DUGGERS and 3 questions

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Yes, and many also pretend that same-sex marriage is as much of a moral failing as child molestation. But don't worry, we know not all Christians are like that.

Cearbhall · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
Yes, but many Christians also condone female ministers, drunkenness, lying and adultery.

I'm not responsible for their actions or opinions, misguided as they can be.

I just love when I see people grouping female priests/ministers with those kinds of actions...

Archaeopteryx · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
Like I said, that's for God to decide.

I obviously find them both repugnant, but I hold no ill-will towards either perpetrator.

Sin is sin. The severity of which is for God to decide.

It's amazing how one can judge others so easily, and yet when asked to evaluate the comparable moral severity of two actions, suddenly one isn't fit to judge. Judge not, for others may ask you to justify your judgment.

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Cearbhall said:
I just love when I see people grouping female priests/ministers with those kinds of actions...

The point is that even Christians can see no wrongdoing in unbiblical things. Some even posted on this same subject yesterday.

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
It's amazing how one can judge others so easily, and yet when asked to evaluate the comparable moral severity of two actions, suddenly one isn't fit to judge. Judge not, for others may ask you to justify your judgment.

It's not the sinner I dislike, it's the sin.

Archaeopteryx · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
It's not the sinner I dislike, it's the sin.

Which is what I've been asking you about, and you've repeatedly evaded, apparently because you are not fit to judge.

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Which is what I've been asking you about, and you've repeatedly evaded, apparently because you are not fit to judge.

My position is clear.

Both are wrong, both are sin.

I'm not sure why it's of importance to you which is worse.

Cearbhall · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
The point is that even Christians can see no wrongdoing in unbiblical things.

True. Not all Christian denominations hold the belief that the Bible is perfect in the way that you mean.

Archaeopteryx · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
My position is clear.

Both are wrong, both are sin.

I'm not sure why it's of importance to you which is worse.

Because, even though they do not even belong in the same category, it should be blatantly obvious which is worse and why.

Albion · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
My position is clear.

Both are wrong, both are sin.

Right. I should think that an average person could understand that. :sigh:

But whether or not it is, goading still is not allowed on CF.

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Cearbhall said:
True. Not all Christian denominations hold the belief that the Bible is perfect in the way that you mean.

Indeed. Apparently women not holding positions of authority in the church is too ambiguous for some people.

Archaeopteryx · May 25, 2015

Albion said:
Right. I should think that an average person could understand that.

But whether or not it is, goading still is not allowed on CF.

I didn't realise it would be considered "goading" to ask someone whether they considered one situation worse than the other. Perhaps you are using a different dictionary?

Tess · May 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Because, even though they do not even belong in the same category, it should be blatantly obvious which is worse and why.

Patrick Bateman said:
Indeed. Apparently women not holding positions of authority in the church is too ambiguous for some people.

You guys are getting off topic.

sdmsanjose said:
By SDMSANJOSE

1 What good does it to berate them more?

2. Do they deserve more punishments?

3. How many of us could raise 19 children and only have one failure in the family?

1 - None, but people are angry
2 - Very hard to make a judgement like that. They'll loose their reputation and a lot of income from this, and they can't be criminally charged, so I don't see how else they could be punished.
3 - They haven't raised 19 children yet, their youngest is still [edit - 5]. I'm sure they'll all sin in their lives.

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Albion said:
Right. I should think that an average person could understand that.

But whether or not it is, goading still is not allowed on CF.

It's not goading. Just tired of repeating myself. I am done with it though.

Cearbhall · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
Indeed. Apparently women not holding positions of authority in the church is too ambiguous for some people.

It's not that they don't understand it, Patrick. As I said, it's just that they favor a different view of the veracity of the Bible.

I, for one, certainly wasn't against having female Catholic priests even when I was Catholic. I remember one time in high school, our theology teacher asked the class what we thought about it out of curiosity, and we all considered it a no-brainer. We just viewed it as one of the many things in the Bible that was considered wrong by ancient cultures but is not necessarily wrong in God's eyes.

Albion · May 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
I didn't realise it would be considered "goading" to ask someone whether they considered one situation worse than the other. Perhaps you are using a different dictionary?

If "asking" were the fact of the matter, there would be no issue. And yes, it's because I DO know the meaning of the word that I understand the difference.

Archaeopteryx · May 25, 2015

Albion said:
If "asking" were the fact of the matter, there would be no issue. And yes, it's because I DO know the meaning of the word that I understand the difference.

Would you care to answer the question then?

High Fidelity · May 25, 2015

Cearbhall said:
It's not that they don't understand it, Patrick. As I said, it's just that they favor a different view of the veracity of the Bible.

I, for one, certainly wasn't against having female Catholic priests even when I was Catholic. I remember one time in high school, our theology teacher asked the class out of curiosity, and we all considered it a no-brainer.

If a person is willing to disregard scripture to suit their own opinion or societal expectation, what's the point?

That's a different conversation though and for a different thread (You're welcome to make one and I'll come there

)

Albion · May 25, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
It's not goading. Just tired of repeating myself. I am done with it though.

I was afraid you'd think I had you in mind. I didn't. You were simply the object of the badgering.

Albion · May 25, 2015

Cearbhall said:
True. Not all Christian denominations hold the belief that the Bible is perfect in the way that you mean.

What does "perfect" have to do with it (other than being a handy strawman, that is)?

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