You don’t have a soul; you are a soul?

[CoreyD]

No "I do not have a soul", I am a soul! I stated now for the third time.
The bible defines a soul as an air breathing creature.

Do you have a soul, yes or no?

Hi.
Perhaps this may help.
Genesis 35:18; 1 kings 17:22;

 

[tonychanyt]

No "I do not have a soul", I am a soul!

Wow, this man does not have a soul!

The bible defines a soul as an air breathing creature.

Did you read my OP? The term had many meanings.

Do you have a soul, yes or no?

Finally, a very good question

As I said in my OP, I have a soul, which means I have my intellect, emotions, etc. Apparently, you don't have a soul.

Further, I am a soul, meaning I am a living, breathing human being.

Are you able to understand these two different usages of the Hebrew word נָ֫פֶשׁ?

If not, there is no point for further interaction.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Wow, this man does not have a soul!

The Bible reveals why the human mind
is so vastly superior to animal brain.

“There is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of
the Almighty giveth them understanding.” Job 32:8

The "spirit in man" is what makes mans brain different
then animals brains, not the air breathing soul.

The human spirit imparts the power of intellect
to the human brain. The human spirit does not
supply human life—the human life/soul is in the
physical blood, oxidized by the breath of life.

Scientists, with few exceptions, will not even
consider the likelihood of a nonphysical part
of the human brain, that gives man understanding.
Science calls it our Conscious.

Consciousness - Wikipedia

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The human mind can know what knowledge comes
to it through the senses of seeing, hearing, smelling,
tasting, feeling.

This human spirit cannot see.
The physical brain sees, through the eyes.
The human spirit in a person cannot hear.
The brain hears through the ears.

This human spirit cannot think. The brain thinks—
although the spirit imparts the power to think,
whereas brute animal brains without such spirit
cannot, except in the most elementary manner.

This spirit in man, not the soul that give man understanding.
This spirit in man, not the soul that records information.
This spirit in man, not the soul that returns to God.

This should not be confused with Gods Holy Spirit

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the
spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

We do not know how, but we know the Spirit in man is
imparted in a child sometime in the mother's womb.

"As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones
do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest
not the works of God who maketh all.

 

[CoreyD]

The Bible reveals why the human mind
is so vastly superior to animal brain.

“There is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of
the Almighty giveth them understanding.” Job 32:8

The "spirit in man" is what makes mans brain different
then animals brains, not the air breathing soul.

The human spirit imparts the power of intellect
to the human brain. The human spirit does not
supply human life—the human life/soul is in the
physical blood, oxidized by the breath of life.

That's a good point.
That's a good scripture you used as well.
What would you say is the spirit in animals and what is its function (Ecclesiastes 3:19)?
How do you define the breath of life?

Scientists, with few exceptions, will not even
consider the likelihood of a nonphysical part
of the human brain, that gives man understanding.
Science calls it our Conscious.

Consciousness - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The human mind can know what knowledge comes
to it through the senses of seeing, hearing, smelling,
tasting, feeling.

This human spirit cannot see.
The physical brain sees, through the eyes.
The human spirit in a person cannot hear.
The brain hears through the ears.

This human spirit cannot think. The brain thinks—
although the spirit imparts the power to think,
whereas brute animal brains without such spirit
cannot, except in the most elementary manner.

This spirit in man, not the soul that give man understanding.
This spirit in man, not the soul that records information.
This spirit in man, not the soul that returns to God.

This should not be confused with Gods Holy Spirit

Nice. You really put a lot deep thought into this, I can tell.

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the
spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

The Spirit in man is inparted in a child sometime in the mothers womb.

"As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones
do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest
not the works of God who maketh all.

I can tell you for sure, @tonychanyt does not misunderstand the spirit, and the difference between the soul and spirit. That guy knows the scriptures, and he's deep into them.

What he's sharing with you, is the different usages of the term 'soul', which isn't limited to one usage.
So, while you are correct that you are a soul, you aren't going to tell anyone you do not have life, emotions, passions, desires, ect., which are other usages in the Bible, of the word soul.

1 John 3:16; Acts 2710; Joshua 2:13
Tony is a good guy, and clearly, he is right, so we can shake hands on this one. You do have life, don't you? Then all of us are souls, and have souls... within the correct context of the word usage.
Would you agree?

 

[Semper-Fi]

How do you define the breath of life?

What is the human soul technically?

The Hebrew word "nephesh" (soul) and the Greek words "phyches" (soul) and "pneumatos" (spirit) and the English word 'soul" are polysemantic. Their lexical meanings overlap. For precision and argumentation, I define spirit as a non-baryonic (invisible) substance that houses a person's conscience...

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[CoreyD]

What is the human soul technically?

The Hebrew word "nephesh" (soul) and the Greek words "phyches" (soul) and "pneumatos" (spirit) and the English word 'soul" are polysemantic. Their lexical meanings overlap. For precision and argumentation, I define spirit as a non-baryonic (invisible) substance that houses a person's conscience...

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Thanks.
So, you see breath of life as the same as spirit. I agree.
Would this be the same spirit in animals, or do you see that as different?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Thanks.
So, you see breath of life as the same as spirit. I agree.

No you miss understood my post: I see the breath of life is in every creature
that breathes air. The breath of life is not connected/same to 'the spirit in man".

Would this be the same spirit in animals, or do you see that as different?

The "spirit in man" that gives man understanding is different then what animals have.
The spirit in animals give the creature instincts, not intelligent thinking.

There is really no difference in shape and construction between animal brain and human
brain. Animals are equipped with brain and instinct. But they do not have power to
understand and choose moral and spiritual values or to develop perfect spiritual character.

 

[CoreyD]

No you miss understood my post:

I'm sorry.

I see the breath of life is in every creature that breathes air.

Yes. I understand that.

The breath of life is not connected/same to 'the spirit in man".

Okay. Can you explain what the breath of life is then, please?

The "spirit in man" that gives man understanding is different then what animals have.
The spirit in animals give the creature instincts, not intelligent thinking.

There is really no difference in shape and construction between animal brain and human
brain. Animals are equipped with brain and instinct. But they do not have power to
understand and choose moral and spiritual values or to develop perfect spiritual character.

I understand this. You have already explained what you understand the spirit of man to be.
Can you explain from the scriptures, because in Job 34:14, 14, we read,
"If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath, All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust."

Is this the same "spirit in man" you refer to?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Okay. Can you explain what the breath of life is then, please?

In the link I posted for you.

What does the bible say about the breath of life?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became [a living air breathing creature].

Genesis 6:17 (KJV)
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth,
to destroy all flesh, wherein is [the breath of life], from under
heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 7:15 (KJV) And they went in unto Noah into the ark,
two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

Genesis 7:22 (KJV) all in whose nostrils was the breath of life,
of all that was in the dry land, died.

Every insect/creature/mammal or human that breathes air
to survive has the breath of life in them, verses above show.

The human/creature's life is in the physical [blood],
that is oxidized by [the breath of life].

When God breathed into Adam, it was more like a doctor clearing the
airway of a child before its first breath. God started his breathing process.
x

Air

The breath of life: every living air breathing creature has the breath of life in it.

 

[CoreyD]

Thanks.

In the link I posted for you.

What does the bible say about the breath of life?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became [a living air breathing creature].

Genesis 6:17 (KJV)
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth,
to destroy all flesh, wherein is [the breath of life], from under
heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 7:15 (KJV) And they went in unto Noah into the ark,
two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

Genesis 7:22 (KJV) all in whose nostrils was the breath of life,
of all that was in the dry land, died.

Every insect/creature/mammal or human that breathes air
to survive has the breath of life in them, verses above show.

The human/creature's life is in the physical [blood],
that is oxidized by [the breath of life].

I agree.

When God breathed into Adam, it was more like a doctor clearing the
airway of a child before its first breath. God started his breathing process.
x

Air

Sorry?
God started the breathing process - x - Air ?
Forgive me, please. I don't understand. What do you mean?
I don't want to misunderstand you. Is that, God started the breathing process by air?
The breath of life is more than air, as I'm sure you know, so my question is, Can you explain what the breath of life is?

I also wanted to know if the spirit mentioned at Job 34:14, 15 is the same "spirit in man" you refer to.
I hope you don't mind me asking these questions.

The breath of life: every living air breathing creature has the breath of life in it.

I agree. Without it, they would stop breathing, and die. What is it?
That's what I would like to hear from you.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Sorry?
God started the breathing process - x - Air ?
Forgive me, please. I don't understand. What do you mean?
I don't want to misunderstand you. Is that, God started the breathing process by air?

Plain [Air] we breath, that God created out of water, for us to breath.

God blew fresh clean air into Adams nostrils, filling His lungs with air.
That started His lungs and heart to start working for the first time.

I like the bible to let the bible interpret itself.
We learn in gen. every air breathing creature has the breath of life.
This breath of life[air we breath] is no different in man or animal,
once the breath of life leaves us we die. What more is there to it?.

The bible only records God breathing into the first man Adam ,
which was the son of God, to start the breathing process.

Once Adam started breathing, He became an air breathing creature.
God did not blow a soul into Adams lungs; he became a soul.
Plain English God started the breathing process in Adam.

The breath of life is more than air, as I'm sure you know, so my question is, Can you explain what the breath of life is?

Where in the bible does it say that The breath of life
is more than just God given air for us to breath and survive?

Let's not confuse the breath of life with being breathed on
and receiving the gift of Gods Holy Spirit.

I also wanted to know if the spirit mentioned at Job 34:14, 15 is the same "spirit in man" you refer to.
I hope you don't mind me asking these questions.

I have not studied that verse yet, but it could referee to
the spirit in man yes.

I agree. Without it, they would stop breathing, and die. What is it?
That's what I would like to hear from you.

You breath air you live, when cut off from air you die.
[Plain air] designed and given to us by God to breath.

They tried to build the tower of babble so they could keep breathing air.

 

[CoreyD]

Plain [Air] we breath, that God created out of water, for us to breath.

God blew fresh clean air into Adams nostrils, filling His lungs with air.
That started His lungs and heart to start working for the first time.

I like the bible to let the bible interpret itself.
We learn in gen. every air breathing creature has the breath of life.
This breath of life[air we breath] is no different in man or animal,
once the breath of life leaves us we die. What more is there to it?.

Did the Bible say the breath of life is the air we breath? Can you show me that please.

The bible only records God breathing into the first man Adam ,
which was the son of God, to start the breathing process.

He breathed the breath of life, we agree.
It does not say God breathed air. Do we agree?

Have you ever known someone to stop breathing?
Do you think the process of breathing is sustained by the process of breathing?

Once Adam started breathing, He became an air breathing creature.
God did not blow a soul into Adams lungs; he became a soul.
Plain English God started the breathing process in Adam.

Have you ever heard anyone say that God breathed a soul into Adam?

Where in the bible does it say that The breath of life
is more than just God given air for us to breath and survive?

There are a number of scriptures.
Job 34:14, 15
Psalm 104:29
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Isaiah 42:5
Acts 17:25

Let's not confuse the breath of life with being breathed on
and receiving the gift of Gods Holy Spirit.

We would not want to do that.

I have not studied that verse yet, but it could referee to
the spirit in man yes.

Thanks for your honesty.
Would now be a good time for you to study it. I really would be interested in what you find.
I have the time, so don't worry about rushing... so long as you don't take a year.

You breath air you live, when cut off from air you die.
[Plain air] designed and given to us by God to breath.

Unless the process of breathing is started and sustained, there is no way someone can breath air and live.
Would you like to try it as a scientific experiment.
Take all the air out of your cell, and let someone breath air into your nostrils.
Would you like to know the results?

They tried to build the tower of babble so they could keep breathing air.

Never heard that before. where did you read it, and why do you believe it?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Did the Bible say the breath of life is the air we breath? Can you show me that please.

Hmmm all creatures with the breath of life died by flood.
I gave the bibles definition of the breath of life already.

Here is the English definition of breath, that is required for life to live:
" the air that goes into and out of your lungs."

The Breath of Life: Air, Earth's Most Crucial Resource

Air is a mixture of several gases, water vapor, and some pollutants. It is made up of atoms and molecules. The gas molecules help the air to move.

byjus.com

Can you show where the breath of life is a soul?

He breathed the breath of life, we agree.
It does not say God breathed air. Do we agree?

I know it does not say God blew a soul into Adams nostrils/lungs.

Nostrils: They enable the entry and exit of air
and other gasses through the nasal cavities.

Have you ever known someone to stop breathing?

I have known several people that have stopped breathing,
but have never seen someone die in person. Have you?

Do you think the process of breathing is sustained by the process of breathing?

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

People have died, the paramedics blow fresh air
into the mouth or nostrils, then massage the heart
area to get oxygen rich blood to flow where needed.
With any luck, the heart starts pumping before damage is done.

Doctors clear the airway of a newborn baby,
then give them fresh oxygen/air in nose and mouth.
In the past, some give the child a pat on the behind
to help start a child that is not breathing yet.

The breath of life, but the life is in the blood.
If a creature losses air from a flood,
or loses to much blood, they die.

Have you ever heard anyone say that God breathed a soul into Adam?

God did not blow a soul into Adams lungs;
he became a soul/creature.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

After God formed man of the dust of the ground
God breathed The breath of life into Adam.
After that [once he had this breath of air] Adam [became]
a living breathing creature /soul.

It does not say God blew a soul into Adam,
he [became] a living [air breathing] creature/soul.
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"Nephesh (נֶ֫פֶשׁ‎ nép̄eš) is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible....

..." In Genesis 2:7, the text is not that Adam was given
a nephesh but that Adam "became a living nephesh."

"There is no term in English corresponding to nephesh"
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Semper-Fi said:
Where in the bible does it say that The breath of life
is more than just God given air for us to breath and survive?

There are a number of scriptures.

Job 34:14, 15
Psalm 104:29
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Isaiah 42:5
Acts 17:25

Job 34:14, 15

14 If He should set His heart on it,
If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,
15 All flesh would perish together,

His Spirit and His breath, no soul mentioned here.

Psalm 104:29
29 You hide Your face, they are troubled;
You take away their breath, they die and return to their dust.

God took away their breath by drowning them in a flood, they died.
God gives us air to breath, He can also take away the breath/air we breath.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

The "the spirit in man" not a soul here returns to God.
Nothing in verse about the breath of life or soul.

Isaiah 42:5
Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,

God created the atmosphere/air for us creatures to breath.

That face of the deep

Tehom Genesis 1:2 Darkness over the face of the deep So much debate over flat Earth, Sabbath, six day creation, young and old Earth. I think we pass right over an awesome concept here. The Deep. Waters? Yes. But more, ourselves, our existence, our lives and the mystery of it all. The...

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"Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:

God Gives Breath to people, [And] a spirit to man.
This does not say the spirit in man was administered by breath.
The spirit in man is given to child in the womb.

Acts 17:25
25 ...He gives to all life, breath, and all things.

Yes He created our bodies and gives us breath,
air to breath by creating our earth's atmosphere.

None of those verses you gave say The breath of life is more than
just God given precious air for us to breath and survive on to live.

We would not want to do that.

Yes that would not be good.

Thanks for your honesty.
Would now be a good time for you to study it.
I really would be interested in what you find.

I did not find anything that helps in you case about air.
see above

Would you like to try it as a scientific experiment.

No thanks.

Semper-Fi said:They tried to build the tower of Bable
so they could keep breathing air.

Never heard that before. where did you read it, and why do you believe it?

Well the story goes they tried to build a structure so tall
that the waters from another flood would not drown them,
like there forfathers who had drowned in a flood before them.

drowned
to (cause to) die by being unable to breathe underwater:

 

[TahitiRun]

The soul is closely identified with the man, even equating to him.

The difficulty with summarizing the term soul as being "closely identified" and "even equating" with the term "man" is that it presupposes the Platonic/Hellenistic viewpoint. At least that's the idea I'm left with.

The summary seems to suggest that man "has" a separate entity within himself called "soul", rather than man, the whole man "being" or "is" soul. And these two different ideas are really not compatible and yield vastly different interpretations of the bible.

All types of mischief comes about when asserting man "has" a soul, particularly when asserting man has an "immortal soul".

This becomes even more pronounced through the various bible translations of the Hebrew word נפשׁ "Nephesh" and it's corresponding Greek word ψυχή "psuchē". Most translators, and the translations they produce, start with the underlying Greek/Hellenistic premise that man "has" a soul. And, it becomes next to impossible to think differently without holding the bible translation with one hand and a lexicon concordance with the other.

Anyway, it's an interesting discussion.

 

[Semper-Fi]

As I said in my OP, I have a soul, which means I have my intellect,
emotions, etc. Apparently, you don't have a soul.

Your body/soul just like animals die and returns to dust.
Your intellect comes from The "spirit in man" - Job 32:8

You don’t have a soul; you are a soul?

No "I do not have a soul", I am a soul! I stated now for the third time. The bible defines a soul as an air breathing creature. Do you have a soul, yes or no? Hi. Perhaps this may help. Genesis 35:18; 1 kings 17:22;

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I think you are equating a soul here with the other part of
the equation. Our being made in Gods image and likeness.

God created human beings to be like Himself.
One part of this is our emotions that God gave us.
Bible shows God displays a wide range of emotions.

God has joy: Psalm 16:11; Matthew 25:21; Luke 15:10.
God gets angry and jealous: Deuteronomy 4:24; 32:19-22;
Psalm 7:11; Jeremiah 30:24; Nahum 1:2, 6.
God loves: Romans 8:38-39; 1 John 3:1; 4:8-9, 16.
God hates: Psalm 5:5-6; 11:5; 45:7.
God experiences grief and sorrow? Genesis 6:6;
Psalm 78:40; Isaiah 53:3; John 11:35; Hebrews 3:10.
God feels compassion: Matthew 9:35-36.

God experiences many states of mind that we associate
with our deep emotions—both positive and negative.
Certain things delight God, and others things upset God.
Certain things delight us, and other things upset us.

Physiological changes in your body when you get emotional
(e.g. tears, stomach churning, red face), like when stressed:

Decoding Your Fight or Flight Stress Response

Read what is involved with your body's stress response, and why it is triggered. Learn why some people experience stress when others don't.

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God does not undergo these changes because Gods is com-
posed of spirit. But of course, He does think and feel deeply.

Now Emotions is a two-edged sword. Negative emotional
pressure comes from Satan, who is called god of this age.
Now Satan is the “prince of the power of the air”. He tries to
broadcast thoughts to influence you through your emotions.

His attitudes of self-centeredness, of vanity, lust and greed,
of jealousy and envy, of competition, strife and violence/hate,
resentment/bitterness, rebellion/resentment against authority.
With these attitudes he conned one 3rd of the Angeles to join him.

Satan lied, then worked on Eve's emotions. He appealed to her
vanity, her self-importance/independence, her rights/freedoms.
The fruit looked good to Eve—it seemed okay—she desired
it even though God had specifically told her not to eat it.

Adam and Eve acted upon their emotional desires.
Like Adam and Eve, we feel, therefore we act.
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"Emotions are coded into our DNA and are thought to have
developed as a way to help us respond quickly to different
threats, much like our ‘fight or flight’ response.

What are Negative Emotions and How to Control Them?

Negative emotions - what causes them, their effects, and how to use them.

positivepsychology.com

Can Embracing Emotional Negativity Make You Happier?

Negative emotions are uncomfortable to deal with, but they have a purpose and should be accepted, sometimes even embraced. Here's what research says.

www.verywellmind.com

Our Emotions are coded into our DNA because God made us
that way, something God did not give to animals. Genesis 1:25

We can channel our emotions to respond the way God does, to
delight in the same things God delights in, and to get upset over
the same things that upset Him. If we do this we actually learn
to think like God does. This is the essence of emotional maturity.

We should Consider the example of Cain in Genesis

Cain was nurturing wrong spiritual attitudes toward his brother.
Cain was furious and downcast, he looked sad and depressed.
Moffatt translates verse 7 “If your heart is honest, you would
surely look bright? If you are sullen, sin is lying in wait for you,
eager to be at you—yet you ought to master it.”

Cain’s attitude, caused by lack of emotional control, was directly
leading to sin. If he controlled his emotions he not have killed.

The person who can control his anger Proverbs 14:29; 15:18.
Person who cannot control his anger Ecc. 7:9; Proverbs 14:17.

"Make no friendship with an angry man; And with a furious man thou
shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, And get a snare to thy soul.

19Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift
to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: for the wrath of man
worketh not the righteousness of God.

God in Romans 13:10, Joel 2:13, Nahum 1:3, Psalm 30:4-5.

"and have put on the new man , which is renewed in knowledge
after the image of him that created him: Colossians 3:10 (KJV)

Another part of the equations is being made in Gods likeness.
Hopefully it does not take over a day like this post took me

 

[Joseph G]

What is the biblical difference between soul and spirit?

 

[Grip Docility]

King James Bible, Genesis 2:


Strong's Hebrew: 5315. נָ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) — 754 Occurrences

It was a frequent word with many meanings. Brown-Driver-Briggs:

1. = that which breathes, the breathing substance or being
2. The נפשׁ becomes a living being: by God's breathing
3. a. a living being whose life resides in the blood
4. The נפשׁ as the essential of man stands for the man himself:
5. seat of the appetites
6. seat of emotions and passions
7. נפשׁ is used occasionally for mental acts

The soul is closely identified with the man, even equating to him.

ESV, Exodus 31:


Strong's Hebrew: 5315. נָ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) — 754 Occurrences

It was a common word with many senses.

ESV, Job 30:


Job's inner soul is poured out.

ESV, Deuteronomy 12:


An animal has blood. The blood is the H5312-soul.

Matthew 16:


The Hebrew word for "soul" has multiple senses, as do the Greek and English words. The notion of the soul has multiple senses. In some sense, we are souls; in some sense, we have souls.

See also The SOUL that sins shall die

Genesis 1:2 Ruach Elohim
Genesis 6:17 Ruach (Breath of Life)

G4151 - pneuma - Strong's Greek Lexicon​

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g4151/kjv/tr/0-1/
Interesting enough, we see God form from the lifeless dust of the earth, a man, in Genesis 2:7.

Several interesting Hebrew words come to play in this small portion of scripture, that crescendo, in a sense, at Genesis 2:7.

5315. nephesh (Feminine, Soul, Living Being)
5397. neshamah (Feminine, Breath) - From nasham; a puff, i.e. Wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. Or (concretely) an animal -- blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
5301. naphach

Brown-Driver-Briggs
[נָפַח] verb breathe, blow (כור נפוח Ecclus 43:4 a furnace blown upon (heated hot); Late Hebrew נָפַח id., ᵑ7 נְפַח, Syriac

; Assyrian napâ—u, inflame, nappa—u, smith DlHWB 474; Arabic (

and)

blow; Ethiopic

or

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I find these words interesting, because, within them, the equation for life is revealed. What I find most interesting is that God intimately breaths His very "Breath" into "lifeless dust"...... which needed some form of liquid to become (clay)... which I personally believe is echoed here (John 9:6)

All this to say, (dead substance created by God} + {Breath and possible salivation of God) = (Human Soul, Human Being, Living spiritual Being)

 

[tonychanyt]

What is the biblical difference between soul and spirit?

Check out What is the human soul technically?

 

[CoreyD]

Hmmm all creatures with the breath of life died by flood.
I gave the bibles definition of the breath of life already.

Here is the English definition of breath, that is required for life to live:
" the air that goes into and out of your lungs."

The Breath of Life: Air, Earth's Most Crucial Resource

Air is a mixture of several gases, water vapor, and some pollutants. It is made up of atoms and molecules. The gas molecules help the air to move.

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I don't think you are saying the Bible is byjus.com.
So, I think you know that the Bible does not say the breath of life is air.
So, then, we agree the Bible does not say God breathed air.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Can you show where the breath of life is a soul?

I would not be able to do that, because i don't believe that, and never said it.
It might be best to ask the person you heard it from.
Whom did you hear say that?
That's what I was asking earlier.

I know it does not say God blew a soul into Adams nostrils/lungs.

Thank God.

Nostrils: They enable the entry and exit of air
and other gasses through the nasal cavities.

I have known several people that have stopped breathing,
but have never seen someone die in person. Have you?

I haven't seen anyone die in person. I'm glad I wasn't there when someone close to me died.
It was hurtful enough seeing them in a bad state.

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

Don't worry about it. I was actually thinking we had strayed from the topic.
So, I'm glad to see that someone took it back on track.
I was going to ask... So since you have life, and the word soul is defined as life in the Bible. Do you have a soul?

People have died, the paramedics blow fresh air
into the mouth or nostrils, then massage the heart
area to get oxygen rich blood to flow where needed.
With any luck, the heart starts pumping before damage is done.

Doctors clear the airway of a newborn baby,
then give them fresh oxygen/air in nose and mouth.
In the past, some give the child a pat on the behind
to help start a child that is not breathing yet.

The oxygen is already in their cells Semper.
Each person needs to have the air coming into their system sustained.
If not, the air is useless.

That's why I asked if you believe the process of breathing is sustained by the process of breathing.
Perhaps you would more believe a scientist than me, and I can understand that.

How long can the brain survive without oxygen?

When the brain's supply of oxygen is reduced or eliminated, damage can set in very quickly.

www.livescience.com

The human brain is an immensely complex and fragile organ that depends on a constant supply of oxygenated blood. Without oxygen, the brain's cells, including the signal-sending neurons that enable us to think and feel, begin to die.​

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But exactly how long can the brain go without oxygen?​

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The answer to this question is not completely clear-cut, Dr. Danny Gonzalez, a vascular neurologist and assistant professor at Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona, told Live Science by email.​

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The human brain requires more energy than any other organ in the body. Despite accounting for only 2% of the average adult's body weight, it uses about 20% of the oxygenated, fuel-filled blood pumped out by the heart, according to a 2021 review published in the journal Intensive Care Medicine.​

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Our brain needs this huge oxygen supply to maintain its delicate balance of electrolytes, minerals that carry an electric charge and are key for conducting electrical impulses in the nervous system.​

Unless there is a way for the breathing process to get started, and continue, you're looking at a lifeless body.
According to the Bible, if God takes away their breath / spirit, they expire.
If he gives the spirit, they live.
The breath of life is not just air, but life sustaining spirit.

If I recall correctly, you quoted Genesis 6:17 earlier.
Here is the Hebrew text:
ואני הנני מביא את־המבול מים על־הארץ לשחת כל־בשר אשר־בו רוח חיים מתחת השמים כל אשר־בארץ יגוע׃

You would notice the Hebrew word רוּחַ - ruach.
This is the same Hebrew word used in some of those verses I selected.

The breath of life, but the life is in the blood.
If a creature losses air from a flood,
or loses to much blood, they die.

God did not blow a soul into Adams lungs;
he became a soul/creature.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

I'm glad we agree on that.

After God formed man of the dust of the ground
God breathed The breath of life into Adam.
After that [once he had this breath of air] Adam [became]
a living breathing creature /soul.

Why did you change life to air?
It reads breath of life. Not breath of air. Does it not.
If you believe the breath of life is air, it would be more accurate for you to say, "
After that [once he had this [air] Adam [became] a living breathing creature /soul."

However, in agreement with the other texts, this breath of life is really spirit (ruach).
So, once Adam had this spirit, Adam became a living breathing creature - soul.
Is that not correct?

It does not say God blew a soul into Adam,
he [became] a living [air breathing] creature/soul.
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"Nephesh (נֶ֫פֶשׁ‎ nép̄eš) is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible....

..." In Genesis 2:7, the text is not that Adam was given
a nephesh but that Adam "became a living nephesh."

I hope you did not meet someone who disagreed with this. Did you?

"There is no term in English corresponding to nephesh"
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Semper-Fi said:
Where in the bible does it say that The breath of life
is more than just God given air for us to breath and survive?

Job 34:14, 15

14 If He should set His heart on it,
If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,
15 All flesh would perish together,

His Spirit and His breath, no soul mentioned here.

That's good you noticed that.
However, remember that your question was not, "Where in the Bible does it say the breath of life is the soul?". Otherwise, I would have answered, "Nowhere".
Your question was "Where in the bible does it say that The breath of life is more than just God given air for us to breath and survive?"

The answer is given there, in combination with the other texts

Psalm 104:29
29 You hide Your face, they are troubled;
You take away their breath, they die and return to their dust.

God took away their breath by drowning them in a flood, they died.
God gives us air to breath, He can also take away the breath/air we breath.

Could you please tell me what's the Hebrew word, translated 'breath'?
Is this the same Hebrew word used at Genesis 2:7?
Can you explain to me why, please?

Please note Psalm 104:30
New Living Translation
When you give them your breath, life is created, and you renew the face of the earth.

English Standard Version
When you send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.

Berean Standard Bible
When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth.

Your thoughts on this text, please. Thanks.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

The "the spirit in man" not a soul here returns to God.
Nothing in verse about the breath of life or soul.

You said you never did study the spirit in man and animals, in Ecclesiastes 3:14, 15, so I don't expect you to know what the spirit in Ecclesiastes 12:7 is.
However, if you do think you know, please explain, and please note that the spirit in Ecclesiastes 12:7, is the same as that in Ecclesiastes 3:14, 15.

Isaiah 42:5
Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,

God created the atmosphere/air for us creatures to breath.

That face of the deep

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"Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:

God Gives Breath to people, [And] a spirit to man.
This does not say the spirit in man was administered by breath.
The spirit in man is given to child in the womb.

Can you please show me where the Bible says the spirit in man is given to child in the womb.

Acts 17:25
25 ...He gives to all life, breath, and all things.

Yes He created our bodies and gives us breath,
air to breath by creating our earth's atmosphere.

None of those verses you gave say The breath of life is more than
just God given precious air for us to breath and survive on to live.

Yes, we need air to breath, and thanks to our loving father, he made the biogeochemical cycles.
To get man off to benefiting from that cycle, more was needed than filling Adam's lungs with air.
The Bible tells us "You take away their breath, they die and return to their dust. When you send forth your Spirit, they are created..." Psalm 104:29, 30

Yes that would not be good.

I did not find anything that helps in you case about air.
see above

I don't have a case. What case is that though, because you keep saying God did not breath a soul into Adam, and I haven't said this. So what case, may i ask, are you contending with?

No thanks.

That's fine.

Semper-Fi said:They tried to build the tower of Bable
so they could keep breathing air.

Well the story goes they tried to build a structure so tall
that the waters from another flood would not drown them,
like there forfathers who had drowned in a flood before them.

drowned
to (cause to) die by being unable to breathe underwater:

Story? Which book? If you mean theories, I understand.
I was just wondering why you believe these stories, and repeat them.
It sounds as though you really believe them to be factual.

 

[Grip Docility]

King James Bible, Genesis 2:


Strong's Hebrew: 5315. נָ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) — 754 Occurrences

It was a frequent word with many meanings. Brown-Driver-Briggs:

1. = that which breathes, the breathing substance or being
2. The נפשׁ becomes a living being: by God's breathing
3. a. a living being whose life resides in the blood
4. The נפשׁ as the essential of man stands for the man himself:
5. seat of the appetites
6. seat of emotions and passions
7. נפשׁ is used occasionally for mental acts

The soul is closely identified with the man, even equating to him.

ESV, Exodus 31:


Strong's Hebrew: 5315. נָ֫פֶשׁ (nephesh) — 754 Occurrences

It was a common word with many senses.

ESV, Job 30:


Job's inner soul is poured out.

ESV, Deuteronomy 12:


An animal has blood. The blood is the H5312-soul.

Matthew 16:


The Hebrew word for "soul" has multiple senses, as do the Greek and English words. The notion of the soul has multiple senses. In some sense, we are souls; in some sense, we have souls.

See also The SOUL that sins shall die

The soul is eternal, that is bestowed by God. Only God’s Essence is Infinite.

Satan can kill the Flesh, but only YHWH can uncreate or destroy what YHWH, alone created.

I am a soul, currently contained within my living body. When this filthy garment fails, when my “tent” collapses… my soul will continue to exist in either Sheol or Heaven… “During the time of the gentiles”…

I’m placing all of my eggs in the Propitiation of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, to assert that my soul will go to Heaven, by the Grace of God, which I have utter faith in.