Why Trump should win his NY hush money trial

[Pommer]

yes, I am pretty shocked anyone would instantly Assume a Never Trumper would be incapable of letting Trump getting away with what everyone else gets away with.

Lots of Never Trumpers understand the concept that people should be treated equally under the law

How many people have had their lawyers apply for a home-equity loan to pay for $130,000 worth of silence and then cover up the pay-back (by the client) as a series of invoices so that books will say “legal expenses” and not “re-pay mouthpiece for fronting the hush money” (which would have been an illegal campaign contribution)?

 

[perplexed]

How many people have had their lawyers apply for a home-equity loan to pay for $130,000 worth of silence and then cover up the pay-back (by the client) as a series of invoices so that books will say “legal expenses” and not “re-pay mouthpiece for fronting the hush money” (which would have been an illegal campaign contribution)?

John Edwards
Following his 2008 presidential campaign, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury on June 3, 2011, on six felony charges of violating multiple federal campaign contribution laws to cover up an extramarital affair to which he eventually admitted. He was found not guilty on one count, and the judge declared a mistrial on the remaining five charges, as the jury was unable to come to an agreement.[2] The Justice Department dropped the remaining charges and did not attempt to retry Edwards

 

[Pommer]

John Edwards
Following his 2008 presidential campaign, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury on June 3, 2011, on six felony charges of violating multiple federal campaign contribution laws to cover up an extramarital affair to which he eventually admitted. He was found not guilty on one count, and the judge declared a mistrial on the remaining five charges, as the jury was unable to come to an agreement.[2] The Justice Department dropped the remaining charges and did not attempt to retry Edwards

John Edwards had a trial…now Donald Trump has a trial.
Gee, the system works!

 

[BPPLEE]

What might be the basis for the appeal?

They took a misdemeanor that the statute of limitations had expired and upgraded to a felony because of a campaign finance violation that the SEC said was not a violation

 

[BPPLEE]

How many people have had their lawyers apply for a home-equity loan to pay for $130,000 worth of silence and then cover up the pay-back (by the client) as a series of invoices so that books will say “legal expenses” and not “re-pay mouthpiece for fronting the hush money” (which would have been an illegal campaign contribution)?

He paid the money to his lawyer. That sounds like a legal expense.
If he would have listed it as a campaign contribution like they are saying he should have then he would have been in trouble

 

[Arcangl86]

He paid the money to his lawyer. That sounds like a legal expense.

Yes. But he also claimed that the payment was according to a retainer agreement. Said retainer agreement didn't exist.

If he would have listed it as a campaign contribution like they are saying he should have then he would have been in trouble

Why would have been in trouble?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes. But he also claimed that the payment was according to a retainer agreement. Said retainer agreement didn't exist.

Why would have been in trouble?

Because it’s not a campaign contribution. It’s a personal matter

 

[Hans Blaster]

He paid the money to his lawyer. That sounds like a legal expense.
If he would have listed it as a campaign contribution like they are saying he should have then he would have been in trouble

For expenditures that were not legal expenses -- a falsification of documents.

 

[Arcangl86]

Because it’s not a campaign contribution. It’s a personal matter

Her silence was something of financial value to the campaign.

 

[BPPLEE]

For expenditures that were not legal expenses -- a falsification of documents.

Which is a misdemeanor for which the statute of limitations had expired.

 

[Arcangl86]

Which is a misdemeanor for which the statute of limitations had expired.

Unless there was intent int that fraud to conceal another crime, in which case it's now a felony that has a 5 yeah SoL. Which is exactly what Bragg is alleging.

 

[wing2000]

Because it’s not a campaign contribution. It’s a personal matter

Is it a personal matter?
Obviously Trump, was concerned enough about Stormy going to the voting public that he allegedly had her paid to keep quiet. IMO, if the prosecutors can prove that was indeed the intent, that makes it a campaign matter.

 

[BPPLEE]

Unless there was intent int that fraud to conceal another crime, in which case it's now a felony that has a 5 yeah SoL. Which is exactly what Bragg is alleging.

The SEC declined to prosecute the felony charge. Bragg has gerrymandered a misdemeanor into a felony when his SOP for everyone else is to reduce felonies to misdemeanors

 

[rambot]

He paid the money to his lawyer. That sounds like a legal expense.

Sorry? Are you referring to the lawyer's salary? Because I'm pretty sure he gave the money to the lawyer to dispense with as his representative to other parties.

If he would have listed it as a campaign contribution like they are saying he should have then he would have been in trouble

Why?

 

[hislegacy]

How many people have had their lawyers apply for a home-equity loan to pay for $130,000 worth of silence and then cover up the pay-back (by the client) as a series of invoices so that books will say “legal expenses” and not “re-pay mouthpiece for fronting the hush money” (which would have been an illegal campaign contribution)?

The inmate has previously testified that he took out the loan without Trump's knowledge - then invoiced him to get his money back -

History is so very hard to avoid: From 2018

He also sought to dismiss allegations that his use of a Trump Organization email address to arrange the payment to Daniels signaled that Trump was aware of the transaction.​

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"I sent emails from the Trump Org email address to my family, friends as well as Trump business emails," he told the network. "I basically used it for everything."​

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In a statement earlier this year, Cohen said that neither the Trump campaign nor the Trump Organization was party to the agreement to pay off Daniels or reimbursed him for the payment.​

 

[hislegacy]

Oh.... Look here:

On Tuesday, Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, filed a lawsuit against Trump saying a "hush" agreement she signed with Cohen was invalid because Trump never signed it.​

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[wing2000]

The inmate has previously testified that he took out the loan without Trump's knowledge - then invoiced him to get his money back -

History is so very hard to avoid: From 2018

He also sought to dismiss allegations that his use of a Trump Organization email address to arrange the payment to Daniels signaled that Trump was aware of the transaction.​

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"I sent emails from the Trump Org email address to my family, friends as well as Trump business emails," he told the network. "I basically used it for everything."​

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In a statement earlier this year, Cohen said that neither the Trump campaign nor the Trump Organization was party to the agreement to pay off Daniels or reimbursed him for the payment.​

The referenced "inmate" was 100% loyal to one Donald Trump at the time. I would expect nothing less from Trump's lawyer.

 

[Pommer]

Oh.... Look here:

On Tuesday, Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, filed a lawsuit against Trump saying a "hush" agreement she signed with Cohen was invalid because Trump never signed it.​

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Wow, what a scoop, too bad the case is about fudging the paperwork for repayments (to Cohen) to skirt campaign finance rules.

 

[hislegacy]

The referenced "inmate" was 100% loyal to one Donald Trump at the time. I would expect nothing less from Trump's lawyer.

Right - he made the deal - executed it - all without Trumps approval or knowledge.

Wow, what a scoop, too bad the case is about fudging the paperwork for repayments (to Cohen) to skirt campaign finance rules.

Repayments consisting of invoices the attorney sent and Trump paid? For the Actions Trump had no knowledge of?

Now that is a double scoop!

 

[Arcangl86]

The SEC declined to prosecute the felony charge.

That must come as a great shock to Michael Cohen considering he pled guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations.