Why do Atheist hate God?

[mikenet2006]

No, my arguments make themselves valid.

But thanks for this. Ad hominems directed at me let me know I'm winning!

That's really what you got out of that? For starters, this shouldn't be about winning or losing, this is a share of thoughts more than anything, secondly the context of that was that I wanted to get to other replies, apart from what you think about me, and what you think of what I say to others. A great deal of what you've had to say is Ad Hominem in the extreme, and you despise hypocrisy? I don't feel this should be a contest, but your welcome to give your thoughts on more non-personal material if getting away from negative Ad Hominem is what you actually want. I at least tried to do that with you by having us comment on good things about those with whom we disagree.

 

[mikenet2006]

Oh dear.

That was 87 years, it was me, and that wasn't a claim....it was a refutation of a claim!



Please show how that is an example of "many atheists hating Christians". If he exists, God is a big boy and can look after himself if someone hates him. What does that merchandise have to do with "atheists hating Christians"?



There is no compulsion for me to do anything, BECAUSE I AM NOT MAKING A CLAIM - YOU FOLK ARE!



Please give examples of "atheists hating Christians", because I don't see any yet.



I am not required to show anything, BECAUSE I AM NOT MAKING THE CLAIM, YOU ARE!



Please show evidence of "atheists hating Christians".

You can't, can you?



"Atheists hating Christians"?

Fair enough 87 years, I said paraphrasing for a reason, do you know what that means? Point is that it's a personal claim in which you can't substantiate. Call it what you want, but if you ask me you are making claims. Doesn't matter that it's a counter argument when I already gave ample substantiation for my claims, now you have to pull your own weight. I'll just keep referencing post #214 where I show how many sources I've given if your argument remains no substantiation. Your classifying substation that you disagree with, as no substantiation is what you're doing.

I'm not understanding exactly how you follow a source that says this...

"There are many reasons why I hate Christianity--and yes, I do literally hate Christianity."

With a comment like this....

"Please give examples of "atheists hating Christians", because I don't see any yet."

My claim is simple, there are Atheist who hate believers, and hate Religion. In a few cases God, but usually believers and Religion. Along with all the other sources I've given, I've done my part.

 

[mikenet2006]

I shouldn't be too hard on you SteveB28, you have guts to be coming in here and still sharing your thoughts at 87 years old. That's awesome man, seriously. I don't agree with a word you said, but that's impressive.

 

[SteveB28]

Fair enough 87 years, I said paraphrasing for a reason, do you know what that means? Point is that it's a personal claim in which you can't substantiate. Call it what you want, but if you ask me you are making claims. Doesn't matter that it's a counter argument when I already gave ample substantiation for my claims, now you have to pull your own weight. I'll just keep referencing post #214 where I show how many sources I've given if your argument remains no substantiation. Your classifying substation that you disagree with, as no substantiation is what you're doing.

I'm not understanding exactly how you follow a source that says this...

"There are many reasons why I hate Christianity--and yes, I do literally hate Christianity."

With a comment like this....

"Please give examples of "atheists hating Christians", because I don't see any yet."

My claim is simple, there are Atheist who hate believers, and hate Religion. In a few cases God, but usually believers and Religion. Along with all the other sources I've given, I've done my part.

Can you not see the difference between ONE person claiming to hate a RELIGION and "many atheists hating CHRISTIANS"? To hate a religion is to hate an idea - it says nothing about one's feelings about the PEOPLE who may agree with that idea. It's a little like you Christians claiming that you 'love the sinner, but hate the sin'.

So please, for the seventh time, present your evidence for "MANY atheists hating CHRISTIANS".

 

[SteveB28]

I shouldn't be too hard on you SteveB28, you have guts to be coming in here and still sharing your thoughts at 87 years old. That's awesome man, seriously. I don't agree with a word you said, but that's impressive.

Be as hard as you think you can be. My age is no barrier. My words will speak for themself.

 

[mikenet2006]

Can you not see the difference between ONE person claiming to hate a RELIGION and "many atheists hating CHRISTIANS"? To hate a religion is to hate an idea - it says nothing about one's feelings about the PEOPLE who may agree with that idea. It's a little like you Christians claiming that you 'love the sinner, but hate the sin'.

So please, for the seventh time, present your evidence for "MANY atheists hating CHRISTIANS".

For now it's go to post #214. I need to get some more sleep, I'll probably give more substantation (as always). I dont see it making a difference but I'll do it for a little bit longer. Those links, along with the other members testimonies have given good examples (plural). The links lay it out in a very direct way if you need conformation on multiple hateful comments and those who flat out say they hate. I encouradge you to do a little catching up on prior generations, it's not like it used to be, people can be very mean and cold hearted. I wish it wasn't that way but what can we do other than try to do better than that, ya know? Hate is not unique to Atheism but this thread is about the Atheist end of it, and many of them do hate. It may not quite be a majority but I see it a great deal. It ranges from little snarky picks, to downright rude, hutrful, and hateful.

 

[quatona]

Sorry, but I´m starting to get the impression that the feeling that they are being hated means - for whatever reason - great comfort to some Christians.

 

[Moral Orel]

Can you not see the difference between ONE person claiming to hate a RELIGION and "many atheists hating CHRISTIANS"? To hate a religion is to hate an idea - it says nothing about one's feelings about the PEOPLE who may agree with that idea. It's a little like you Christians claiming that you 'love the sinner, but hate the sin'.

Exactly, and he doesn't see the difference. Heck, he doesn't see the difference between "snark" and "hate", as that's most of what is contained in his extensive list of sources. I think people are dumb to believe in astrology, but even though I might state something really rude, such as calling them "dumb", I don't hate them for it.

I think, as others have pointed out, adding a personal element to our disbelief makes some theists feel their beliefs are more valid. It also helps to serve an "us vs them" mentality by being able to group us together more than just sharing one simple disbelief.

 

[bhsmte]

Exactly, and he doesn't see the difference. Heck, he doesn't see the difference between "snark" and "hate", as that's most of what is contained in his extensive list of sources. I think people are dumb to believe in astrology, but even though I might state something really rude, such as calling them "dumb", I don't hate them for it.

I think, as others have pointed out, adding a personal element to our disbelief makes some theists feel their beliefs are more valid. It also helps to serve an "us vs them" mentality by being able to group us together more than just sharing one simple disbelief.

It is really quite simple. Some believers, need to paint those who disagree with them with a broad brush; they hate God, they are being led by evil, etc. etc.

Psychologically, if they can convince themselves those who disagree have these negative qualities, it helps them to feel more comfy cozy with their own beliefs.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Many atheists really don't reject God so much as the image or model of God presented by traditional Christianity. They find and hear a contradictory message from many churches that God is loving, but of course, is going to send the vast majority of the human race to Hell, or that the OT God is truly loving, although he says he will act without mercy and very cruelly in many cases.

As for me, the teachings of any particular religion doesn't really enter into the equation. While I agree that there's many contradictory ideas of god being presented by various Christians, that's largely irrelevant to the question of if a god exists at all. All that would mean is that at least some Christians are wrong.

I haven't seen any evidence to support belief in a god of any description. Christian, deist, or other.

 

[Belk]

You'd best realize that remark implies you know every atheist that exists in order to speak against mikenet's thought .Pure hogwash !

I do not need to know a single atheist to know that mikenet is not capable of reading minds.

 

[Belk]

Thank you, what belk said there is how some people like to debate, that's in general, some people need that fallback. The idea is to delegitimize the argument maker, which in turn makes what they say less relevant and makes their argument easier to make. Classic stuff, but that debater had no clue who they were debating with, or what my background was. They thought they did, oops on their part.

Or perhaps I know you are incapable of determining others thoughts and are therefore unable to determine that people who claim not to hate are lying to you?

 

[SteveB28]

Sorry, but I´m starting to get the impression that the feeling that they are being hated means - for whatever reason - great comfort to some Christians.

Yes, the 'martyr complex' seems to be alive and well. But isn't this an expected outcome when the 70+% complain about being 'persecuted' by the 5%....!?

 

[StanJ]

If you don't need to support you're claim, why would any objective observer believe you?

Who exactly are you assuming is objective? In my years of posting on forums like this I see thousands of posts with claims that are in no way objective. Do you feel that you're objective? And if you do how do you support that?

 

[SteveB28]

Who exactly are you assuming is objective? In my years of posting on forums like this I see thousands of posts with claims that are in no way objective. Do you feel that you're objective? And if you do how do you support that?

And I would like to think that, in this section of the forum at least, you get 'called out' when you make statements which should be supported with evidence, but aren't.

 

[StanJ]

And I would like to think that, in this section of the forum at least, you get 'called out' when you make statements which should be supported with evidence, but aren't.

So you've supplied evidence that God doesn't exist? You supplied evidence that the universe was not created?

 

[SteveB28]

So you've supplied evidence that God doesn't exist? You supplied evidence that the universe was not created?

No, and there's a good reason for me not supplying that evidence......

.....because I've never made those claims!?

 

[StanJ]

Yes, the 'martyr complex' seems to be alive and well. But isn't this an expected outcome when the 70+% complain about being 'persecuted' by the 5%....!?

Who's complaining they're being persecuted? Seriously I doubt any Christians in North America would have the faintest inkling of what persecution really good. I don't really much care if anybody hates me because my faith is not in humanity or people. Humans do things wrong all the time and I'm not perfect which is why I accept a Creator and savior who is because only he is in ultimate control. This life passes very quickly and everything that goes around comes around but God is the same yesterday, today, and forever!

 

[StanJ]

No, and there's a good reason for me not supplying that evidence......
.....because I've never made those claims!?

Doesn't your faith label suggest that you have, or is there a new type of atheism that I'm not aware of?

 

[StanJ]

You are patting yourself on the back too much. It's not envy of faith, but disapproval of faith. They see faith as anti-reason and anti-science. It's like disapproving of witch doctors that pretend to cure diseases with bones and rattles. Not many people wish that they could become a witch doctor.

I let other people do that.... I have plenty of admirers.

Richard Dawkins does not come across to me as either. He is intellectually self-confident, and has his own values and personal integrity. It is a mistake to interpret his disagreement with Christians or disapproval of their dogmas as "self-centeredness" or "superciliousness".
Or do you think that anyone who dares to disagree with you is putting on airs? You might want to look in a mirror at that point.

Well I'll leave it up to everybody who reads this thread to see.