The existence Satan

[toLiJC]

While living quietly on a purchased rural property a dream occurred one night and the next day it was remembered while wood working. With the thought of "that seemed real, what was that about" my body was energized and my mind was opened to Know God. I partially collapsed as my knees bent and had difficulty breathing for a few moments.
A concept of God that had been learned from a godless culture was completely wrong. I did not know much if anything about the religious doctrine taught in Churches and did not interact with Christians apart from associations at previous employment.

God found me, drawing me to Him, exactly where I stood at that moment at the age of 26. The mind of an immortal was shown as a comparison to my mind and how it did not measure up.
The mind can be drawn deeper and beyond where the usual thoughts come from. With an engineering background the mind can access the brain which is full of all manner of learned information.
When my mind was drawn by God all manner of new information became available that had never been learned.
A Bible was found and read and Christian Churches were visited because I knew Jesus was true and had walked as a human and the immortal mind was created to be acceptable to God. It is the sacrifice He made that gives access to God because it can be understood in a human context. The Spirit of God the creator of the whole universe would be too much for a human to comprehend without a pattern of mind that measured out a small portion. This is actually faith at work.
The doctrine of the different churches visited did not satisfy the first experience because the mind was drawn into understanding the word and sentence construction of a particular doctrine. If the experience was related then there were usually some who would do everything to mess me up personally. These people were actually evil and haters and are installed in all manner of places to do the most damage to God' work. They are absorbed in their own minds ability to understand and are strongly self willed enough to win at any cost. This is the mark of the beast and is on the forehead it is predatory in the mind with its own self belief, similar to the biological animal's survival in a predatory manner.

At 40 during a fast the Lord revealed the way into the sanctuary Of God.
There is a way of transforming and renewing the mind where the old becomes new and Satan and his demons are fully disarmed. Jesus has already done this as an example and has disarmed Satan's weapons which now gives access to those who believe. Action must be taken and the mind must be cleaned up because if not the behavior and the way words are spoken from a hard heart will continue.

The whole battle is in the mind and the scriptures relate all that is required to be a reassurance that the right path is taken and with the correct Spirit.
The whole point of the exercise is the removal of demons, personal demons first and then others can be given assistance.
The kingdom of Satan is escaped from when there is entry into the kingdom of God. There are only two states.

Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.

Therefore the mind is then opened up to know the Gospel without actually reading anything on the subject. The prince of the power of the air is dis-empowered for a moment and this allows the opening up of the mind to a new understanding.

Any person who is unable to receive the good news and believe will perish because Satan has them and they cannot be reached. There are many who work for Satan and will not change. What is to be done with them?
There are some things that cannot be known at this time the goal now is Love in the nature of Jesus and God will indwell.

the full removal of the devilish spirits may be a matter of common efforts - one man may not be enough to remove some of them even from himself, also, the removal of devilish spirits may depend on the anointing and the circumstances, there were cases in which some worshipers could not cast certain satanic spirits out of themselves due to the following reasons: for some reasons such spirits had a power to affect them for a certain time(an example of such a case is 2 Corinthians 12:7-9), at least some of them came under strong attack/siege by the kingdom of spiritual iniquity for some time(as in the case recorded in Daniel 7:25), there was a spiritual crisis affecting at least some of them(Matthew 24:20-21), some of them sinned too much - so the full removal of the devilish spirits may not be the most important thing compared to the participation in/contribution to/commitment to the overall salvation in the true Lord God

but whatever we said/can say about these things, the spiritual/religious people have a duty/obligation to be on the side of the solution that comes from the true God, and instead of wasting our time with spiritual/religious/occult things that do not solve the problem, we can be and stay faithful to the overall salvation in the true Lord God even participating in it actively, or what so trying will there be for us if we at least are always willing there to be overall salvation in Him?!, because it is really so that there can be no true salvation for the people if the devilish spirits are not removed from them, so if we pray for removal of devilish spirits, then let's at least pray to That Who really is the true God and Heavenly Father to remove the devilish spirits not only from us but even from as many other people as possible knowing that He can completely and permanently remove all the evil from the whole world without allowing there to be any harm for any human, of course as far as each of us have an opportunity to do it without perishing

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

You are misinterpreting scriptures. Every one sins, this is the state of man.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…

what misinterpretation exactly do you find in what i say?!

did Jesus Christ sin?!, did the Holy Apostles sin for the time when they were Holy Apostles?!, did the true Saints/Prophets sin?!, i ask you this question because it is written that sinners cannot enter into the Kingdom of God

without boasting about myself, when i speak a God's word, i speak only what i receive from the One Who really is the true Lord God

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Your theology is inconsistent. The fact is Adam and Eve did sin, that means they could choose sin. It's just not at all complex or mysterious.

Forgiveness was offered to the evil ones and those who were lead astray just as it was to Adam and Eve.

why do you think so?!, didn't it ever occur to you that one robot may do what it is not originally programmed to do only if it is first hacked/cracked (by some hacker/cracker)?!, something similar happened to eve and adam when satan appeared to them for the first time in order to seduce them into sinning, and the moment since which they had begun to have a choice to choose between good and evil was exaclty then, because satan kind of hacked/cracked their minds with another spirit/consciousness

there will be no point if forgiveness is offered to an unsouled killing machine that cannot be reprogrammed

Blessings

 

[AllanV]

the full removal of the devilish spirits may be a matter of common efforts - one man may not be enough to remove some of them even from himself, also, the removal of devilish spirits may depend on the anointing and the circumstances, there were cases in which some worshipers could not cast certain satanic spirits out of themselves due to the following reasons: for some reasons such spirits had a power to affect them for a certain time(an example of such a case is 2 Corinthians 12:7-9), at least some of them came under strong attack/siege by the kingdom of spiritual iniquity for some time(as in the case recorded in Daniel 7:25), there was a spiritual crisis affecting at least some of them(Matthew 24:20-21), some of them sinned too much - so the full removal of the devilish spirits may not be the most important thing compared to the participation in/contribution to/commitment to the overall salvation in the true Lord God

but whatever we said/can say about these things, the spiritual/religious people have a duty/obligation to be on the side of the solution that comes from the true God, and instead of wasting our time with spiritual/religious/occult things that do not solve the problem, we can be and stay faithful to the overall salvation in the true Lord God even participating in it actively, or what so trying will there be for us if we at least are always willing there to be overall salvation in Him?!, because it is really so that there can be no true salvation for the people if the devilish spirits are not removed from them, so if we pray for removal of devilish spirits, then let's at least pray to That Who really is the true God and Heavenly Father to remove the devilish spirits not only from us but even from as many other people as possible knowing that He can completely and permanently remove all the evil from the whole world without allowing there to be any harm for any human, of course as far as each of us have an opportunity to do it without perishing

Blessings

There is not going to be a revival as such, as many hope for. The scriptures indicate much destruction by the self willed who are ruled by mind fixtures that demons tempt each through. These are apparent in so called normal human behavior and interaction, within a culture and ideology.
There is a case for dealing with own mind fixtures with demonic attachments within own self first, other wise a person is a part of the problem.
The self willed attitude must be dropped and the will then is aligned with the will of God.
The goal is Love and this is revealed in the nature of Jesus and He is acceptable to God.

Therefore the nature of Jesus must be found and He will cover the unacceptable traits within own self then giving access to God. God will indwell and powerfully energize the Love within the participant.
This must not be taken lightly.

 

[AllanV]

why do you think so?!, didn't it ever occur to you that one robot may do what it is not originally programmed to do only if it is first hacked/cracked (by some hacker/cracker)?!, something similar happened to eve and adam when satan appeared to them for the first time in order to seduce them into sinning, and the moment since which they had begun to have a choice to choose between good and evil was exaclty then, because satan kind of hacked/cracked their minds with another spirit/consciousness

there will be no point if forgiveness is offered to an unsouled killing machine that cannot be reprogrammed

Blessings

Colter said: ↑
"Your theology is inconsistent. The fact is Adam and Eve did sin, that means they could choose sin. It's just not at all complex or mysterious.
Forgiveness was offered to the evil ones and those who were lead astray just as it was to Adam and Eve."


Adam and Eve showed a type of character that lead them to make a choice in the first place. They revealed a certain gullibility and naivety and this is apparent today because Satan remains hidden and deceives continuously.

 

[toLiJC]

There is not going to be a revival as such, as many hope for. The scriptures indicate much destruction by the self willed who are ruled by mind fixtures that demons tempt each through. These are apparent in so called normal human behavior and interaction, within a culture and ideology.
There is a case for dealing with own mind fixtures with demonic attachments within own self first, other wise a person is a part of the problem.
The self willed attitude must be dropped and the will then is aligned with the will of God.
The goal is Love and this is revealed in the nature of Jesus and He is acceptable to God.

Therefore the nature of Jesus must be found and He will cover the unacceptable traits within own self then giving access to God. God will indwell and powerfully energize the Love within the participant.
This must not be taken lightly.

at least from the perspective that i have in the true God, if not from another, i understand you, but the problem is that such a scheme as yours here may (at least a little) turn out to be inconsistent with the overall salvation that God determined for the souls to be provided with as soon as possible, because it seems as though it goes to the extreme of making everybody obliged to pass through an eye of a needle, for laying down conditions for the people which are difficult to be fulfilled it may (easily) reduce the chance of many to be saved, including because it requires every person to exercise/practice faith in God to the extent of the strong ones(Romans 15:1-22), therefore we can show another/(the) others a better way, either in word or in another way, yet according to God's righteousness, but to burden our neighbor/brother is not right, that is why i have had some reservations about such doctrines of faith that seem to go to that extreme

there should really be carefulness in the exercise of faith, because the iniquity that is the cause of all other evils and iniquities is exactly the spiritual one, therefore i do not take it lightly, but it may (easily) turn out to be too much if we make every human obliged to exercise/practice faith to the extent of the strong ones, because the strong ones have the duty/obligation to work for overall salvation in the God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, of course even by showing people the way of His love/righteousness

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Colter said: ↑
"Your theology is inconsistent. The fact is Adam and Eve did sin, that means they could choose sin. It's just not at all complex or mysterious.
Forgiveness was offered to the evil ones and those who were lead astray just as it was to Adam and Eve."


Adam and Eve showed a type of character that lead them to make a choice in the first place. They revealed a certain gullibility and naivety and this is apparent today because Satan remains hidden and deceives continuously.

the human, albeit as a creature of God, is simple in and by themselves and could easily sin if the true God is not able enough to support them as it was in the case of eve and adam when they were seduced by satan into sinning after God fell against His will into a state of half-sleep on the seventh day

Blessings

 

[AllanV]

at least from the perspective that i have in the true God, if not from another, i understand you, but the problem is that such a scheme as yours here may (at least a little) turn out to be inconsistent with the overall salvation that God determined for the souls to be provided with as soon as possible, because it seems as though it goes to the extreme of making everybody obliged to pass through an eye of a needle, for laying down conditions for the people which are difficult to be fulfilled it may (easily) reduce the chance of many to be saved, including because it requires every person to exercise/practice faith in God to the extent of the strong ones(Romans 15:1-22), therefore we can show another/(the) others a better way, either in word or in another way, yet according to God's righteousness, but to burden our neighbor/brother is not right, that is why i have had some reservations about such doctrines of faith that seem to go to that extreme

there should really be carefulness in the exercise of faith, because the iniquity that is the cause of all other evils and iniquities is exactly the spiritual one, therefore i do not take it lightly, but it may (easily) turn out to be too much if we make every human obliged to exercise/practice faith to the extent of the strong ones, because the strong ones have the duty/obligation to work for overall salvation in the God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ, of course even by showing them the way of His love/righteousness

Blessings

The Gospel of the kingdom of God is the good news of a kingdom that is ruled by Jesus.
The message is about the escape from Satan's kingdom by the removal of personal demons which are mind fixtures.
These demons are perpetuated through godless human interaction and bring with them sickness, deformity, mutation, degeneration and death. There is an effective barrier to God's power of regeneration that will in the future lead to immortality.
Jesus in a sacrifice, as an example, has taken Satan's power and disarmed it.
The effective working of faith in one who hears and being lead by the Spirit, will expose demons and then these demons can be expelled.

The first step for a person who is baptized and believes is to deepen belief by the Spirit to expose and then expel own personal demons. The goal is Love and the indwelling of God's Spirit. A person who is able to do such will be an effective worker for God's Kingdom.

 

[AllanV]

the human, albeit as a creature of God, is simple in and by themselves and could easily sin if the true God is not able enough to support them as it was in the case of eve and adam when they were seduced by satan into sinning after God fell against His will into a state of half-sleep on the seventh day

Blessings

When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit their minds were set to be rebellious.
This type of mind is able to get into the mind of others just as is observed in human behavior today.
It takes a strong minded person to interact in today's society. Personal self belief must be established and the will empowers this for strength and protection within the emotional makeup. The self willed person is vulnerable to mind fixtures that will tempt into all manner of behaviors. The words spoken will have certain emphasis as well and are reflected from a hard mind and heart. There are strong temptations in the mind that control actions and words. The person is enslaved to play out what is observed.

This is all separate from the healing regenerating power of God.

 

[SkyWriting]

So here is the problem, if this world became what it is because of Adam and Eve sinning, then why didn't heaven get the same results if the actual first sin was done in heaven - through Satan?

You mean Satan cast out? That's what happened.

I don't think The angels hung around earth, so it's not going to be the same results.

Earth....Heaven......not the same.

 

[toLiJC]

The Gospel of the kingdom of God is the good news of a kingdom that is ruled by Jesus.
The message is about the escape from Satan's kingdom by the removal of personal demons which are mind fixtures.
These demons are perpetuated through godless human interaction and bring with them sickness, deformity, mutation, degeneration and death. There is an effective barrier to God's power of regeneration that will in the future lead to immortality.
Jesus in a sacrifice, as an example, has taken Satan's power and disarmed it.
The effective working of faith in one who hears and being lead by the Spirit, will expose demons and then these demons can be expelled.

The first step for a person who is baptized and believes is to deepen belief by the Spirit to expose and then expel own personal demons. The goal is Love and the indwelling of God's Spirit. A person who is able to do such will be an effective worker for God's Kingdom.

why must we emphasize/stress that the self-realization is (ostensibly) most important in the faith?!, what is that faith at all, which is (supposedly) everything we need only because it is (strongly) spiritual/religious?!, i ask these questions because Jesus Christ and His true disciples that are presented in the Bible were spiritual, but saved every unsaved person They met by casting the devilish spirits out of the possessed/affected ones, healing the sick people, resurrecting dead, preaching the Gospel to the concerned ones, etc., i.e., as it is also written, faith is nothing if it is not based on love, to put it another way, what if we are very spiritual/religious, even if to a greatest extent, but can't/don't save any unsaved person, though admonishing others?!, isn't the spiritual/religious self-realization a product of the fear of remaining unsaved?!

1 Corinthians 13:2 "though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.",

1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

what do the devilish spirits try to make humans be?!, satan seduced eve and adam into getting involved in the works of the spiritual iniquity by making them begin and continue to exercise/practice occultism/esotericism, so sin entered into and settled down in the world through humans that commit(ted) spiritual iniquity, because there were always at least one human that commit(ted) spiritual iniquity, from adam to Noah, and from Noah and Ham to the sinners nowadays - this world filled (up) with spiritual violators that committed spiritual iniquity in the form of occultism and idolatry only over/within 10 generations of Adam (indeed, as for the time around the "flood", only Noah and his family had not committed spiritual iniquity before the day when Ham began to exercise/practice occultism/esotericism (Genesis 9:22, 1 Corinthians 5:1), and the difference between the spiritual of God and the spiritual of the "darkness" is mainly in the fact that the spiritual of God is based on love for the humans/neighbor, while the spiritual of the "darkness" is based on self-interest

1 Corinthians 2:12-13 "we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.",

1 Corinthians 10:24-33 "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth..... Give none offence, neither to the Jews(i.e. neither to the spiritual/religious people), nor to the Gentiles(i.e. nor to the irreligious/non-occult people), nor to the church of God(i.e. nor to the true Church of God): Even as I please all men in all things(i.e. as to all kinds of/the good things), not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many(i.e. of the others), that they may be saved."

so how will a self-interested worshiper remove his/her devilish spirits from himself/herself if he/she continues to be self-interested in faith?!, but if the worshiper seeks true salvation for the other persons, then where will the devilish spirits remain even if some of them continue to try disturbing the worshiper?!, God wants to see us loving the others with unhypocritical/unfeigned love

Romans 12:6-9 "having different gifts, according to the grace which has been given to us, whether [it be] prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith; or service, [let us occupy ourselves] in service; or he that teaches, in teaching; or he that exhorts, in exhortation; he that gives, in simplicity; he that leads, with diligence; he that shews mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be unfeigned; abhorring evil; cleaving to good:"

love is most important, while faith is faithfulness to love

1 Corinthians 13:4-13 "Love is patient and kind. Love knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited. She does not behave unbecomingly, nor seek to aggrandize herself, nor blaze out in passionate anger, nor brood over wrongs. She finds no pleasure in injustice done to others, but joyfully sides with the truth. She knows how to be silent. She is full of trust, full of hope, full of patient endurance. Love never fails. But if there are prophecies, they will be done away with; if there are languages, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be brought to an end. For our knowledge is imperfect, and so is our prophesying; but when the perfect state of things is come, all that is imperfect will be brought to an end. When I was a child, I talked like a child, felt like a child, reasoned like a child: when I became a man, I put from me childish ways. For the present we see things as if in a mirror, and are puzzled; but then we shall see them face to face. For the present the knowledge I gain is imperfect; but then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And so there remain Faith, Hope, Love—these three; and of these the greatest is Love.",

Galatians 5:6 "in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love."

what if we clean ourselves but can't/don't save the unsaved ones?!, when we read the biblical books of the New Testament we can't/don't see any of the true Saints cleaning himself all the time through his life as most important, but we (can) rather see Them saving many others, and the true advance consists exactly in the commitment to/contribution to/participation in the works of the overall salvation in God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord, or else what will be the difference between the spiritual/religious people and the irreligious/non-occult ones if they are all self-interested/passive as to the overall salvation from God?!, for example in recent decades i saw many worshipers practice abstinence from physical/bodily consumptions/activities as if every day there was a competition/contest for who will be most clean outwardly in the world of human religion, and they were so busy all the time with that competition/contest that they even did not notice the people in affliction - they even trampled on the needs and rights of their brothers in faith - can you see Jesus or any of His true disciples do so instead of working for another's salvation in the true Lord God?!

James 2:20 "faith without works is dead"

so the spirituality/religiosity is nothing without love in God but only sin, or if Jesus Christ didn't love and wasn't led by love for the people, would He (so) want to save any of those people that needed salvation at all?!

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

When Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit their minds were set to be rebellious.
This type of mind is able to get into the mind of others just as is observed in human behavior today.
It takes a strong minded person to interact in today's society. Personal self belief must be established and the will empowers this for strength and protection within the emotional makeup. The self willed person is vulnerable to mind fixtures that will tempt into all manner of behaviors. The words spoken will have certain emphasis as well and are reflected from a hard mind and heart. There are strong temptations in the mind that control actions and words. The person is enslaved to play out what is observed.

This is all separate from the healing regenerating power of God.

in the beginning, after God created the humans, they were not unrighteous/sinful - in the time before they began to sin (for the first time), then satan seduced them into sinning, and only then they became unrighteous/sinful, so there must be something that makes the human unrighteous/sinful, and that did not affect/possess the human in the beginning before they sinned for the first time, besides, it is written:

Romans 5:12-14 "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression"

so (as it is written above) sin entered into the world and settled down in it through humans that served sin, and only then there was a secondary manifestation of sin in other humans, including such persons that were not spiritual/religious at all, let alone committing spiritual iniquity, this indicates that sin can enter into and settle down in the world only through spiritual violators among the humans, otherwise neither will it be able to affect irreligious/non-occult people if there are no persons committing spiritual iniquity in the form of human religion/spirituality, that is why St Paul says:

Ephesians 12:6 "we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

for it may (easily) turn out to be impossible that all people become righteous and sinless without exceptions if that thing is not disarmed, because it manifests in the form of the so-called "sin in flesh" (albeit as a secondary manifestation in irreligious/non-occult people) which is described in Galatians 5th chapter, so how can spiritual/religious people committing spiritual iniquity tell irreligious/non-occult people to repent?!, as it is said, how on earth?!, because the strong ones have an obligation to disarm (the power of) the system of spiritual iniquity, otherwise the path will not be prepared for the irreligious/non-occult people that are/will be invited to become believers/worshipers and so they can/will be/remain frustrated, and thus faith, too, and what can be/we say if on top of that spiritual/religious people commit spiritual iniquity i.e. in addition to their spiritual inadequacy/incompetence?!

i would rather there be true salvation for all human and other (be)souled beings and souls, but i don't dare to lift up/place to/in a holy position any person that is not enough worthy of that position, even if that person is me

Blessings

 

[joshua 1 9]

Hello. I am here because there is big question in my mind that's been bugging me to get answers and it's on the topic of Satan. Does he really exists, is he a metaphor, or just an invention of the Catholic Church?

Yes all of the above. The Bible talks about Satan. He is used as a metaphor and he is an invention of Dante in the Divine Comedy that was a book very popular in the Catholic Church. Written in 1320, a year before Dante death in 1321. It is divided into three parts: Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

[AllanV]

why must we emphasize/stress that the self-realization is (ostensibly) most important in the faith?!, what is that faith at all, which is (supposedly) everything we need only because it is (strongly) spiritual/religious?!, i ask these questions because Jesus Christ and His true disciples that are presented in the Bible were spiritual, but saved every unsaved person They met by casting the devilish spirits out of the possessed/affected ones, healing the sick people, resurrecting dead, preaching the Gospel to the concerned ones, etc., i.e., as it is also written, faith is nothing if it is not based on love, to put it another way, what if we are very spiritual/religious, even if to a greatest extent, but can't/don't save any unsaved person, though admonishing others?!, isn't the spiritual/religious self-realization a product of the fear of remaining unsaved?!

1 Corinthians 13:2 "though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.",

1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

what do the devilish spirits try to make humans be?!, satan seduced eve and adam into getting involved in the works of the spiritual iniquity by making them begin and continue to exercise/practice occultism/esotericism, so sin entered into and settled down in the world through humans that commit(ted) spiritual iniquity, because there were always at least one human that commit(ted) spiritual iniquity, from adam to Noah, and from Noah and Ham to the sinners nowadays - this world filled (up) with spiritual violators that committed spiritual iniquity in the form of occultism and idolatry only over/within 10 generations of Adam (indeed, as for the time around the "flood", only Noah and his family had not committed spiritual iniquity before the day when Ham began to exercise/practice occultism/esotericism (Genesis 9:22, 1 Corinthians 5:1), and the difference between the spiritual of God and the spiritual of the "darkness" is mainly in the fact that the spiritual of God is based on love for the humans/neighbor, while the spiritual of the "darkness" is based on self-interest

1 Corinthians 2:12-13 "we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.",

1 Corinthians 10:24-33 "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth..... Give none offence, neither to the Jews(i.e. neither to the spiritual/religious people), nor to the Gentiles(i.e. nor to the irreligious/non-occult people), nor to the church of God(i.e. nor to the true Church of God): Even as I please all men in all things(i.e. as to all kinds of/the good things), not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many(i.e. of the others), that they may be saved."

so how will a self-interested worshiper remove his/her devilish spirits from himself/herself if he/she continues to be self-interested in faith?!, but if the worshiper seeks true salvation for the other persons, then where will the devilish spirits remain even if some of them continue to try disturbing the worshiper?!, God wants to see us loving the others with unhypocritical/unfeigned love

Romans 12:6-9 "having different gifts, according to the grace which has been given to us, whether [it be] prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith; or service, [let us occupy ourselves] in service; or he that teaches, in teaching; or he that exhorts, in exhortation; he that gives, in simplicity; he that leads, with diligence; he that shews mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be unfeigned; abhorring evil; cleaving to good:"

love is most important, while faith is faithfulness to love

1 Corinthians 13:4-13 "Love is patient and kind. Love knows neither envy nor jealousy. Love is not forward and self-assertive, nor boastful and conceited. She does not behave unbecomingly, nor seek to aggrandize herself, nor blaze out in passionate anger, nor brood over wrongs. She finds no pleasure in injustice done to others, but joyfully sides with the truth. She knows how to be silent. She is full of trust, full of hope, full of patient endurance. Love never fails. But if there are prophecies, they will be done away with; if there are languages, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be brought to an end. For our knowledge is imperfect, and so is our prophesying; but when the perfect state of things is come, all that is imperfect will be brought to an end. When I was a child, I talked like a child, felt like a child, reasoned like a child: when I became a man, I put from me childish ways. For the present we see things as if in a mirror, and are puzzled; but then we shall see them face to face. For the present the knowledge I gain is imperfect; but then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And so there remain Faith, Hope, Love—these three; and of these the greatest is Love.",

Galatians 5:6 "in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love."

what if we clean ourselves but can't/don't save the unsaved ones?!, when we read the biblical books of the New Testament we can't/don't see any of the true Saints cleaning himself all the time through his life as most important, but we (can) rather see Them saving many others, and the true advance consists exactly in the commitment to/contribution to/participation in the works of the overall salvation in God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord, or else what will be the difference between the spiritual/religious people and the irreligious/non-occult ones if they are all self-interested/passive as to the overall salvation from God?!, for example in recent decades i saw many worshipers practice abstinence from physical/bodily consumptions/activities as if every day there was a competition/contest for who will be most clean outwardly in the world of human religion, and they were so busy all the time with that competition/contest that they even did not notice the people in affliction - they even trampled on the needs and rights of their brothers in faith - can you see Jesus or any of His true disciples do so instead of working for another's salvation in the true Lord God?!

James 2:20 "faith without works is dead"

so the spirituality/religiosity is nothing without love in God but only sin, or if Jesus Christ didn't love and wasn't led by love for the people, would He (so) want to save any of those people that needed salvation at all?!

Blessings

The healed have faith and if faith comes by hearing then a word of faith in full belief needs to be spoken.
The purifying brings the mind into full belief in God where a creative act can take place. Instead of a belief in own self with all impure thoughts and motives their must be a transformation and renewal of the mind.
The one facilitating the healing is in the name, which is the spiritual character, of Jesus. An individual needs to walk as Jesus did.

A healing could take place facilitated by an incomplete impure individual who does not know Christ as an anointing and have avoided the cross of Christ.
The faith of the one being healed is more important and this must endure in the Holy Spirit rather than wither because of incompleteness.

 

[AllanV]

1 Corinthians 13:2 "though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.",

Too much charity can promote greed. A Godly person then has no possessions except the gift of God.
It becomes a situation that the only charity to be given is a healing gift of God and then if rejected the one who can not receive it is condemned.

 

[joshua 1 9]

when i was lost I knew evil exists remeber Satan greatest trick convince you that he doesnt he does. Hes no longer Lucifer hes now the adversay who fell when he said the 5 i wills in his heart and now is the Great tempter he sets the stage he cant make you do anythiny. He cant even touch you without the Fathers permission (job)

There seems to be a belief that the unredeemed have a brain that is not fully developed. As they can show on a cat scan that people who lack empathy do not function at the same level as the people that do have empathy. So perhaps this is what makes it so easy for them to be deceived.

"Let’s look at a sampling of brain parts in the empathy circuits to learn what they actually do for us. Realize that each part is not so functional by itself but needs the other circuits to carry out the complex empathy task of really stepping into the shoes of another person.

• The medial prefrontal cortex compares your perspective to another person’s perspective.
• The dorsal medial prefrontal cortex helps you understand your own thoughts and feelings.
• The ventral medial prefrontal cortex stores information about how strongly you feel about a course of action.
• The inferior frontal gyrus helps with emotion recognition.
• The caudal anterior cingulate cortex is activated with pain, both when you feel yours and observe it in others.
• The anterior insula is involved in bodily self-awareness, something that is tied to empathy.
• The right temporoparietal junction helps you judge another person’s intentions and beliefs."

http://psychcentral.com/lib/neurosc...-people-with-aspergers-syndrome-lack-empathy/

 

[AllanV]

why must we emphasize/stress that the self-realization is (ostensibly) most important in the faith?!, what is that faith at all, which is (supposedly) everything we need only because it is (strongly) spiritual/religious?!

Every occasion that has occurred has not been a spiritual quest instigated by me. Everything that has happened has a depth that was never known or could be within my own thinking capacity.
The Eternal God is drawing individuals and this is a beginning point. My own mind was opened up to see the mind of an immortal as a comparison to mine and how mine did not measure up. Sin is hatched from within the mind make up of the individual.

The experience had some power and got my attention. God is immediate and makes everything seen appear at every instant, sustaining the creation. Jesus developed a mind that is able to be understood in human terms although usually unreachable.

When the Bible is read immortality was lost at the beginning and regained in the revelation at the end.

 

[AllanV]

There seems to be a belief that the unredeemed have a brain that is not fully developed. As they can show on a cat scan that people who lack empathy do not function at the same level as the people that do have empathy. So perhaps this is what makes it so easy for them to be deceived.

"Let’s look at a sampling of brain parts in the empathy circuits to learn what they actually do for us. Realize that each part is not so functional by itself but needs the other circuits to carry out the complex empathy task of really stepping into the shoes of another person.

• The medial prefrontal cortex compares your perspective to another person’s perspective.
• The dorsal medial prefrontal cortex helps you understand your own thoughts and feelings.
• The ventral medial prefrontal cortex stores information about how strongly you feel about a course of action.
• The inferior frontal gyrus helps with emotion recognition.
• The caudal anterior cingulate cortex is activated with pain, both when you feel yours and observe it in others.
• The anterior insula is involved in bodily self-awareness, something that is tied to empathy.
• The right temporoparietal junction helps you judge another person’s intentions and beliefs."

http://psychcentral.com/lib/neurosc...-people-with-aspergers-syndrome-lack-empathy/

The God helmet is able to show that an electromagnet field of the correct type and magnitude can interfere with the working of the frontal lobes of the brain.

What is more interesting is that often in the scriptures the forehead is referred to as where there is a certain strength required.
The mark of the beast is applied to the forehead and indicates the seat of the mind power that reflects the predatory animal nature that every person interacts within.
A transformation and renewal of the mind brings with it a severing of the bonding in familiar responses within the brain that drives the hormonal balance called the lust of the flesh.
This is why Jesus said that God should be placed before even our own family.

 

[AllanV]

when i was lost I knew evil exists remeber Satan greatest trick convince you that he doesnt he does. Hes no longer Lucifer hes now the adversay who fell when he said the 5 i wills in his heart and now is the Great tempter he sets the stage he cant make you do anythiny. He cant even touch you without the Fathers permission (job)

There is an adversary and he stands in the mind and opposes God. A rebellious mind carries with it an impurity and does not measure up as acceptable to God.
Jesus is acceptable and the mind needs to be transformed and then His nature is taken up.

 

[AllanV]

You mean Satan cast out? That's what happened.

I don't think The angels hung around earth, so it's not going to be the same results.

Earth....Heaven......not the same.

The effect of sin is seen in all creation. The earth is in a bondage to decay and there is oxidizing and rotting. The complete regenerating power of God is diminished to a low level by a corruption.
The predatory animal kingdom is reflected in the mind of man and he has been denied access to immortality. The human is driven by natural degenerating processes and the cells oxidize, mutate and bring sickness and death.