Cliffe Knechtle on the 6 days in Genesis

[PsychoSarah]

To make this perfectly clear: Jesus is the only way to be saved. What does the Koran offer you? If the Koran or any other book has anything of any value to offer I would like to hear about it.

If nothing else, the stories from religious texts and mythologies tend to be interesting. I happen to like Norse Mythology myself, though I admittedly know more about Greek mythology.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Oh, really?

So abiogenesis is not even a part of cosmic evolution?

Yup, abiogenesis is part of chemical evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yup, abiogenesis is part of chemical evolution.

Isn't that what I basically said?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Isn't that what I basically said?

Cosmic evolution is how galaxies and stars form and change.

 

[AV1611VET]

Cosmic evolution is how galaxies and stars form and change.

It's more than that.

 

[PeterDona]

What would you say constitutes a miracle? have you ever seen a miracle? if you have how did you know it was a miracle?
Why does a miracle point to a God and not the Devil? are you sure you are not just believing men? after all men wrote the Bible.

I guess some examples are the easiest to discuss here.
A miracle that all can see, is nature, life, trees and plants and animals. And the world itself, where is has come from.

A special miracle that I have witnessed, was a man whose right hand was totally misshaped. I was in a group with 3 others on the street, and we prayed for this mans hand, and I saw that the knuckles started moving from the fist towards the fingers. It was a like, nothing I could have dreamed up. And after that happened, the man started smacking his hand to the wall, saying, see it does not hurt any more, and then he went away, I have not seen him again.

Concerning whether miracles point to God or to the Devil:
Such is a very important discussion. We all want to find God and not the Devil, and yet there is so much trickery out there. I could tell you a long story on my own struggle in this area, but I will hold off, and just want to ask if this is an area of your present effort.

Best regards, Peter

 

[Goonie]

To make this perfectly clear: Jesus is the only way to be saved. What does the Koran offer you? If the Koran or any other book has anything of any value to offer I would like to hear about it.

Every religion sees their particular holy book as holy, and their faith the only way to be saved. Personally never read the Koran, the book of mormon (heard it's a tad dull) or most of the bible.

 

[Frenzy]

Should we instead instruct people to kill, steal and destroy.

You mean like your God does in so much of the bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean like your God does in so much of the bible?

You mean like forewarn them for centuries ... say ... oh ... 430 years ... then attack them -- but after they attack us first?

 

[Frenzy]

I guess some examples are the easiest to discuss here.
A miracle that all can see, is nature, life, trees and plants and animals. And the world itself, where is has come from.

That wasn't your God who did that it was Thor.

A special miracle that I have witnessed, was a man whose right hand was totally misshaped. I was in a group with 3 others on the street, and we prayed for this mans hand, and I saw that the knuckles started moving from the fist towards the fingers. It was a like, nothing I could have dreamed up. And after that happened, the man started smacking his hand to the wall, saying, see it does not hurt any more, and then he went away, I have not seen him again.

How well does prayer work for amputees?

Concerning whether miracles point to God or to the Devil:
Such is a very important discussion. We all want to find God and not the Devil, and yet there is so much trickery out there. I could tell you a long story on my own struggle in this area, but I will hold off, and just want to ask if this is an area of your present effort.

How do you know your God is the good one and the Devil is the bad one? did someone tell you which one was which?
if so you don't actually know you just believe the person who told you, it seems religious people spend a lot of time believing other people don't they? in fact everything about every religion came from other people didn't they?
It seems to me that religious people everywhere spend most of their time believing other people and the rest of their time imagining their Gods.

 

[Frenzy]

You mean like forewarn them for centuries ... say ... oh ... 430 years ... then attack them -- but after they attack us first?

You mean other people warned them not the God, do you listen to people other than your pastor?
You seem to forget that 40 days after Moses was [supposedly] speaking with God they were worshipping other Gods,
[talk about short attention span] even they didn't really believe in your God so why should anyone listen to any warnings coming from ordinary men? do you listen to warnings put out by other religions?

Why are there so many Christians in the US and so many Muslims in the middle east? do religions act like diseases? are they catching? or do people just follow other people like sheep?

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean other people warned them ...

They had plenty of advanced warning.

Listen, if you can, to what Rahab the harlot had to say:

Joshua 2:8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof;
Joshua 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
Joshua 2:10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
Joshua 2:11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Find me a scientist on here that will admit, on this public Internet site, that God gave that land to the Jews and back it up with their scientific documentation -- you know what that is, don't you? the stuff they demand from us?

Until then:

Harlot: 1
Science: 0

 

[joshua 1 9]

Indeed, but as with the bible millions of people see the Koran as holy. You did say

Lots of people are deceived. Christians do not consider the Koran to be Holy. This whole conversation just demonstrates that people do not have any concept as to what Holiness even is. They do not understand the Love that God has for us and how He desires the very best for us. As a Christian we are to walk in love, as Christians are known to do. Acts of violence are rare among Christians and they do not have Bible verses telling them to be violent.

 

[Frenzy]

Lots of people are deceived. Christians do not consider the Koran to be Holy. This whole conversation just demonstrates that people do not have any concept as to what Holiness even is. They do not understand the Love that God has for us and how He desires the very best for us. As a Christian we are to walk in love, as Christians are known to do. Acts of violence are rare among Christians and they do not have Bible verses telling them to be violent.

You of course are not talking about American Christians are you because they do none of those things, American Christians love war, given the chance America would be at war 24/7 and they wouldn't care who it was against just as long as they were killing someone or something.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You of course are not talking about American Christians are you because they do none of those things, American Christians love war, given the chance America would be at war 24/7 and they wouldn't care who it was against just as long as they were killing someone or something.

I am an American Christian that refused to participate in Vietnam so don't talk your nonsense to me. Also as a Christian form it is against the rules for you to slander Christians and Christianity in this way.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why are there so many Christians in the US and so many Muslims in the middle east?

United States was established by religious groups looking for religious freedom. The Muslims are the descendants of Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael. The Bible is very clear that God has a plan and a purpose. There is the spiritual and there is the flesh. The Muslims do not represent the spiritual, they represent the flesh. Still we are told that one third of all people will be saved, from every tongue, tribe, nation and people.

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Rev 7:9

 

[Frenzy]

Find me a scientist on here that will admit, on this public Internet site, that God gave that land to the Jews and back it up with their scientific documentation -- you know what that is, don't you? the stuff they demand from us?

Because you have no answers all you can ever do is deflect and you know it, you are like a fat person who says 'I know I'm fat but I'm not as fat as he is'.

 

[Frenzy]

I am an American Christian that refused to participate in Vietnam so don't talk your nonsense to me. Also as a Christian form it is against the rules for you to slander Christians and Christianity in this way.

And don't you talk your nonsense to me either, I agree no one should slander anyone but when the so called slander is the truth it can not be against the rules, just because you say it's slander does not make it slander, Americans give the impression to the rest of the world that they love war, given that most Americans are supposed to be Christians it follows that most American Christians must love war, unlike you I am saying it like I see it and not as I would like it to be.

 

[Frenzy]

Why are there so many Christians in the US and so many Muslims in the middle east? do religions act like diseases? are they catching? or do people just follow other people like sheep?

United States was established by religious groups looking for religious freedom. The Muslims are the descendants of Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael. The Bible is very clear that God has a plan and a purpose. There is the spiritual and there is the flesh. The Muslims do not represent the spiritual, they represent the flesh. Still we are told that one third of all people will be saved, from every tongue, tribe, nation and people.

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Rev 7:9

You missed the point completely by a country mile.

Christians breed Christians and Muslim breed Muslims, religion for 99.9% of people is not a choice, religious people like to think it was their choice to believe what they believe, however it's was not, they believe what they were raised to believe, that's why there are Christians in the US and Muslims in the middle east.

We will now hear from every religious person here about how they were all raised by atheists and found their gods on their own.
Either that or how much I must have been hurt by religion in order to talk like I have, FYI, I have never ever been religious at any time in my life.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because you have no answers all you can ever do is deflect and you know it, you are like a fat person who says 'I know I'm fat but I'm not as fat as he is'.

I'll take this to mean you have nothing concrete to respond with.