Cliffe Knechtle on the 6 days in Genesis

[PeterDona]

From the series, Give me an answer, which is really great, I found this interesting discussion

Interesting view, that the 6 days of Genesis is a poetic description, and that Genesis is not a literal account. Due to some parallelisms in the 6 days.

I dont think that I would agree, that the 6 days are not literal days. But it is interesting anyway.

Creationism does take as a starting point, that there were 6 literal days at the beginning of the universe. As far as I understand creationism, and which is also my understanding of the creation account.

best regards, Peter

 

[AV1611VET]

From the series, Give me an answer, which is really great, I found this interesting discussion

Thank you for sharing this, Peter.

And while I don't agree with him, I like what he says about evolution being a PROCESS, not an ORIGIN.

 

[Frenzy]

From the series, Give me an answer, which is really great, I found this interesting discussion

Does the man ever give any answers or are they just speculations? is magic [or as religious people like to call them miracles] an answer? we don't know how it happened so it must have been a miracle.
As we all know magic [miracle] is the answer to everything but the explanation for nothing.

 

[PeterDona]

Does the man ever give any answers or are they just speculations? is magic [or as religious people like to call them miracles] an answer? we don't know how it happened so it must have been a miracle.
As we all know magic [miracle] is the answer to everything but the explanation for nothing.

He is good in apologetics. Which is good for us who walk the streets to search for the men and women of peace.

For me, magic is a negative word, related to the work of demons. Magic is for me connected to manipulation and deception.

For me, miracles is a positive word, related to a true work of God. Something that is supernatural in its essence.

What do the words relate to for you? Best regards, Peter

 

[PsychoSarah]

Thank you for sharing this, Peter.

And while I don't agree with him, I like what he says about evolution being a PROCESS, not an ORIGEN.

Evolution is not an origin of life; it just describes how life changes over time and generations. You have more of an issue with abiogenesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution is not an origin of life; it just describes how life changes over time and generations. You have more of an issue with abiogenesis.

Yes, but abiogenesis is a part of evolution, if you take cosmic evolution into consideration.

 

[Frenzy]

Yes, but abiogenesis is a part of evolution, if you take cosmic evolution into consideration.

Why are other Christians not embarrassed by your ignorance? because they should be, if not your ignorance most certainly your deception, manipulation and untruths.
AV1611VET do you think you can fool your God with your squirming?

 

[Frenzy]

He is good in apologetics. Which is good for us who walk the streets to search for the men and women of peace.

For me, magic is a negative word, related to the work of demons. Magic is for me connected to manipulation and deception.

For me, miracles is a positive word, related to a true work of God. Something that is supernatural in its essence.

What do the words relate to for you? Best regards, Peter

Apart from how you see the words what in your opinion is the difference between magic and miracle?

 

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET do you think you can fool your God with your squirming?

Do you think you can fool my God by hiding behind the A-word?

 

[Frenzy]

AV1611VET do you think you can fool your God with your squirming?

Do you think you can fool my God by hiding behind the A-word?

Do you think you can keep fooling your God by answering questions with questions, he knows you're a fraud.

 

[PeterDona]

Apart from how you see the words what in your opinion is the difference between magic and miracle?

Hm, let me try to elaborate, hope I do this correctly
magic: something performed by a magician, by some known method, pretty much by technique, but maybe and even probably with some 'dark' content. You would maybe have a fake feeling about it.
miracle: something that appears honest, not exalting a person, but God. By this I mean not necessarily exalting a specific religious orientation, but something that is so supreme in its nature, that we would say, this does point to a God.

you wrote:

Does the man ever give any answers or are they just speculations? is magic [or as religious people like to call them miracles] an answer? we don't know how it happened so it must have been a miracle.
As we all know magic [miracle] is the answer to everything but the explanation for nothing.

If I understand you correctly, you may be referring to the problem of christians giving vague answers? Apologetics is exactly the discipline of giving respectful, honest, scientific (where possible), and biblically sound answers.

As I am ouy on the streets, I also need to educate myself on how to meet people. I have found that the apologetics resource that Cliffe Knechtle has here, is very inspiring.

 

[Frenzy]

miracle: something that appears honest, not exalting a person, but God. By this I mean not necessarily exalting a specific religious orientation, but something that is so supreme in its nature, that we would say, this does point to a God.

What would you say constitutes a miracle? have you ever seen a miracle? if you have how did you know it was a miracle?
Why does a miracle point to a God and not the Devil? are you sure you are not just believing men? after all men wrote the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

after all men wrote the Bible.

Holy men wrote the Bible.

Do you know the kind? or doesn't science have that word in its vocabulary?

 

[Goonie]

Holy men wrote the Bible.

Do you know the kind? or doesn't science have that word in its vocabulary?

Who declared them holy?

 

[AV1611VET]

Who declared them holy?

God.

 

[Goonie]

God.

In the book the holy men wrote? Can you see the problem?

 

[AV1611VET]

In the book the holy men wrote? Can you see the problem?

Yes.

You don't understand.

To you, it's probably circular logic.

 

[Goonie]

Yes.

You don't understand.

To you, it's probably circular logic.

Very circular, but got to remember to chilll

 

[Frenzy]

Holy men wrote the Bible.

Do you know the kind? or doesn't science have that word in its vocabulary?

Every religion has holy men, does that make all holy books true?

 

[AV1611VET]

Every religion has holy men, does that make all holy books true?

No.

Let me ask you this:

If you think you know what It's saying, then what do you think It means, when It says:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I'm not asking you to agree with it, I'm asking if you know what it is you are disagreeing with?

Can you tell me?