So man's punishment for sin is to 'descend into hell' for three days. Looks like you believe in temporal punishment also.
2 Chronicles 11:16
And after the Levites left, those from all the tribes of Israel, such as set their heart to seek the Lord God of Israel...
2 Chronicles 15:13
and whoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel was to be put to death...
2 Chronicles 20:3,4
And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the Lord...
So Judah gathered together to ask help from the Lord; and from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the Lord.
Isaiah 51:1
Listen to Me, you who follow after righteousness, You who seek the Lord:
Isaiah 55:6
Seek the Lord while He may be found,
Many have sought the Lord; man is even commanded to seek the Lord.
Genesis 7:1
Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.
Exodus 23:7
Keep yourself far from a false matter; do not kill the innocent and righteous.
Deuteronomy 25:1
If there is a dispute between men, and they come to court, that the judges may judge them, and they justify the righteous and condemn the wicked,
Psalm 1:5
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psalm 1:6
For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the ungodly shall perish.
Psalm 5:12
For You, O Lord, will bless the righteous; With favor You will surround him as with a shield.
Psalm 14:5
There they are in great fear, For God is with the generation of the righteous.
Psalm 32:11
Be glad in the Lord and rejoice, you righteous; And shout for joy, all you upright in heart!
Luke 1
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Plenty of Biblical references to those who were righteous.
Plus, if ALL turned aside from God, how were any saved in the Old Testament?
Indeed the righteous were righteous the same way I am ...by the grace of God ...not by their words..lest any man boast
Then by all means, tell us what the punishment is for sin, and how Jesus took this punishment.
Christ took upon our sins, and died as a sin offering for them. He didn't "take on the punishment of sin" but rather existed as a fulfillment of OT sacrifice.
It's wonderful that you don't take into account the context of this entire thread. As posted on page one:Do you care to provide passages which state this, or are you just speculating? And besides SITH stated no one was righteous. What do you believe, no one is righteous or there were some righteous?
Repentance and atonement are not the same thing.If Jesus took our sins on the cross, why did He state the following after His death?
Luke 24
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Why repent for the remission of sins, if He took them on the cross?
No one is righteous, before or after the cross, save they be given the grace of God and gift of faith. If you read "all that" rather than simply skipping it, you'd be able to understand.After all that, do you believe no one was righteous, or there were righteous ones before the cross?
Then by all means, tell us what the punishment is for sin, and how Jesus took this punishment.
Now he's probably gonna argue that Jesus didn't atone for sin since everyone dies anyways. Then he's gonna try and argue that there isn't a hell.Physical death is the punishment for sin. Very clearly stated, multiple times. Enough of the nonsense and false accusations.
Repentance and atonement are not the same thing.
It is apparent by your posts that you are neither (a) a Christian, nor (b) someone who has a basic and fundamental grasp of Christian doctrine. This is perfectly okay, so for a minute why don't you take a brief rest from cherry-picking Bible verses on google and look at the basic Christian view of the concepts of repentance and atonement, as this thread was originally intended for Biblically-literate Christians, and not as a catechesis or as a battling ground for the debate of whether or not Christ actually atoned for sin. I don't mean this in harsh expression, but simply view this as a relatively simple opportunity to teach.
It is reasonably safe to assume that the general Christian consensus is that Jesus' death and resurrection opened the gate to heaven, but it is still necessary for the individual to enter that gate. Thus, by taking up our sins on the cross, Christ ensured that repentance and forgiveness were, and are, effective.
To repent, by definition, is to "feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin." It's not to atone, which by definition, is to "make amends or reparation."
See the difference?
Christ atoned for our sins, but I repent of them, and through His death, am forgiven.
Now he's probably gonna argue that Jesus didn't atone for sin since everyone dies anyways. Then he's gonna try and argue that there isn't a hell.