Did Darwin Believe in Today's "Evolution"?

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Since in Charles Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" the world "evolution" does not even occur, did Darwin himself believe in this concept?

Seeing as the book, as Darwin himself admitted, barely touches the incomplete understanding of speciation itself, much less total genus change, was "the theory of evolution" something contrived by later academics?

Is "Evolution" actually the evolution of the theory of the theory of Darwin's speculations on mere species adaptation?

Has "Evolution" theory itself "evolved" way beyond what Darwin himself believed?

Has Darwin been hi-jacked in the same manner as Plato and the Bible by the wealth and power seeking of modern academia and its press for marketable profit and mental influence of people?

Is "Evolution" actually a well accepted global myth that Darwin himself would reject as an overextension and never did teach with with such intent?
 

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Since in Charles Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" the world "evolution" does not even occur, did Darwin himself believe in this concept?

Seeing as the book, as Darwin himself admitted, barely touches the incomplete understanding of speciation itself, much less total genus change, was "the theory of evolution" something contrived by later academics?

Is "Evolution" actually the evolution of the theory of the theory of Darwin's speculations on mere species adaptation?

Has "Evolution" theory itself "evolved" way beyond what Darwin himself believed?

Has Darwin been hi-jacked in the same manner as Plato and the Bible by the wealth and power seeking of modern academia and its press for marketable profit and mental influence of people?

Is "Evolution" actually a well accepted global myth that Darwin himself would reject as an overextension and never did teach with with such intent?

Darwin obviously didn't have the benefit of the knowledge we have today. With that said, I think Francis Collins sums up well, how Darwin's basic theory has not only stood the test of time, but has been strengthened.

Karl Giberson: One of the things I appreciate a lot about Darrel Falk, who I think is a courageous voice in this conversation, is that he will come out and say that common ancestry is simply a fact. And that if you’re not willing to concede that the genetic evidence points to common ancestry than you’re essentially denying the field of biology the possibility of having facts at all. That’s the strong language that he uses.

Would you say that common ancestry and evolution in general is at that level? How compelling is the evidence at this point?

Francis Collins: The evidence is overwhelming. And it is becoming more and more robust down to the details almost by the day, especially because we have this ability now to use the study of DNA as a digital record of the way Darwin’s theory has played out over the course of long periods of time.

Darwin could hardly have imagined that there would turn out to be such strong proof of his theory because he didn’t know about DNA - but we have that information. I would say we are as solid in claiming the truth of evolution as we are in claiming the truth of the germ theory. It is so profoundly well-documented in multiple different perspectives, all of which give you a consistent view with enormous explanatory power that make it the central core of biology. Trying to do biology without evolution would be like trying to do physics without mathematics


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Since in Charles Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" the world "evolution" does not even occur, did Darwin himself believe in this concept?

Darwin used the term "descent with modification", and that is still central to the theory of evolution. The basics of the nested hierarchy, natural selection, and biogeography that Darwin discovered and discussed are still a part of the theory.

What Darwin got wrong was the basic genetic mechanisms of heredity and the production of new variation. However, if Darwin were able to be brought into the modern age and learn everything we have discovered in the last 100 years, I think he would have no problem with it being part of the theory he started.

Which part of the modern theory do you think Darwin would have a problem with?
 
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Since in Charles Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" the world "evolution" does not even occur, did Darwin himself believe in this concept?

1872. The origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. London: Murray. 6th ed. Text Image PDF F391
 
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Darwin obviously didn't have the benefit of the knowledge we have today. With that said, I think Francis Collins sums up well, how Darwin's basic theory has not only stood the test of time, but has been strengthened.

Karl Giberson: One of the things I appreciate a lot about Darrel Falk, who I think is a courageous voice in this conversation, is that he will come out and say that common ancestry is simply a fact. And that if you’re not willing to concede that the genetic evidence points to common ancestry than you’re essentially denying the field of biology the possibility of having facts at all. That’s the strong language that he uses.

Would you say that common ancestry and evolution in general is at that level? How compelling is the evidence at this point?

Francis Collins: The evidence is overwhelming. And it is becoming more and more robust down to the details almost by the day, especially because we have this ability now to use the study of DNA as a digital record of the way Darwin’s theory has played out over the course of long periods of time.

Darwin could hardly have imagined that there would turn out to be such strong proof of his theory because he didn’t know about DNA - but we have that information. I would say we are as solid in claiming the truth of evolution as we are in claiming the truth of the germ theory. It is so profoundly well-documented in multiple different perspectives, all of which give you a consistent view with enormous explanatory power that make it the central core of biology. Trying to do biology without evolution would be like trying to do physics without mathematics

Yes, but like "evolution" itself this is just presumed as "fact", yet there is genetic research that also shows speciation itself is an arduous process; adaptations just touch the fringe of the genome, to change the core is not even near the same process. My rationale is evolution theory is insufficient to explain the genome base set, way way insufficient.

And speciation is nothing near the "evolution" of a new genus, much less a whole family, and so on, it is logically ridiculous and requires a mythical mindset to simply ignore the true complexity and layering of even the most basic genome, much less all of them in the "kingdom". Its like saying seemingly related nuts and bolts equate a lawn mower to a satellite as a spontaneous evolution. Its called fiction.

It is impossible that the whole thing started from one strand of DNA, unless their is a super-natural answer. It is impossible to have multiple "kingdoms", "domains", "phylums", "classes", "orders", "familes" based on mundane "evolution" as taught today. Even genus transformation is impossible without GMO (not even now) or "God".

But species variation is what even Darwin concluded that his understanding was minuscule, and for good reason, it is just the fringe of the genome.

"Adaptation" alone never will create a new entire genus of a species, much less a class or order, it is too deep in the DNA design, it had to be there from the beginning in a set of "kinds" not understood whatsoever today but what is recorded in Genesis as a basic framework.

Thus this is like saying Freud has given us insights greatly backed by neuroscience. In fact Freud had an incomplete understanding of the brain, and many of his "theories" are not present in brain function in the manner he speculated, such as in speech and writing "centers" in the brain. Freud was a hack, nothing more, with all due respect, a dated dolt exposed by later science as much a fraud as modern "Psychiatry" and its whole warped history.

So in this speculation I am saying Darwin is as applicable to modern genetics as Freud is to modern neuroscience. In reality there is no, little or totally erred "connection". Anything from the 1800s is of course just musings of hackers of the time, even earlier Newton was greatly updated by Einstein, but the end result of the truth of physics was forever altered away from the Newtonian model.

But physicists admit it now, because it is becomes impossible to support myths with hard sceince, unlike "evolutionists" who have no hard science because it is a myth they still try to support in spite of genetic research that is now toppling the whole "phylum class order family genus species" classification system as an archaic guess at best. The WHOLE model is being called into question by the real architecture of DNA and the real sub-structures of the genome.

The genetic model does not support the whole "kingdom, domain" model, in important ways it contradicts it, in the core DNA of all species. In time the whole model would need to be greatly updated, as severe as what befell Newtonian physics. In fact the whole model will probably be scrapped in time.

Just as Newton described gravity, it did not apply as thought to the quantum worlds. And the same thing with Darwin, his ideas do not actually correspond to the true origin of core genome variation.

This is why truly advanced genetic and genome understanding and "the evolutionists" will increasingly conflict as the evolutionists are taken apart by the real story of DNA and the genome engine.

By real hard science, evolution "understood" today has to go the way of Newton, but true genomic reality is what will plow them over by undisputable principles of how the genome "engine" actually works, it is an "onion" of complexity, in "strand" form.

Origin of "Species" is not the same as the origin of the whole "kingdom", not close, and THAT is all Darwin was trying to describe a theory of: speciation. It took evolution fantasists to try to extend this to the whole phylum class order family genus reality, which is of course simply impossible without an external cause, even at the origin. Hence GMO, is the only way man can try to make "evolution" work, and that is artificial and limited.

They distort Darwin, to try to establish their own mythical fantasy that never has been subjected to hard empirical science, but to creative writers like Dawkins, but now it is being subjected to the real science of the genome set.

In time science proves the only answer is a "God", hence why in resisting the answer, they have come upon it, it is now the only way to bridge the genome gap in modern evolution theory. It is not a "missing link" it is an entire missing matrix of MILES of genomic prototypes, PLURAL. There is no such thing as a "missing link".

It is all accepted myth by academic backing of the delusion, merely name dropping "Darwin" to give it credibility, by mostly lazy tenured loafers who are not going to take a bite out of their own paycheck, science itself will have to replace them with the more realistic model, but in time because it doesn't quite work.

Unlike the science that replaced Newton, the genetic science took more time to prove "on paper" to demonstrate the true magnitude of the "magic" that "evolution" assumptions require to actually "work".

Modern evolutionists are now simply totally bypassing HUGE GENOMIC REQUIREMENTS, by use of mythology and fuzzy fantasies. Unfortunate for the old school "evolutionist" their bad DNA of the basis of their fantasy is now being literally unraveled in the hard lab, not in their mental fantasies, by the true layering and complexity of the global genome set. They had to keep learning, rather than eating pie at the student union the rest of their stalled lives, or they could understand the basic problems the genome complexity and architecture now lays bare: the require a miracle to make evolution work in the coming days.

In reality, science develops to the point to prove God's existence as the only answer, and the answer to their folly of try to disprove his existence. Darwin was not an atheist.

The funny thing is evolutionists simply never evolve with their own backing sciences, because the genome is toppling their assumptions, just as the atomic sciences toppled certain Newtonian overextensions made by others in the following two centuries of the waves of dolts and wannabees that finally, FINALLY led to Einstein.

To continue to just accept the evolution myth as it stands today, one has to continue to devolve intellectually and actually ignore what the genome matrix is saying as it is being reverse engineered. The evolutionists of today are like the physicists and doctors of the 1800s to early 1900s after Newton, in time Einstein turned them on their ear, and the real genomic model will do the same thing to "modern evolution", it will prove its total fantastic impossibilities.

There has to have been a "genome matrix" base set to as the "origin", and it has to be affected by intelligent energy beyond just the confines of the Milky Way. In time the genome will speak for itself, evolution will go extinct in the process. It simply never has worked well for a number of reasons, the scientific ones are what will bring on its coming "ice age", it is a dinosaur of thought.
 
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Darwin used the term "descent with modification", and that is still central to the theory of evolution. The basics of the nested hierarchy, natural selection, and biogeography that Darwin discovered and discussed are still a part of the theory.

What Darwin got wrong was the basic genetic mechanisms of heredity and the production of new variation. However, if Darwin were able to be brought into the modern age and learn everything we have discovered in the last 100 years, I think he would have no problem with it being part of the theory he started.

Which part of the modern theory do you think Darwin would have a problem with?

The "evolution" part.

phylum class order family genus species

Talking on species adaptations to the point of new species is one thing, bridging that up the ladder of "species" in general, to everything, is quite another.

I say Darwin did not teach evolution whatsoever, he demonstrated ideas on speciation, that others have over-extended into higher orders of difference that cannot simply adapt into whole new genus, family, orders, etc, on the same concept.

Darwin talked about painting a car a different color, not it "evolving" into the Space Shuttle "just as easily" as it changed color. That is where limited human understanding of the genome design came into play.

They have overextended the adaptation concept as originally intended by Darwin, imo.
 
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1872. The origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. London: Murray. 6th ed. F391

What I am postulating is speciation and the role of "natural selection" in it is not sufficient to build a theory of a theory of Darwinian adaptation now called "evolution".

There is basis in 'On the Origin of Species" to provide a theoretical framework of species, but not one of the whole new genus, it is simply not "adaptation" that can create a whole new genus, but adaptation, selection, and heredity can affect the species and sub-species levels, that is all.

Therefore my speculation is what "evolved" was attempting to over extend Darwinian speciation, as if it is a means to whole new orders and phylum. Its like saying since we can fuse hydrogen into helium, its just as easy to fuse hydrogen into uranium. It is a related concept, but it is totally impossible without super-advanced atomic energy control.

Same thing with the idea of whole speciation, it is not applicable to all species, just variations within the already established genus. To think one can just extend Darwin's basic ideas to the totally fantastic proportions modern evolution attempts to pull off, that worked on the 19th century mind due to ignorance, is in direct contradiction to what defines the genome from one genus to another, and it only gets deeper the farther up the ladder one goes.

Just because a rabbit and crocodile have four legs, does not indicate where that directive is contained in the DNA code depth, it is multi-layered, the deeper layers cannot be changed by adaptation dynamics alone, just as hydrogen cannot easily become uranium by natural earthly processes alone unless extreme energy and pressure are exerted.

In a similar concept one cannot change a cat into a frog by the mechanism evolution claims exist in magical form, because that is the only thing that can float evolution. Even evolution, if we accepted its fantastic claims, requires a God to have provided that "magic" which the mythologist of evolution are using to try to tell us the core of DNA can easily be changed by simple adaptation.

If that was the case we would have no recognizable "species" that maintained their "identity" while millions of others continued to "evolve" yet all of them also retain their identity today, it is a conundrum. Thus everything has a "missing link" that cannot be found, because it does not exist, in fact a whole chain of "missing links" is "missing".

Everything is in a state of completion, nothing morphing, the "link", even exists now, it is totally fantasy to say these things have ever existed, nothing is caught "between" two genus in the living record, and the genome mapping is proving how the whole classification system of biology is deeply flawed, based on appearences, NOT the DNA's actual relationship of one genus to another.

Thus in reality NOTHING around is actually "evolving", it is merely adapting to its environment in minute ways. Chimps simply forgot to evolve, and had they actually evolved it could be in a million new directions, but not one of them actually exists.

Even "evolution" as it stands today, hardly a "theory", would require divine assistance to actually "work", just as the heavy metals required external "assistance" in the universe to exist on earth for the most part.

There is far more to the "created" or "evolved" "according to their kinds", each "kind" would require divine assistance to bridge the "missing link" gap which in the genome and DNA design is far deeper than evolutionists imagine due to the inertia of this error.

Thus one will have to ignore the greatest breakthroughs of genome understanding, to continue to float the enormous evolution myth, all the "prototypes" have had to already exist in "creation" whether by direct installation, or controlled "evolution", it could not "evolve" on its own, even evolution, for it to actually work in the reality of the genesis of the genome, requires God.

No matter what route man takes to escape God, they always seem to arrive on his doorstep. Science is what will also prove God exists, he is the only answer, human fantasy can only work for so long, but ironically, in it, is actually man's devolution away from the "image" he was actually originally designed in.

Evolution is a fantasy that is like a spiritual cancer, it is actually helping redesign man into another "image", one based on actually a "lie", a delusion so strong as to become reality, only in fantasy.

I do not think Darwin believed in "evolution", nor was that the intended direction he was taking. Hence why Darwin was not an atheist, and why "evolution" cannot be found in 'On the Origin of Species'. Modern academics have put the words in his mouth, imo. Modern genetics is also proving why it is not so easy to even produce a new genus, its definition exists too deep in the genome to have been simply affected by adaptation which affects only the fringes of that multi-tiered engine.

Geneticists that discard the constraints of the "evolution" fantasy are those who will morely clearly see what the DNA depth is really indicating. Those designing potatoes and gold fish will just continue in the inertia of a global delusion known as "evolution".

The basic concept of what it actually takes for unique genome generation in the real world (which is being, and will be, empirically proven) flies in the face of the magnitude of the required leap in evolution; a "leap" in evolution now based on non-empirical, thus actually baseless claims; fantasy is what evolution is built upon, no actual science but visuals, imagination and creative writing, its a mythical based claim not an actual science. Basically the documentation of the genome matrix realities has to prove evolution is truly imaginary as it stands today, it is bridging gaps to bypass the requirements to even produce a unique genus, by the use of what is now just total fantasy.

Evolution and advanced genetics will end up totally incompatible, the evolution myth, will have to give way to the reality of what it took to produce genome design relatively quickly. Even in 100 trillion years, evolution as it stands today, full of its now revealing massive holes, would never work alone, it would require designed assistance.
 
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If you're suggesting that Darwin didn't know about the idea of common descent, this was something that people had already proposed. His contribution was to posit "natural selection" as the mechanism. In "Origin of the Species" he even says things like, "What can be more curious than that the hand of a man, formed for grasping, that of a mole for digging, the leg of the horse, the paddle of the porpoise, and the wing of the bat, should all be constructed on the same pattern, and should include the same bones, in the same relative positions?"

Apparently, he thought at least _these_ species were all related. One might pick out two species, arbitrarily, and ask, "Did Darwin know these were related?" and observe that he didn't mention them in connection with one another. But clearly, common descent was an important part of his thinking.
 
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There is basis in 'On the Origin of Species" to provide a theoretical framework of species, but not one of the whole new genus, it is simply not "adaptation" that can create a whole new genus, but adaptation, selection, and heredity can affect the species and sub-species levels, that is all.

Why? Other than your incredulity, what do you offer as a mechanism that halts adaptation at the species level?
 
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Why? Other than your incredulity, what do you offer as a mechanism that halts adaptation at the species level?

At the genus level, and after. The complexity and multi-layering of the DNA depth is why genus cannot "super-adapt" according to the same concept as adaptation in a base species. Its too big of a change, in relation to the limited age of the species. This is also why there are millions of "missing links", the never did exist in the first place.

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I am not trying to be incredulous, I am trying to demonstrate how visually driven "science", like "evolutionary psuedo-biology" is the incredulousness now facing hard DNA data (and its very real structures) being embodied in the genomic reality of that data.

So in the current taxonomic model (Wiki-Biological classification):

We see this:

(1)
"With the introduction of the cladistic method in the early 20th century, formalized by Willi Hennig in the mid-20th century, phylogenetic taxonomy in which organisms are grouped purely on inferred evolutionary relatedness (based either on classical evidence of morphology, chemistry, physiology, ecology or molecular evidence or both) has become common in biology.


And now we see this:

(2)

Molecular phylogenetics, which uses DNA sequences as data, has driven many recent revisions and is likely to continue doing so.

Thus "inferred evolutionary relatedness (based either on classical evidence of morphology, chemistry, physiology, ecology or molecular evidence" has unfortunately been based on literally visual assessment and imagined relatedness to arrive at that "inference".

It becomes, in time, based on opinion of "this looks like that so it must be this which also looks like that", which opinions turn into myths disguised as "inferred evolutionary relatedness".

Now this:

"Molecular phylogenetics, which uses DNA sequences as data" which "has driven many recent revisions" is able to make those "revisions" because real DATA from real DNA mapped structures are making those changes necessary, not by guess work, but by genomic realities unfolding daily.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVOLUTIONISTS ARE BEING CONFRONTED BY HARD DATA, in the DNA and the genome itself, that is now calling into question much of the taxonomic structure "and is likely to continue doing so." And with that those "inferences" will be flushed as well. But this will take time, be patient.

In that development that "mechanism that halts adaptation at the species level" or "mechanism that causes adaptation at the genus level" will be, imo, closer to actually being understood. Evolution is not understanding in the least, it is total fantasy that had a time of the required ignorance to back it, but now the genome REALITY will reverse much of that fantastic tale.

All I am saying is genomic science and its actual structure based on the realities in DNA of all the species, will in time cause the current evolutionary model to be questioned more and more as this goes on.

Just because an ape "resembles" a man, does not mean in the DNA it is most closely related, a dolphin may have a more closely related brain.

Not saying this is the case, but that advanced genomic mapping and cross relationships IN THE DNA, not in the visuals, will affect the whole system of biological classification in astounding ways, imo.

Unfortunately the incredulous "evolution" inertia of literally hearsay "evidence", based on literally visual assessment, will slow down geneticists at that macro level of genomic theorization, because evolutionary precepts and pretexts obscure the actual reality in the DNA, making it harder to "see" what these things will actually be saying in the cross relatedness of the genomes.

But when they flush that evolution paradigm completely, then the clearer picture will emerge, as "many recent revisions" this has already caused, is truly just the tip of this massive iceberg yet to come.

As with hydrogen versus uranium, the DATA is what will be the impediment to modern evolution, their "explanation" will not be present in the progressive data, and what it took to program that data at that genomic depth. (also why in theory a new genus emergence requires more data than a sub-species emergence.

But again, evolutionary illusions are also affecting this assumption with their current taxonomic model, which is partly also pure fantasy, how much so remains to be seen. Deep DNA and the whole genomic picture that will emerge in time, may very well destroy all "biology", no joke, evolution may be the least of their problems)

I'm not trying to describe the new paradigm, just predicting someone will and it will turn "evolution" on its ear as far as being a random occurrence, even "evolution" required an intelligent data source, not necessarily God, but not excluding him, but that rogue angels would also have the means to understand this data and make the necessary "changes" as well.

In any event something well beyond human is needed to have programmed this data in, in the first place, it cannot just "spontaneously" produce intelligence, without base intellect as its source data store, plain and simple. You cannot get an intelligent computer from a junkyard, which is what evolution has many believing.

The more they dig into and attempt to cross assemble the whole genomic super-structure of planet Earth, the more complexity of DESIGN will emerge and has already emerged.

Data cannot simply pop out of thin air with no cause whatsoever, and now they are getting down to the actual data, not phantoms of the anti-science of evolution, and that will continue to cause problems to the modern theory of evolution, it cannot "adapt" in its present form, and it is getting buried in real data, big data, oceans of it, which is saying something else entirely.

The more of the mega-picture they paint with this real data, the more the evolution picture looks like chicken scratch, because that is exactly what it has always been.

That is the bitter reality of the extinction of evolution, it will have to adapt to describe the "master programmer" in the process, big genome data makes pure "presto" evolution literally impossible and having required pure magic.
 
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"At the present day almost all naturalists admit evolution under some form."

#1: the word 'evolution' does appear in the text.
#2: the modern theory is obviously much elaborated from Darwin's time, but I don't see any reason why Darwin would have objected to it.
 
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At the genus level, and after.

Everything above the level of species is a human made contrivance. There is nothing stopping scientists from putting gorillas, chimps, and orangutans in the same genus as humans.

The complexity and multi-layering of the DNA depth is why genus cannot "super-adapt" according to the same concept as adaptation in a base species. Its too big of a change, in relation to the limited age of the species.

Where is your evidence for this claim?

This is also why there are millions of "missing links", the never did exist in the first place.

Found them for you.

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I am not trying to be incredulous, I am trying to demonstrate how visually driven "science", like "evolutionary psuedo-biology" is the incredulousness now facing hard DNA data (and its very real structures) being embodied in the genomic reality of that data.

Then demonstrate it instead of making empty assertions.

Thus "inferred evolutionary relatedness (based either on classical evidence of morphology, chemistry, physiology, ecology or molecular evidence" has unfortunately been based on literally visual assessment and imagined relatedness to arrive at that "inference".

It becomes, in time, based on opinion of "this looks like that so it must be this which also looks like that", which opinions turn into myths disguised as "inferred evolutionary relatedness".

Then what are you talking about when you refer to "missing links"? Isn't a missing link a fossil with intermediate morphology? If you claim that there should be missing links, aren't you also saying that we can infer relatedness by using the morphology of fossils?

Now this:

"Molecular phylogenetics, which uses DNA sequences as data" which "has driven many recent revisions" is able to make those "revisions" because real DATA from real DNA mapped structures are making those changes necessary, not by guess work, but by genomic realities unfolding daily.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVOLUTIONISTS ARE BEING CONFRONTED BY HARD DATA, in the DNA and the genome itself, that is now calling into question much of the taxonomic structure "and is likely to continue doing so." And with that those "inferences" will be flushed as well. But this will take time, be patient.

Examples?

In that development that "mechanism that halts adaptation at the species level" or "mechanism that causes adaptation at the genus level" will be, imo, closer to actually being understood. Evolution is not understanding in the least, it is total fantasy that had a time of the required ignorance to back it, but now the genome REALITY will reverse much of that fantastic tale.

All I am saying is genomic science and its actual structure based on the realities in DNA of all the species, will in time cause the current evolutionary model to be questioned more and more as this goes on.

Empty assertions will not make us question anything, other than your ability to understand how science works.

Show us what is problematic in the genomic data instead of making empty assertions.

Just because an ape "resembles" a man, does not mean in the DNA it is most closely related, a dolphin may have a more closely related brain.

May?

Why don't you show that this is the case instead of making yet another empty assertion.

Unfortunately the incredulous "evolution" inertia of literally hearsay "evidence", based on literally visual assessment, will slow down geneticists at that macro level of genomic theorization, because evolutionary precepts and pretexts obscure the actual reality in the DNA, making it harder to "see" what these things will actually be saying in the cross relatedness of the genomes.

You first deride evolution because there are supposedly no missing links, now you claim that fossils shouldn't be used at all. Which is it?

The theory of evolution predicts that life should fall into a nested hierarchy, and that we should see a correlation between the phylogenies based on DNA and morphology. Why can't we use genomes and the morphology of living and extinct species to test this prediction? Testing hypotheses is exactly what science is about.

As with hydrogen versus uranium, the DATA is what will be the impediment to modern evolution, their "explanation" will not be present in the progressive data, and what it took to program that data at that genomic depth. (also why in theory a new genus emergence requires more data than a sub-species emergence.

Here is the human genome:

NCBI Human Genome Resources

Here is the chimp genome:

Pan troglodytes (ID 202) - Genome - NCBI

Please show us a comparison of those DNA sequences where evolution can not produce the observed differences through random mutation, selection, and common ancestry.

In any event something well beyond human is needed to have programmed this data in, in the first place, it cannot just "spontaneously" produce intelligence, without base intellect as its source data store, plain and simple. You cannot get an intelligent computer from a junkyard, which is what evolution has many believing.

Please show us why modern species could not evolve. We are going to need something more than your incredulity.
 
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The "evolution" part.

phylum class order family genus species

Talking on species adaptations to the point of new species is one thing, bridging that up the ladder of "species" in general, to everything, is quite another.

Phylum, class, order, family, and genus are all human constructs and don't really exist in the biological world. They are just human conveniences for grouping species.

I say Darwin did not teach evolution whatsoever, he demonstrated ideas on speciation, that others have over-extended into higher orders of difference that cannot simply adapt into whole new genus, family, orders, etc, on the same concept.

We know that you say it. The problem is that you can't demonstrate it.
 
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Odd. You'd think it would be a required course then..

Required Biology Courses

Are you saying that evolution is not taught in the required courses? If so, we are going to need to see evidence of that.

I was taught a ton of evolution in my zoology and comparative vertebrate anatomy courses. My senior seminar focused on the Grants' work on Darwin's finches which is still one of the more popular examples of evolution. Evolution was not found anywhere in the title of those courses. Just because it doesn't have "evolution" in the name of the course does not mean that it is not taught.

For the record, Collins is right. It is impossible to make sense of the genomic data without evolution.
 
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