Does God hate people?

[BobRyan]

Does God hate people? What are your thoughts?

John 3:16 "God so Loved the World that HE Gave..."

2 Peter 3 "God is not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance"

 

[BobRyan]

Sure He does. No one chooses to be tortured for all eternity. And apart from that, it's God Who put hell there in the first place, and Who made it the default destination for everyone who isn't a Christian. God could have chosen to annihilate unbelievers, or send them to a celestial penitentiary/mental hospital until they reformed, or any number of other things. But He didn't. He sends them to hell to be roasted for all eternity. That'll teach 'em!

"Fear Him who is able to DESTROY BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28

"In the presence of the Lamb AND of His holy angels" Rev 14:10

James 4:12 "He is able to save and to destroy" -- and He does both.

Ezek 18:4 "the SOUL that sins - it shall DIE"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by JesusFreak78

God hates some people as stated in Romans 9:13 (which is a quote from Malachi 1:2-3).

Romans 9:13
Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
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Is that the message of the gospel; hate...?

Hmm, why do we call the gospel the "good news" then? I personally think calling God hating me "good news" is misleading and deceptive, don't you?

Notice "the details" the text is not from Genesis - the time in which Esau actually lived - rather the text is from Malachi - long after Esau died and in Malachi 1 the HISTORY of Edom (the nation of Esau) is contrasted to the history of Israel - (the nation of Jacob) -- and those that chose idol worship and rebellion against God for almost the entire time - were not blessed in the same way as was Jacob and Israel.

The language shows God's response to rebellion vs obedience but not a hatred of Esau who was long dead for most of that history.

Esau was supposed to receive 2/3 of all that Isaac owned and Jacob 1/3 because the birthright gave Esau a doube-portion.

Instead of that - Esau received 100% of all that Isaac owned and Jacob 0.



in Christ,

Bob

 

[Rick Otto]

I would consider the personal dimension of God's hatred toward Esau to be implicit, even accepting this assertion of the broader context being general comment.
I would place it in a category along with 'holy anger' like Jesus showed with His impromptu whip on the temple moneychangers.
I would classify it as one that challenges axioms, like Isaiah 45:7:] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I just don't think it is easily possible to imagine being The Creator, so we tend to dismiss what exposes subsequent contradictions in our operative beliefs.

 

[rockytopva]

My cat is house trained. Sometimes last year i bought a litter box which was not such a good idea as he started doing his business everywhere. I had to retrain him, rather unpleasantly, to do his business outside. Now everything is back to normal. The question is... Did I hate my cat? I don't think so! I just hated his deeds, which I broke him from.

For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord... Ezekiel 18:32

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? - Ezekiel 33:11

God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. I do not believe that God hates people, but he does indeed hate wicked deeds.

 

[Strong in Him]

I would consider the personal dimension of God's hatred toward Esau to be implicit, even accepting this assertion of the broader context being general comment.
I would place it in a category along with 'holy anger' like Jesus showed with His impromptu whip on the temple moneychangers.

I don't think that God hated Esau in the sense that we mean it today, because that would contradict his nature.
I read/heard somewhere that this verse means that God chose Jacob and not Esau. But in the minds of the Hebrews, if God chose someone it was because he loved them, so if he did not choose someone, it meant he hated them.

The NT says that God IS love, and that he is also light, with no darkness in him at all. Everything that is love, is of God, and everything that is not love, or that is darkness, is not God or of God.
So I find it hard to believe that God could hate; not a person, anyway. Even in the OT God forgave people, spoke to them, told them how they could get to know him; and in the NT he sent Jesus to die for sinners.

 

[sunshineforJesus]

Well said.

Thanks so much.

 

[James Is Back]

No,He has love for all of us even the worst sinner ever.

What an amazing God He is

 

[x141]

Does God hate people? What are your thoughts?

We would not be here if he did.

 

[~Anastasia~]

We would not be here if he did.

That was my thought. Can you imagine - for a moment - if God had actual hatred toward anyone?

Anyway, my answer is that God is love. No, he does not hate people.

Using a single Bible verse, out of context at that, to try to define God is foolish (especially when every action revealing His nature shows the opposite to be true).

 

[Strong in Him]

That was my thought. Can you imagine - for a moment - if God had actual hatred toward anyone?

Anyway, my answer is that God is love. No, he does not hate people.

Using a single Bible verse, out of context at that, to try to define God is foolish (especially when every action revealing His nature shows the opposite to be true).

Absolutely.

 

[Rick Otto]

I don't think that God hated Esau in the sense that we mean it today, because that would contradict his nature.
I read/heard somewhere that this verse means that God chose Jacob and not Esau. But in the minds of the Hebrews, if God chose someone it was because he loved them, so if he did not choose someone, it meant he hated them.

The NT says that God IS love, and that he is also light, with no darkness in him at all. Everything that is love, is of God, and everything that is not love, or that is darkness, is not God or of God.
So I find it hard to believe that God could hate; not a person, anyway. Even in the OT God forgave people, spoke to them, told them how they could get to know him; and in the NT he sent Jesus to die for sinners.

Yes, thank you.
I AM using a classical definition of hatred, not the modern popular usage that presupposes an unreasoning malice, whereas God's wrath is also a witness against the popular modern use of the term "love".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, thank you.
I AM using a classical definition of hatred, not the modern popular usage that presupposes an unreasoning malice, whereas God's wrath is also a witness against the popular modern use of the term "love".

Tis an awful thing to fall under the wrath of the Almighty YAHWEH and His SON....

Luke 21:23
"Woe yet to the-ones in belly having, and to those giving suck in those, the Days.
For shall be great necessity/anagkh <318> on the land and wrath/orgh <3709> in this people."
[Daniel 12:1/Reve 6:16

Revelation 6:
16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: "Be falling upon us! and hide us! from face of the One-sitting upon the throne, and from the wrath/orghV <3709> of the Lamb
17 That came the great day of His wrath and who is able to stand".
[Hosea 10:8/Malachi 3:2/Luke 23:30]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

.........The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...........

.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for want of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal......................






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[Rick Otto]

It's a loving wrath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It's a loving wrath.

We all must be salted with fire

Malachi 3:2
"But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears?
For He [is] like a refiner's fire And like launderer's soap.

Mark 9:49
For all to-fire shall be being salted/alisqhsetai <233> (5701),

1Peter 4:12
Beloved-ones! no think it strange the in ye fireing/purwsei <4451> toward trial to ye becoming, as being strange to ye befalling

Reve 6:
16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks "be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
17 that came the great day of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'. [Hosea 10:8/Malachi 3:2/Luke 23:30]






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[98cwitr]

Would someone please read Deuteronomy 32 and come back and tell me that God loved them while saying all of that plz?

 

[sdowney717]

In thinking of this idea of hatred and love, I think the question is our being allowed to know God and Jesus for those He has saved, and Jesus not knowing those who are not saved.

Afterall, Jesus tells those headed to hell and the second death, HE NEVER KNEW THEM and tells them to depart you workers of evil.

Matt 7

21 &#8220;Not every one that saith unto Me, &#8216;Lord, Lord,&#8217; shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father who is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that Day, &#8216;Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name, and in Thy name have cast out devils, and in Thy name done many wonderful works?&#8217;
23 And then will I profess unto them, &#8216;I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.&#8217;

Matt 25

41 &#8220;Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, &#8216;Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Have you not read about us knowing Jesus that it is only for those to whom Jesus and God choose to reveal themselves that end up knowing Them? And that knowing them means they are saved.

Luke 10

21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in Spirit and said, &#8220;I thank Thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, that Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight.
22 All things are delivered to Me by My Father, and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal Him.&#8221;

And John 17 as well talks of these things.

These words spoke Jesus and lifted up His eyes to Heaven and said, &#8220;Father, the hour is come. Glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee,
2 as Thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him.
3 And this is life eternal: that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.

As far as hatred, yes God hates with divine red hot hate all workers of iniquity.

Matt 25

41 &#8220;Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, &#8216;Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

As opposed to Ephesians 1 and 2, regarding the saved elect it is taught for and addressed to all the saints (those who believe and are saved).

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, even as

4 He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
5 having predestined us to be His own adopted children by Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,

6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in His Beloved:

See He has done this for his own Glory.

And Eph 2

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

And why does He do this, the answer is in v3, Love, His great love for His elect.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

The relationship is in God knowing us, with Love towards His elect and that is why anyone gets saved by Him, due to His GREAT LOVE towards His elect. Even before they are saved, His calling regarding our election stands and they will come to know Him at the appointed time of His own choice.

 

[sdowney717]

These are some of whom the Lord hates.

Psalm 5:5 New King James Version (NKJV)

5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
You hate all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 11:5 New King James Version (NKJV)

5 The Lord tests the righteous,
But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.

Proverbs 6 New King James Version (NKJV)

16 These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17 A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
19 A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

Hosea 9:15 New King James Version (NKJV)

15 &#8220;All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
For there I hated them.
Because of the evil of their deeds
I will drive them from My house;
I will love them no more.
All their princes are rebellious.

Malachi 1:3 New King James Version (NKJV)

3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.&#8221;

 

[Emmy]

Dear Howard Cneal. Does God hate people? God is LOVE, does Love hate??
I say this with love, Howard. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
Love/Agape will overcome everything, Love will always be victorious.

 

[Rick Otto]

Love hates hatred.