Does God hate people?

[Howard Cneal]

Does God hate people? What are your thoughts?

 

[Optimax]

If God hated people.

Why would He send His Son, whom He loves to die for people?

 

[JesusFreak78]

God hates some people as stated in Romans 9:13 (which is a quote from Malachi 1:2-3).

Romans 9:13
Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

 

[Ponda]

If God hated people.

Why would He send His Son, whom He loves to die for people?

Because of his GRACE

Just because he loves us, it doesn't discount him hating us...

My retaliation would be, if he loved us, why does he send us to hell if we dont accept Jesus as our Savior

 

[Howard Cneal]

Because of his GRACE

Just because he loves us, it doesn't discount him hating us...

My retaliation would be, if he loved us, why does he send us to hell if we dont accept Jesus as our Savior

So... he loves us AND hates us?

Is he schizophrenic then? Or just having an inner conflict...?

 

[Howard Cneal]

God hates some people as stated in Romans 9:13 (which is a quote from Malachi 1:2-3).

Romans 9:13
Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

Is that the message of the gospel; hate...?

Hmm, why do we call the gospel the "good news" then? I personally think calling God hating me "good news" is misleading and deceptive, don't you?

 

[Optimax]

Because of his GRACE

Just because he loves us, it doesn't discount him hating us...

My retaliation would be, if he loved us, why does he send us to hell if we dont accept Jesus as our Savior

God does not send people to hell. They choose to go there by rejecting Jesus.


Ever thought about a person not born again being in heaven with all us Jesus nuts?

They would not be happy campers.

 

[98cwitr]

^^^No one chooses to go to Hell. God draws people to Christ, people don't draw themselves (John 6:44).

I don't find a single verse that says God hates an actual person minus the Esau bit, all verses where it says God hates something it's in reference to what people do and not people themselves. So the real question is, are we truly and ultimately defined by our actions or not.

Can God send someone that He loves to Hell? I don't think so. I think our actions define us, and when we are slaves to sin, God hates us because of it. Thankfully, the elect are saved from these things.

Everyone wants to quote John 3:16, but you must understand that the context of the "world" in that verse is only referencing the elect and not the literal world:

Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

κόσμος,n \{kos'-mos}
1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government 2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe 4) the circle of the earth, the earth 5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family 6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ 7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly 7a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort 8a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

http://greekbible.com/index.php

All in all, it's safe to state that God definitely loves those who love Him.

 

[Ponda]

So... he loves us AND hates us?

Is he schizophrenic then? Or just having an inner conflict...?

ummm... i suggest you learn what Medical Terms mean before quoting them buddy.. Schizophrenia is a mental illness when one believes they hear voices...
I suggest you learn what your talking about before commenting so poorly..

A parents always loves their children (generally) but hates it/them when they disobeys them...
Their hate in that moment does not cancel out that love. After all god is our father!!!

 

[98cwitr]

maybe bipolar, not schizo

If God is the Father of everyone, then why does John say there are children of the devil? (1 John 3)

 

[emily_elizabeth]

ummm... i suggest you learn what Medical Terms mean before quoting them buddy.. Schizophrenia is a mental illness when one believes they hear voices...
I suggest you learn what your talking about before commenting so poorly..
!

This.

And to answer the question I don't think He hates people, since it says clearly in John 3:16 that "God so loved the world". I think he hates what many choose to do because they wander far from Him.

 

[98cwitr]

^^^again, the "world" is not in the context of the literal, entire world. See ref. in post #8

 

[Ponda]

Once again, an incorrect use of a medical term, please just refrain from trying to catergorize God using terms you dont understand..

so your saying god doesnt love everyone then???
therefore he must hate them!

 

[Howard Cneal]

ummm... i suggest you learn what Medical Terms mean before quoting them buddy.. Schizophrenia is a mental illness when one believes they hear voices...
I suggest you learn what your talking about before commenting so poorly..

A parents always loves their children (generally) but hates it/them when they disobeys them...
Their hate in that moment does not cancel out that love. After all god is our father!!!

I have a degree in Psychology, so I think I know my terms thanks.

So, a good parent HATES their children when they misbehave? Wow. I guess my parents were vile, horrible, evil people since they loved me no matter what I did. They may not have liked what I did, but they still loved me.

I guess my parents are better than God... That's kind of a sad thought...

This topic asked, "Does God hate PEOPLE?" Not, "Does God hate people's ACTIONS?" There is an immense difference. I chose the wording as I did on purpose, not by accident. You said God hates PEOPLE. You are not your actions.

 

[JesusFreak78]

Is that the message of the gospel; hate...?

Hmm, why do we call the gospel the "good news" then? I personally think calling God hating me "good news" is misleading and deceptive, don't you?

I didn't say God hates all people, I gave an example from the bible that explains God does hate some people.

 

[Optimax]

So... he loves us AND hates us?

Is he schizophrenic then? Or just having an inner conflict...?

ummm... i suggest you learn what Medical Terms mean before quoting them buddy.. Schizophrenia is a mental illness when one believes they hear voices...
I suggest you learn what your talking about before commenting so poorly..

A parents always loves their children (generally) but hates it/them when they disobeys them...
Their hate in that moment does not cancel out that love. After all god is our father!!!

He probably was speaking of dissociative identity disorder—also known as "multiple personality disorder" or "split personality".

 

[Howard Cneal]

^^^No one chooses to go to Hell. God draws people to Christ, people don't draw themselves (John 6:44).

I don't find a single verse that says God hates an actual person minus the Esau bit, all verses where it says God hates something it's in reference to what people do and not people themselves. So the real question is, are we truly and ultimately defined by our actions or not.

Can God send someone that He loves to Hell? I don't think so. I think our actions define us, and when we are slaves to sin, God hates us because of it. Thankfully, the elect are saved from these things.

Everyone wants to quote John 3:16, but you must understand that the context of the "world" in that verse is only referencing the elect and not the literal world:

Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

κόσμος,n \{kos'-mos}
1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government 2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe 4) the circle of the earth, the earth 5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family 6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ 7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly 7a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort 8a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

Greek Bible

All in all, it's safe to state that God definitely loves those who love Him.

Must be nice to be one of the chosen "elect" huh? But what if you're not...? Oh well, who cares right? It'll only SEEM like an eternity in hell, right? Hmmm.

It's good that God's love is at best as good as human love, in that he loves those who love him. Jesus said even the tax collectors do the same.

 

[Ponda]

^^^again, the "world" is not in the context of the literal, entire world. See ref. in post #8

Fellow Calvinist Brother, please let us not do something that will go off topic...
(But alas i must confess i am 4 pointer Calvinist... Tuip... so to speak)

 

[Howard Cneal]

He probably was speaking of dissociative identity disorder—also known as "multiple personality disorder" or "split personality".

The term comes from Greek and means "split mind". Clearly one who loves and hates us both has a split mind. My usage was correct.

 

[Howard Cneal]

I didn't say God hates all people, I gave an example from the bible that explains God does hate some people.

What if he hates you? What then...?