More Vote Fraud That Doesn't Exist

[Veritas]

At least 81 dead people have been voting in North Carolina | The Daily Caller#!

At least 81 dead people have been voting in North Carolina over the last ten years, according to state election officials.

The North Carolina State Board of Elections indicated that voter fraud may be at play in a report Wednesday after finding 81 instances of the names of dead people on voting rolls on dates later than their deaths.

“We have fraud and error vulnerabilities in our election system,” North Carolina state Rep. David Lewis said Monday after the report’s release.

NO WAY!

Liberal opponents of voter ID laws say voter fraud is rare, and therefore it hurts lower income and minority voters by requiring them to have identification.

But the State Board of Elections reported finding other instances of potential fraud: they found 765 instances of voters in North Carolina who also voted in another state in the 2012 general election.

Based on the frequency of actual reported vote fraud and the fact that liberals consistently deny that it's a problem and extremely rare, one could logically conclude that the majority of vote fraud is committed by democrats who recognize that they've been the beneficiaries. Regardless of how "rare" it may be, if it favored republicans you can be sure that the Left would do everything in their power to stop it. #TruthBomb

 

[kermit]

It's worth noting that a) the link to the report in the article doesn't work and b) the article isn't clear whether these people actually voted or were merely on roll to be eligable to vote.

 

[stamperben]

I know that before I die I'm gonna be sure to make it my priority to take my name off the voter rolls! I don't wanna be accused of fraud when dead.

 

[JoyJuice]

Getting struck by lightening occurs too, but chances of that happening are greater then voter fraud taking place.

 

[stamperben]

Getting struck by lightening occurs too, but chances of that happening are greater then voter fraud taking place.

Hope that isn't how I meet my end. I mean that'd be tough to get off the roll that way with no warning.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's worth noting that a) the link to the report in the article doesn't work and b) the article isn't clear whether these people actually voted or were merely on roll to be eligable to vote.

Here's the real link:
http://www.ncleg.net/documentsites/committees/JLElectionsOC/2013-2014/Meeting%20Documents/April%202,%202014/SBOE_JointCommittee_April%202014.pdf

WNCN has a summary:

RALEIGH: Report points to possible voter fraud in NC - WNCN: News, Weather for Raleigh. Durham, Fayetteville

A report presented Wednesday to the Joint Legislative Elections Oversight Committee said 81 voters have a voter history later than the date of their death. The audit further identified 13,416 deceased voters on voter rolls in Oct. 13.

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In 2012, nearly 7 million ballots were cast in the general and two primary elections. Of those 6,947,317 ballots, the state Board of Elections said 121 alleged cases of voter fraud were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office.

That means of the nearly 7 million votes cast, voter fraud accounted for 0.00174 percent of the ballots.

But the State Board of Elections reported finding other instances of potential fraud: they found 765 instances of voters in North Carolina who also voted in another state in the 2012 general election.

Requiring ID's wouldn't do anything for people voting in two states - that's an issue of being registered in a place where they shouldn't be registered, not an issue of them pretending to be someone else.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Getting struck by lightening occurs too, but chances of that happening are greater then voter fraud taking place.

Perhaps we should try to avoid finding lightning strikes with the same tenacity that we avoid finding voter fraud so we could say that lightning strikes just don't occur so why bother buying a lightning rod.

 

[Veritas]

It's worth noting that a) the link to the report in the article doesn't work and b) the article isn't clear whether these people actually voted or were merely on roll to be eligable to vote.

It says that 81 dead people continued to vote for at least 10 years after their death. So they weren't just on the rolls, they actually voted.....from the grave. But wait. How do you do that? Answer: you can't. Someone else is obviously voting for them, essentially stacking the vote. What we don't know is whether those votes were cast mostly for D's or R's. How would you feel if they were for R's?

 

[Veritas]

Getting struck by lightening occurs too, but chances of that happening are greater then voter fraud taking place.

Source?

 

[JoyJuice]

Perhaps we should try to avoid finding lightning strikes with the same tenacity that we avoid finding voter fraud so we could say that lightning strikes just don't occur so why bother buying a lightning rod.

There in lies your problem, they have tried to find voter fraud. Like this one.
And they have found some, but at a lesser rate of lightening strikes.

That should help you out.

 

[iluvatar5150]

More info:

State elections officials seek tighter security :: WRAL.com

Strach also said a "10-year death audit" found 13,416 deceased voters who had not been removed from voter rolls as of October 2013. Eighty-one of those individuals, she said, died before an election in which they are recorded as having voted.

Strach cautioned that about 30 of those 81 voters appear to have legally cast their votes early via absentee ballot and then died before Election Day.

However, she said, "There are between 40 and 50 [voters] who had died at a time that that's not possible."

"We're in the process of looking at each of these to see," Strach said. "That means either a poll or precinct worker made a mistake and marked the wrong person, or someone voted for them. That's something we can't determine until we look into each case."

So, over a third of those look to be perfectly legal. The rest have yet to be investigated for simple things like human error.

 

[JoyJuice]

Source?

Here you go.

 

[kermit]

More info:

State elections officials seek tighter security :: WRAL.com



So, over a third of those look to be perfectly legal. The rest have yet to be investigated for simple things like human error.

It's worth noting that if those 30 votes were voter fraud that ID laws wouldn't have prevented it.

IMO, NC need to tighen up their election system. But that doesn't mean that it's currently a hotbed of voter fraud.

Also, how many times have we heard some large number of voter fraud cases? Conseravatives point to the story and mock liberals. When the dust settles on the story few, if any, of the cases of potential fraud are found to actually be fraud, thus confirming the stance that in-person voter fraud is extrememly rare.

My favorite one was a case where a mother miscommunicated with her daughter and send in her absentee ballot even though the daughter voted in person. The mother turned herself in.

 

[Veritas]

Here you go.

Report Exposes Brennan Center for Justice's Biased Reporting and Liberal Funding

A new report from the National Center for Public Policy Research finds the Brennan Center for Justice - one of the country's loudest opponents of voter integrity measures - to have a history of bias-driven research.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The report also discloses that the Brennan Center has received millions in funding from George Soros.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The report is the latest entry in the National Center's GroupSnoop.org series. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"The Brennan Center is on a mission to undermine support for voter integrity measures, claiming that state-level voter ID provisions will disfranchise millions of voters and that voter fraud rarely occurs. However, some of its major reports concerning voter ID measures and voter fraud are wrought with bias and have been refuted by election scholars," said National Center General Counsel Justin Danhof. [/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Vylo]

Report Exposes Brennan Center for Justice's Biased Reporting and Liberal Funding

A new report from the National Center for Public Policy Research finds the Brennan Center for Justice - one of the country's loudest opponents of voter integrity measures - to have a history of bias-driven research.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The report also discloses that the Brennan Center has received millions in funding from George Soros.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The report is the latest entry in the National Center's GroupSnoop.org series. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"The Brennan Center is on a mission to undermine support for voter integrity measures, claiming that state-level voter ID provisions will disfranchise millions of voters and that voter fraud rarely occurs. However, some of its major reports concerning voter ID measures and voter fraud are wrought with bias and have been refuted by election scholars," said National Center General Counsel Justin Danhof. [/SIZE][/FONT]

A conservative think tank, color me shocked.

 

[Veritas]

The NC situation gets more interesting.
N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of &#039;Double Voting&#039; in 2012 | National Review Online

So 35K double votes of people with same name, DOB, SS#.
I wonder if 35K people also got struck by lightening in NC in 2012?

 

[iluvatar5150]

The NC situation gets more interesting.
N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of 'Double Voting' in 2012 | National Review Online

More interesting? That was mentioned in every one of the links I provided. Did you read any of them? Why start a thread if you're not going to read the comments of the people responding to it?

So 35K double votes of people with same name, DOB, SS#.
I wonder if 35K people also got struck by lightening in NC in 2012?

The claim was, "Overly restrictive identification requirements for voters at the polls — which address a sort of voter fraud more rare than death by lightning"

Voter ID laws won't stop double voting.

 

[Boondock_Saint]

It's worth noting that a) the link to the report in the article doesn't work and b) the article isn't clear whether these people actually voted or were merely on roll to be eligable to vote.

Yes the article is clear. They did vote. And they have been voting for years. Did you read it? Cause it doesn't seem like you read it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes the article is clear. They did vote. And they have been voting for years. Did you read it? Cause it doesn't seem like you read it.

It is clear that they voted. It is not clear that they've "been voting for years."

 

[Vylo]

Voter ID laws won't stop double voting.

they have a very simple way of stopping it in my town. They make you sign your name when you vote. If someone tries to double vote, they get turned away.