Is masturbation for health reasons a sin???

[Forge3]

I don't think I could touch without lust.

 

[Michaelismyname]

I don't think I could touch without lust.

and that - is about the first "other person" who has spoken with honesty.
As the very desire to sexually gratify oneself - is a lustful self serving desire deceitful desire of the flesh .
thats the thing - one cannot trust the flesh - it is corrupt and the fleshly heart of man is wicked and

The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?

trust God not flesh

 

[LovingJesus4Life]

so are you advocating doing what ever feels good and thereby walking in the flesh

You make one fallacious statement after another. You've just equated 'doing what ever feels good' to 'walking in the flesh.'

Do you believe:

"Whatever feels good" = "Walking in the flesh"

Because that is what your argument assumes.

Is anything that feels good sinful to you? Hot showers feel good? Is it walking in the flesh to take a hot shower? This is getting so absurd. You have to first admit that there are some things that feel good which are permissible and some things that feel good that are not. Once you acknowledge that fact then you can start having a reasonable conversation.

 

[LovingJesus4Life]

firstly - we are not speaking of the marital bed -that is wholly a different topic and should remain so.

Why? Why is it a different topic? If it is sinful it is sinful.

What if a husband (like one in the army) uses the phone or video cam with his wife and masturbates? Is that sinful? See, we are ASKING YOU what is sinful and what is not...that should tell you something. YOU are not the authority yet you set yourself up as the authority. That is the mark of legalism.

 

[Michaelismyname]

Why? Why is it a different topic? If it is sinful it is sinful.

What if a husband (like one in the army) uses the phone or video cam with his wife and masturbates? Is that sinful? See, we are ASKING YOU what is sinful and what is not...that should tell you something. YOU are not the authority yet you set yourself up as the authority. That is the mark of legalism.

yet you have not once answered the scriptures posted - you ignore them .,answer to the scriptures- i am not your judge .

scroll back and read them this time ,and then explain to me what part of walking in the spirit is achieved by playing with yourself to please... who? oh ,only SELF.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Masturbation is a venial sin. Unless you are married- then it's a mortal sin (because it is adultery).

 

[revrobor]

Masturbation is a venial sin. Unless you are married- then it's a mortal sin (because it is adultery).

Frankly, that is just a stupid position taught you by the Roman Catholic church which seems to find it necessary to divide sins into various categories. There are no categories. Sin is sin.

 

[Michaelismyname]

Frankly, that is just a stupid position taught you by the Roman Catholic church which seems to find it necessary to divide sins into various categories. There are no categories. Sin is sin.

have to agree. -"to know what is right - and do it not .".

 

[Forge3]

and that - is about the first "other person" who has spoken with honesty.
As the very desire to sexually gratify oneself - is a lustful self serving desire deceitful desire of the flesh .
thats the thing - one cannot trust the flesh - it is corrupt and the fleshly heart of man is wicked and


trust God not flesh

Indeed. I do not entertain lust. For I am too weak to take not take such enticements. I have only been able to be chaste because of two things. I recognition of my weakness and of the power of God. Though I know chastity is but ashes before the feet of God if it does not lead to growth in love and humility. That is its purpose and the purpose of all individual callings. Married or single.

 

[LovingJesus4Life]

yet you have not once answered the scriptures posted - you ignore them .,answer to the scriptures- i am not your judge .

I did answer them. It's called 'question begging' to ASSUME the point up for debate. Our point up for debate is whether or not the act of masturbating is sexual immorality, so for you to quote a verse which says not to be sexually immoral while ASSUMING that it supports your view is fallacious. You are equating sexual immorality and the act of masturbating with is fallacious. You can't answer a fallacy except to call it what it is.

scroll back and read them this time ,and then explain to me what part of walking in the spirit is achieved by playing with yourself to please... who? oh ,only SELF.

Did I claim that masturbating achieved 'walking in the spirit?' Does eating a cake achieve walking in the spirit? What about your computer games or movies? Does anything you do which is for your pleasure...only for your SELF...equate to sin? Of course not. Pleasure doesn't equal sin.

 

[Michaelismyname]

I did answer them. It's called 'question begging' to ASSUME the point up for debate. Our point up for debate is whether or not the act of masturbating is sexual immorality, so for you to quote a verse which says not to be sexually immoral while ASSUMING that it supports your view is fallacious. You are equating sexual immorality and the act of masturbating with is fallacious. You can't answer a fallacy except to call it what it is.


Did I claim that masturbating achieved 'walking in the spirit?' Does eating a cake achieve walking in the spirit? What about your computer games or movies? Does anything you do which is for your pleasure...only for your SELF...equate to sin? Of course not. Pleasure doesn't equal sin.

no one said it did - but sexual immorality is wrong .

it misses the mark .. sin .."to miss the mark "
masturbation is self indulgent and sexually immoral ,it is based on lust .. yes some try to say they do not think lustfully ..but then some just lie to themselves . and then deny it .
please - ask the Holy spirit -for he guides us into all truth -we are called to walk in HOLINESS - that means to be set apart - different from the world - to not do what the wordy do - to not gratify the sinful deceitful desires of the flesh

you presently have a differing understanding of it - that will change as you surrender more of your life in obedience to the Holy Spirit and dedication to Him. and less of your life in dedication to the flesh .

we all grow - or we are cut down

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Frankly, that is just a stupid position taught you by the Roman Catholic church which seems to find it necessary to divide sins into various categories. There are no categories. Sin is sin.

The Bible alone reveals that some sins are greater then others, and to say otherwise is not only irrational but also dismisses the righteousness of God. Equating a masturbation with murder is what is stupid and I feel bad for anyone who is actually narrowminded enough to believe such a thing.

 

[revrobor]

The Bible alone reveals that some sins are greater then others, and to say otherwise is not only irrational but also dismisses the righteousness of God. Equating a masturbation with murder is what is stupid and I feel bad for anyone who is actually narrowminded enough to believe such a thing.

That is not what Jesus taught. Get your priest to look up what Jesus taught.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

That is not what Jesus taught. Get your priest to look up what Jesus taught.

Exodus 32:30-31
Moses charged the Isrealites with having committed a great sin.

1 Timothy 5:8
Paul denounces men who leave their family, committing a sin greater then an unbeliever.

John 19:11
‘He who delivers me unto you has the greater sin’


In other words, you are wrong. Where it is implied that all sins are equal to the other, it is spekaing of the Old Law in which if you stumble at just one part, you break it all.

 

[revrobor]

Exodus 32:30-31
Moses charged the Isrealites with having committed a great sin.

We are not under Old Testament laws.

1 Timothy 5:8
Paul denounces men who leave their family, committing a sin greater then an unbeliever.

Here Paul is saying "....people who don't take care of their own families are worse that those who don't have faith in the Lord." (CEV Contemporary English Version). He's calling them hypocrites.

John 19:11
‘He who delivers me unto you has the greater sin’

Here Jesus is talking to Pilot and tells him (when he asks Jesus "Don't you know I have the power to let you go or to nail you to a cross") "But the one who handed me over to you did something even worse."



In other words, you are wrong. Where it is implied that all sins are equal to the other, it is spekaing of the Old Law in which if you stumble at just one part, you break it all.

You need to get a Bible that renders the words correctly. These verses are not talking about degrees of sin.

 

[Hupomone10]

the cause/source of the negative sexual affects/effects is the beastly(666) religion/spirituality which the unrighteous spiritual servants/workers follow/practice, and namely they are those ones who first preach about the restraint from sex

Revelation 17:1-6 "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot(ie of the human(666) religion/spirituality) that sitteth upon many waters(ie which has many denominations): With whom the kings of the earth(ie with which the unrighteous clerics) have committed fornication(viz. have done religious/spiritual iniquity), and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk(ie affected) with the wine(ie with the affection) of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness(ie into the place of desolation - see Matthew 24:15): and I saw a woman(ie a spiritual/religious activity) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast(ie upon a beneficial devilish spirit of universal scale), full of names of blasphemy(ie full of false prophecies), having seven heads and ten horns(ie and many sublime clerics). And the woman was arrayed in purple(ie and she had an universal power) and scarlet colour(ie and offered many privileges), and decked with gold(ie with human glory) and precious stones and pearls(ie and sophisticated human ordinances and doctrines), having a golden cup(ie a great judgement) in her hand full of abominations(ie full of iniquities) and filthiness(ie and unrighteousness) of her fornication: And upon her forehead |was| a name written, MYSTERY(ie the occult/esoteric), BABYLON THE GREAT(ie the human(666) religion/spirituality), THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS(ie the venter of all unrighteous/bad spiritual servants/workers and villains) AND ABOMINATIONS(ie and all evils/harms) OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with(ie and i saw that she parasitizes from and sheds) the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration(ie and i wondered how is it possible the esteemed by so many people as the greatest sanctuary to be the most sinful thing in the universe)."

Blessings

So, if I understand your mixing of prophecy with this topic, the reason people touch is because of incorrect denominations?


If so, with Joel Osteen being the pastor of the largest errant church, does that make him the Master - Bater?

 

[uglytruth]

Is it ok to do if your spouse is not wanting to have sex? So long as you are thinking of her.

 

[toLiJC]

try hitting the enter key a few times amist your ramblings, someone may stop to read it

we are not murderers, and our testimony is not a death trap

So, if I understand your mixing of prophecy with this topic, the reason people touch is because of incorrect denominations?


If so, with Joel Osteen being the pastor of the largest errant church, does that make him the Master - Bater?

as a (general) rule we do not judge anyone of the humans, the system of religious/spiritual iniquity is not (so) detrimental for their servants (supposing your question is about the servants of "beastly"(666) religion), leastwise not while they still live in this world, according to the written:

Matthew 12:25-26 "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

namely the spiritual rules all things in the universe

Blessings

 

[Hupomone10]

as a (general) rule we do not judge anyone of the humans, the system of religious/spiritual iniquity is not (so) detrimental for their servants... , leastwise not while they still live in this world, according to the written:

Who are you referring to as "we"?

 

[Hupomone10]

Is it ok to do if your spouse is not wanting to have sex? So long as you are thinking of her.

Since the pro-touching yourself and pro-fantasy brethren insist that this activity is not contrary to love, and is not fleshly i.e. centered on the Self-life, I suppose one should ask his wife prior to the fantasizing if he can assume her fantasy-self is "in the mood;" and if not, the fantasy should say "no, not today," and the person should honor that and use it as an opportunity to exercise self-control.

If we don't do this, since fantasies are based on an imaginary world rather than reality, the fantasy-wife will probably always say "oh yeah! Come and get me! I WANT it, I WANT you, take me just for your own pleasure regardless of whether I feel like it or not." Therefor, the wife should always be asked prior to engaging in the fantasy.