Is masturbation for health reasons a sin???

[revrobor]

and there again is that error in your reasoning-

you see how important it is that we do not walk after the flesh to fulfill its deceitful desires .nor to use the reasoning of the flesh to justify it in opposition the the spirit ?
why ? because by that reasoning you excuse every pedophile - because it is not prohibited by scripture in that the wording (which is modernism) does not exist therein .
you use the absence of the modern word "masturbation" to excuse it -
but that is not in keeping with the Spirit of it .and we are called to walk in the SPIRIT -NOT the flesh

my friend be honest with yourself - sin is to miss the mark . masturbation is not walking after the spirit but it IS fulfilling the deceitful desire of the flesh and as such - it is sin
-----------------------------------------------
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
........................
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
***

I'm not talking about masturbation. The question asked was about sodomy or homosexual sex which is clearly prohibited by Scripture and those who don't discontinue it will never see the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[toLiJC]

paul spoke of marriage.
and there is one line at the start of all of that that disqualifies it all.

because firstly - Nothing is impossible with God
and secondly masturbation(sexual self-abuse and sexual immoral gratifying of the flesh) is not essential to life in any form or manner what so ever.

I am a man as all other men - i was once enslaved to this sin - GOD is loving and forgiving - but in us all he desires that we not only have the freedom bought by the blood of Christ - but walk in it and in the holiness of it . and So he set me free - absolutely free - from being a man who thought he would never be able to cease from this insatiable fleshly desire -to being a man that NEVER gratifies the flesh in this sinful manner as taught me by the Holy Spirit - yes it is a miracle because with God NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE .

the desires of sin full flesh are deceitful desires - deceiving us into all manner of self justifying arguments ..but they too are deceitful .
Ask the holy Spirit the truth on the matter and I assure you -he will not lead any one to do it - because it is opposed to walking in the SPIRIT . it misses the mark - hence - it is sin

don't allow yourselves to be deceived - God loves you -he will work in your his holiness by his power -if you let him, if you love him more then you love gratifying your flesh .

yes, the best sexual usage is the good sex between male and female, and the restraint therein is maybe the best solution at least as an established standard, but what if e.g. some teenager does not succeed to restrain itself after all?!, why (it) to be judged/afflicted?!, or what to say e.g. to Romeo and Juliet when they love each other, how to put bondage(-s) in their love which the true God has given them?!, and what to say to our children when they even alone see and understand the anatomy of the(-ir own) sexual organs how they have (a) contrivance for sexual self-sufficiency in themselves?!, of course when we say all this, we are against whatever misuse, but all what we are trying to accentuate here is that there is need of salvation therein, not of judgement, because (for example) what if we punish e.g. the homosexuals, and this do not heal them completely?!, no matter how consider it, (it is quite plain that) there is need of good treatment, while the method of judgement is no(-t) (longer) live

Blessings

 

[toddngod]

Someone please tell me what the difference is in having a piece of cake and masterbating; both are self-gratification and what is lust? is it just a desire to have sex? or have sex with someone particular or is it more than that? Without defining and knowing the culture when the words were used how can you know for sure what was meant? I think we could be putting on way to much restriction on behavior -though I think self-control would be advocated in this particular subject I'm not sure that it is a sin at all. And to the one who started that post, surely this has gone far away from what she needed. When you stop eating cake as well as looking at it and wanting it than maybe you will have somthing worth saying to her.

 

[phoenixdem]

Someone please tell me what the difference is in having a piece of cake and masterbating; both are self-gratification and what is lust? is it just a desire to have sex? or have sex with someone particular or is it more than that? Without defining and knowing the culture when the words were used how can you know for sure what was meant? I think we could be putting on way to much restriction on behavior -though I think self-control would be advocated in this particular subject I'm not sure that it is a sin at all. And to the one who started that post, surely this has gone far away from what she needed. When you stop eating cake as well as looking at it and wanting it than maybe you will have somthing worth saying to her.

I'm sure that you know the difference between eating a piece of cake and committing sexual sins which God strongly condemns. That difference is plainly shown in the Scriptures.

 

[back2thebible]

Not sure if this is in the right category or not...

Is it still a sin if you're not thinking lustful thoughts? Sometimes I do this when I have really bad period cramps and I was wondering if it's still a sin. :/

I like how you worded it "Is it still a sin"........I would imagine if one waits long enough nothing will be a sin in this fallen world

 

[phoenixdem]

I like how you worded it "Is it still a sin"........I would imagine if one waits long enough nothing will be a sin in this fallen world

Wow! Is it still a sin speaks volumns of meaning. I have a hard time grasping the concept that what used to be a sin is no longer a sin. I am reminded of the Roman Catholic changes to theology and the words of God that many love to bend to their own meanings.

 

[toLiJC]

Someone please tell me what the difference is in having a piece of cake and masterbating; both are self-gratification and what is lust? is it just a desire to have sex? or have sex with someone particular or is it more than that? Without defining and knowing the culture when the words were used how can you know for sure what was meant? I think we could be putting on way to much restriction on behavior -though I think self-control would be advocated in this particular subject I'm not sure that it is a sin at all. And to the one who started that post, surely this has gone far away from what she needed. When you stop eating cake as well as looking at it and wanting it than maybe you will have somthing worth saying to her.

you are right about the lost tradition, because the biblical word "fornication" in the english Bible comes from the latin words "forn" and "fornix" which literally translated are accordingly: "power(noun)/rule(verb)"(for "forn"), and "vault(-ing)(noun and verb)"(for "fornix"), besides the root of the word "forn" is "for"+"n" which means "cause of all causes", this comes from the old latin word "for" which meant "cause", and together with the old latin suffix "n"(which adds the meaning of "the most") form: "the primary cause", so, it is about something high("fornix") and powerful("forn"), and this is namely the spiritual, which is in the basis of all things in the universe, so, namely the spiritual/religious iniquity is that thing which the true Saints have called: "fornication", the same situation is also with the ancient greek word "πορνεία"(tr."porneia"), and as it can be seen, the root is the same("porn" like the latin "forn"), but with this difference that the root "πορ"(tr."por") in the greek means "port", because the ancient greek theistic philosophers compared the same thing(-s) with the sea/ocean unlike the old latin thinkers who compared it(them) with the sky/heaven (and that is why the latin root means "vault"), so that the meaning of the greek word "πορνεία"(tr."porneia") is: "worship: of idols, of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols", and the "idols" are namely the iniquities in the faith, and as it has already been explained, the sex has nothing to do with the spiritual/religious iniquity, because according to the written in the Scripture, the sex from the beginning has been made by the true God and Jesus, while the iniquity in the faith is work of the "darkness" and its spiritual servants, according to the written:

1 Corinthians 1:27-29 "God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea(viz. to confound the sublime), and things which are not(ie which are considered as nothing on the part of the world of human(666) religion), to bring to nought things that are(ie that the world of human(666) religion consider for great): That no flesh should glory in his presence."

Blessings

 

[Michaelismyname]

I'm not talking about masturbation. The question asked was about sodomy or homosexual sex which is clearly prohibited by Scripture and those who don't discontinue it will never see the Kingdom of Heaven.

and by that reasoning you are saying that something is only sin if its descriptive name is listed in the bible - and by that erroneous reasoning pedophilia is not a sin –
you see the danger. it is insidious and deceitful – just like fulfilling the “deceitful desires of the flesh “ that’s what the bible calls them – DECITFUL DESIRES.
we must walk in the Spirit and in the Spirit of the word
not worldly intellectual self excusing of that which we know to be wrong in that it is a service to the flesh and not obedient to the Holy Spirit

 

[Michaelismyname]

yes, the best sexual usage is the good sex between male and female, and the restraint therein is maybe the best solution at least as an established standard, but what if e.g. some teenager does not succeed to restrain itself after all?!, why (it) to be judged/afflicted?!, or what to say e.g. to Romeo and Juliet when they love each other, how to put bondage(-s) in their love which the true God has given them?!, and what to say to our children when they even alone see and understand the anatomy of the(-ir own) sexual organs how they have (a) contrivance for sexual self-sufficiency in themselves?!, of course when we say all this, we are against whatever misuse, but all what we are trying to accentuate here is that there is need of salvation therein, not of judgement, because (for example) what if we punish e.g. the homosexuals, and this do not heal them completely?!, no matter how consider it, (it is quite plain that) there is need of good treatment, while the method of judgement is no(-t) (longer) live

Blessings

yes - and I reiterate often of the love of God to all -but just as the law came to prove us sinners -and then having made known our guilt - conviction was brought to our hearts and those who seek truly after good then repent by acknowledging their own sin and in so doing receive the grace forgiveness and deliverance - and those that harden their heart to the truth -remain in sin
so while it is harsh to speak so and say "masturbation is sin " it is required as a part of bringing about deliverance from it - for one must first come to God(not man) and confess their sin to receive the mercy he so desires to generously bestow upon them .
God is so very GOOD

 

[Michaelismyname]

you are right about the lost tradition, because the biblical word "fornication" in the english Bible comes from the latin words "forn" and "fornix" which literally translated are accordingly: "power(noun)/rule(verb)"(for "forn"), and "vault(-ing)(noun and verb)"(for "fornix"), besides the root of the word "forn" is "for"+"n" which means "cause of all causes", this comes from the old latin word "for" which meant "cause", and together with the old latin suffix "n"(which adds the meaning of "the most") form: "the primary cause", so, it is about something high("fornix") and powerful("forn"), and this is namely the spiritual, which is in the basis of all things in the universe, so, namely the spiritual/religious iniquity is that thing which the true Saints have called: "fornication", the same situation is also with the ancient greek word "πορνεία"(tr."porneia"), and as it can be seen, the root is the same("porn" like the latin "forn"), but with this difference that the root "πορ"(tr."por") in the greek means "port", because the ancient greek theistic philosophers compared the same thing(-s) with the sea/ocean unlike the old latin thinkers who compared it(them) with the sky/heaven (and that is why the latin root means "vault"), so that the meaning of the greek word "πορνεία"(tr."porneia") is: "worship: of idols, of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols", and the "idols" are namely the iniquities in the faith, and as it has already been explained, the sex has nothing to do with the spiritual/religious iniquity, because according to the written in the Scripture, the sex from the beginning has been made by the true God and Jesus, while the iniquity in the faith is work of the "darkness" and its spiritual servants, according to the written:

1 Corinthians 1:27-29 "God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea(viz. to confound the sublime), and things which are not(ie which are considered as nothing on the part of the world of human(666) religion), to bring to nought things that are(ie that the world of human(666) religion consider for great): That no flesh should glory in his presence."

Blessings

yes in dissecting scripture until they are decimated to the point of being spiritually ineffectual in our lives we do err greatly .And to quickly the simple direct base eaning is lost in the practice of doing so .


we are called ..{and when called God enables those he calls to do what he calls them to – it is not of our own doing but is worked in us by HIS power (if we allow him to in humility and obedience due to our Love for him)}—To be HOLY

separated unto God .. separate from the world and the way of the world
not like them who follow after the carnal desire of the flesh submitting their members to serve the flesh – for to whom you submit your members to obey ,his servants you are to whom you obey –paraphrased from roms ch 6

when you gather all the scriptures together in the Spirit – a self gratifying sexual act that does nothing but serve the deceitful desire of the flesh – is so obviously and blatantly sin .

the lord Set me free from it by his death on the cross – yet for years I struggled and strived (and sometimes I did not struggle and strive )- but backslid into it further)
yet I would NOT acknowledge it as anything but sin for to do so ,I knew would be to accept a lie .

one day after so many years –I simply asked the Lord – why do I keep returning to this sin like a dog to vomit .
and the holy Spirit spoke into my heart – with love and full acceptance and no sense of anything but peace toward me .. and he said “Michael ,you continue in it – because you love it more then you love me “! for according to the scriptures we are already set free when we are born again of water and of Spirit . we are set free from the POWER of sin.

But set free to do what ?

We are set free to choose .for before, we were PRISONERS TO SIN – but now we are freed from its destructive power in our lives . And any believer who continues in sin, having BEEN SET FREE. Are deceiving themselves and simply displaying that they love the sin(flesh) more then they love God.
Upon having this revealed to me – and fully realizing I am free – I chose to love the lord Jesus more..
By the power of truth of the lord Jesus that freedom was exercised in me and I ceased from doing it – and I do not do it any more at all ever . I have believed on the one who called me unto holiness –Jesus

For so many it is hard to hear the truth – but sorry guys A life of holiness does not include playing with your sex organs . Christ gave up heaven glory and his life for you – and you refuse to give up fiddling with yourself ?

Love not in word only but in Action – this applies also to loving God .
I assure you in Christ –
You can cease – be deceived no longer

 

[revrobor]

and by that reasoning you are saying that something is only sin if its descriptive name is listed in the bible - and by that erroneous reasoning pedophilia is not a sin –
you see the danger. it is insidious and deceitful – just like fulfilling the “deceitful desires of the flesh “ that’s what the bible calls them – DECITFUL DESIRES.
we must walk in the Spirit and in the Spirit of the word
not worldly intellectual self excusing of that which we know to be wrong in that it is a service to the flesh and not obedient to the Holy Spirit

I said nothing about pedophilia which is obviously sinful. You're attempts to be insulting are becoming annoying so I'm going to let you rant on and hang yourself with your ridiculous posts.

 

[Hupomone10]

and there again is that error in your reasoning-

you see how important it is that we do not walk after the flesh to fulfill its deceitful desires .nor to use the reasoning of the flesh to justify it in opposition the the spirit ?
why ? because by that reasoning you excuse every pedophile - because it is not prohibited by scripture in that the wording (which is modernism) does not exist therein .
you use the absence of the modern word "masturbation" to excuse it -
but that is not in keeping with the Spirit of it .and we are called to walk in the SPIRIT -NOT the flesh

my friend be honest with yourself - sin is to miss the mark . masturbation is not walking after the spirit but it IS fulfilling the deceitful desire of the flesh and as such - it is sin
-----------------------------------------------
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
........................
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
***

 

[Michaelismyname]

I said nothing about pedophilia which is obviously sinful. You're attempts to be insulting are becoming annoying so I'm going to let you rant on and hang yourself with your ridiculous posts.

no you didn't , and that is the point
you said that masturbation is not a sin based on the fact that the bible does not mention it .
so by the same reasoning you allow for pedophilia to not be a sin - because the bible does not mention it .
and just because you did not mention it does not change the fact the your reasoning is flawed.
if your going to establish your own bench mark - at least be consistent in it

and Honest

 

[toLiJC]

yes - and I reiterate often of the love of God to all -but just as the law came to prove us sinners -and then having made known our guilt - conviction was brought to our hearts and those who seek truly after good then repent by acknowledging their own sin and in so doing receive the grace forgiveness and deliverance - and those that harden their heart to the truth -remain in sin
so while it is harsh to speak so and say "masturbation is sin " it is required as a part of bringing about deliverance from it - for one must first come to God(not man) and confess their sin to receive the mercy he so desires to generously bestow upon them .
God is so very GOOD

and how shall the unrepentant/unsaved humans be saved if after all they do not repent or remain unsaved?!, according to the visible in the Scripture, it is a matter of love on the part of Lord God and His Saints, because what would happen to the perished, sick and dead people who Jesus has saved, healed and resurrected 2 millennia ago if He had then not shown love for them?!, because there was no anyone to save altogether the perished humans during that time except Jesus, and it is quite apparent that the people then were even wondered how there is at least one person who saves them completely, because there is shown how all people of israel were affected and suffered, many from diseases, other from curses, while third from deceptions in the faith, and if the Lord had not come, all those people surely would perish, so that it is not enough if there is only some inculpation, but the humans rather need effective/operative salvation, because what would it be if heretofore there were millions of hospitals, but such that there is no whatever/enough effective treatment?!, what if we testify that the sinners are sinful and the patients are sick, but they till last remain in non-salvation and perdition?!, Jesus has said: "This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."(Mark 9:29), because there is need of love("fast") and wish/intercession("prayer") for the salvation of humans unto eternal life before/in the true God and Jesus

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

yes in dissecting scripture until they are decimated to the point of being spiritually ineffectual in our lives we do err greatly .And to quickly the simple direct base eaning is lost in the practice of doing so .


we are called ..{and when called God enables those he calls to do what he calls them to – it is not of our own doing but is worked in us by HIS power (if we allow him to in humility and obedience due to our Love for him)}—To be HOLY

separated unto God .. separate from the world and the way of the world
not like them who follow after the carnal desire of the flesh submitting their members to serve the flesh – for to whom you submit your members to obey ,his servants you are to whom you obey –paraphrased from roms ch 6

when you gather all the scriptures together in the Spirit – a self gratifying sexual act that does nothing but serve the deceitful desire of the flesh – is so obviously and blatantly sin .

the lord Set me free from it by his death on the cross – yet for years I struggled and strived (and sometimes I did not struggle and strive )- but backslid into it further)
yet I would NOT acknowledge it as anything but sin for to do so ,I knew would be to accept a lie .

one day after so many years –I simply asked the Lord – why do I keep returning to this sin like a dog to vomit .
and the holy Spirit spoke into my heart – with love and full acceptance and no sense of anything but peace toward me .. and he said “Michael ,you continue in it – because you love it more then you love me “! for according to the scriptures we are already set free when we are born again of water and of Spirit . we are set free from the POWER of sin.

But set free to do what ?

We are set free to choose .for before, we were PRISONERS TO SIN – but now we are freed from its destructive power in our lives . And any believer who continues in sin, having BEEN SET FREE. Are deceiving themselves and simply displaying that they love the sin(flesh) more then they love God.
Upon having this revealed to me – and fully realizing I am free – I chose to love the lord Jesus more..
By the power of truth of the lord Jesus that freedom was exercised in me and I ceased from doing it – and I do not do it any more at all ever . I have believed on the one who called me unto holiness –Jesus

For so many it is hard to hear the truth – but sorry guys A life of holiness does not include playing with your sex organs . Christ gave up heaven glory and his life for you – and you refuse to give up fiddling with yourself ?

Love not in word only but in Action – this applies also to loving God .
I assure you in Christ –
You can cease – be deceived no longer

yes, you are right about the negative side of sex, which is not of God, but existed until now, because there were some (sexual(-ly)) foul spirits that bring many humans to such sexual affections as: homosexuality, transsexualism, paedophilia, sex mania/obsession, sex trafficking. sexual violence/abuse, etc., and it is a very good thing that you have been unburdened from such affections, because they definitely are not the best for any human, especially the afflictive which are not good at all, because many spiritual servants/workers until now thought that the people deserve such (a) fate, but actually there is no a human who deserves to be a victim of the spiritual/religious iniquity, the having sex is nothing in the faith, the abstinence from sex also is nothing therein, but the effective work on saving the humans in the true God and Jesus is definitely something, according to as it is written:

Galatians 5:6-14 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love..... For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.",

so, it is good for the believers to ask themselves the question: are love we truly the neighbour, or judge it only because of something which is not harmful to any human except (to) it itself at worst?!, and if Jesus and His disciples (that are visible in the books of New Testament) never judged anyone of the humans, why must we judge someone of them instead of saving them as (well as) the true Saints have always done?!

i also prefer not to have sex at all than to have troubles, but regardless of whether we did or not, it remained the quite obvious need of complete salvation which many people even unto this hour had, and they were maybe millions or billions until now, what are the doctors if they do not heal the patients?!, so the spiritual servants also are nothing if they do not save (enough) the unsaved people

Blessings

 

[Hupomone10]

If a man has sex with another man, but is thinking about his wife while he does it, is it ok, or less carnal?

I don't believe your question is serious. But just in case, that would be homosexual sex which is prohibited by Scripture.

The point is, merely what we think in our minds doesn't make a separate physical activity either right or wrong, and may have nothing to do with the legitimacy of the act. On the one hand, if I play golf and in my mind I am fantasizing about playing tennis, it doesn't mean the playing of the golf is wrong. On the other hand, if I am stealing someone's laptop and fantasizing that I am doing it to provide for the poor, it doesn't mean the stealing is neutral.

And in both cases, what would we say about me? That I am living in an imaginary world, and maybe I need to consider counseling since I can't live in reality.

The person who believes he has to touch due to physical need and then needs to have fantasies, even about his wife, is fooling himself. The brain doesn't have hunger needs the way the body does. We do need food, and so we eat. But you don't need masturbation the same way you need food. And if one has to fantasize while doing it, he is meeting a desire of the mind, not the body.

Such living in an imaginary world is certainly not walking in the Spirit. To have to imagine a thing that is not true in order to fulfill a physical action effectively is a delusion; and God wants us to live in reality, not delusion.

Proverbs encourages us to not just look at what is right vs. wrong, but to ask the question "is it wise." The fact that masturbation is a doorway to pornography - either the mind or actual internet or magazines - means it is an issue of wisdom to avoid it, especially the fantasies. The conscious mind may say "it's ok as long as I fantasize about my wife;" but the subconscious will many times do the rest of the work. It cares not about values, but only about satisfying the physical and emotional desires of the host. One fantasy is no different from another; and since it is the subconscious that is in control when a man is living by feeling, it is just a matter of time before the mind suggests other fantasies. To it, a fantasy is a fantasy.

When we cannot find clear justification in the Word, let us still walk in wisdom. "Is it wise?"

 

[Unix]

Spending money and time on entertainment and TV is not wise - so I don't. Masturbation is much wiser.

 

[Michaelismyname]

yes, you are right about the negative side of sex, which is not of God, but existed until now, because there were some (sexual(-ly)) foul spirits that bring many humans to such sexual affections as: homosexuality, transsexualism, paedophilia, sex mania/obsession, sex trafficking. sexual violence/abuse, etc., and it is a very good thing that you have been unburdened from such affections, because they definitely are not the best for any human, especially the afflictive which are not good at all, because many spiritual servants/workers until now thought that the people deserve such (a) fate, but actually there is no a human who deserves to be a victim of the spiritual/religious iniquity, the having sex is nothing in the faith, the abstinence from sex also is nothing therein, but the effective work on saving the humans in the true God and Jesus is definitely something, according to as it is written:

Galatians 5:6-14 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love..... For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.",

so, it is good for the believers to ask themselves the question: are love we truly the neighbour, or judge it only because of something which is not harmful to any human except (to) it itself at worst?!, and if Jesus and His disciples (that are visible in the books of New Testament) never judged anyone of the humans, why must we judge someone of them instead of saving them as (well as) the true Saints have always done?!

i also prefer not to have sex at all than to have troubles, but regardless of whether we did or not, it remained the quite obvious need of complete salvation which many people even unto this hour had, and they were maybe millions or billions until now, what are the doctors if they do not heal the patients?!, so the spiritual servants also are nothing if they do not save (enough) the unsaved people

Blessings

may i ask are you using some form of translation?

not that it matters ..

you are right in what you are saying .God loves us -deeply -he displayed that in Christ Jesus - but what is love if it does not work to set us free from the bondage of sinful flesh ?that would notbe love at all.
But he does set us free .
- but how can a person allow themselves to walk in the freedom except they lift up the eyes of their heart and and recognize their true state - and say ..i am in a prison ..lord show me the way out that you have made for me .. and then obey.. it is all love
what is not love is when one says -my prison is not a prison, leave me here. this shows disdain for the great and immeasurable love of God - and must be turned away from in repentance

 

[Michaelismyname]

Spending money and time on entertainment and TV is not wise - so I don't. Masturbation is much wiser.

Proverbs 26:4

 

[Unix]

So, do You have a TV?

1994 GNB Anglicised Version: If you answer a silly question, you are just as silly as the person who asked it.

Proverbs 26:4