Update on Fr. John Corapi

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From that response:
Regarding the charge of sexual impropriety—This song of greed has been sung many times before. I have never had any promiscuous or even inappropriate relations with her. Never.​

Did she claim it was with her? Or with women? From what I remember, it was the latter, and people assumed it was with her.

This is an example of obfuscation . . the statement may be true, but it does not address the accusation of sexual impropriety.

I can't believe anything he said in that statement.
 
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From that response:
Regarding the charge of sexual impropriety—This song of greed has been sung many times before. I have never had any promiscuous or even inappropriate relations with her. Never.​

Did she claim it was with her? Or with women? From what I remember, it was the latter, and people assumed it was with her.

This is an example of obfuscation . . the statement may be true, but it does not address the accusation of sexual impropriety.

I can't believe anything he said in that statement.

No assumption. The contents of the letter were made public in Corapi's complaint. She claimed he had relations with her, her sister, and another woman.
 
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No assumption. The contents of the letter were made public in Corapi's complaint. She claimed he had relations with her, her sister, and another woman.

Lord have mercy.

Neal,

Inquisitive minds would like to know:

If that letter were to have been kept in confidence, then how did Corapi obtain a copy and then put it in his complaint? Who leaked it to Corapi?
 
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One more thing to add, the lady making the claims is the prostitute who says they did drugs together. I would imagine that all of this would have been privileged information had Father Corapi not moved forward with a civil suit which made all of this public domain long before SOLT made their statement...

http://www.snapnetwork.org/PDF_files/RedactedCharge.pdf

If you were ashamed of the details getting out, why would you take it public and not keep it within canonical bounds? Just thinking out loud...
Why would a priest bribe someone with $100,000 to sign a rigid and strange non disclosure agreement, abridging their rights to go to the bishops with information the Church requires we supply to Bishops?
 
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No assumption. The contents of the letter were made public in Corapi's complaint. She claimed he had relations with her, her sister, and another woman.

And where does it say explicitly that she was the prostitute? According to what I read elswhere, she functioned something like a personal secretary . .
 
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And sometimes those who minister become those who solicit. And, for SOLT to claim directly that that was done here...there must be some evidence.

They say they wanted to dig deeper but the civil lawsuit prevented it but to make that direct accusation in yesterdays statement and say they have proof...

Yes and they clearly state they have proof and state the nature of the proof.

I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve them. I have every reason to disbelieve Fr Corapi's protestations of innocence.
 
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Yeah taking advice from a SOLT and then they throw you under the bus. Great place

That's assuming the claim by Corapi is true or is as stated.

At this point, that's a HUGE assumption.

This problem is Corapi's doing from beginnig to end.


The SOLT had to defend itself against his public attacks. He provoked the objective need for disclosure of the findings thus far.


They did not throw him under a bus.


He threw himself under a bus of his own making.
 
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I'm in the military and that is a common phrase. If what he is saying is true, that is a pretty valid statement... If he is playing poor souls who want to believe him, then may God have mercy on his soul.

May God have mercy on his soul indeed.
 
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Don't you find that odd? After the investigation had stopped they stated that they, "...had not arrived at any conclusion as to the credibility of the allegations under investigation," and, "... that Fr. Corapi had not been determined guilty of any canonical or civil crimes. If the allegations had been found to be credible, the proper canonical due process would have been offered to Fr. Corapi." Now suddenly, even though they stated the evidence was not found to be credible, they let loose with it anyway. I agree with Michie, I don't know who to trust, the whole thing is sad and scandalous, and I pray for a holy resolution to this mess because the Lord works good from evil.

They did not say the evidence had not been found to be credible. Your statement above is they had not arrived at any conclusion as to the credibility of the allegations.

That is not the same thing as saying they had not found credible evidence.

How much time has gone by since Fr Corapi first made all this public on ASH WED?

Do you not think that perhaps they were able to garner evidence since then?

Sounds to me like even though Corapi tried to stop the Church's investigation by filing a civil suit, they were still able to come by evidence to determine his guilt. But the investigation, including talking to Fr Corapi, had been hamstrung.

Just because they were not able to talk to the people they wanted to, just because Fr Corapi refused to talk to them, that does not mean they were unable to gather evidence through other avenues. Sounds like that is exactly what they did, and discovered his guilt.

Sounds to me pretty clear who to trust. The SOLT would not come out with an official statement if they did not have the goods to back it up.
 
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I would say SOLT is most definitely not credible and no doubt they has pressure from some evil source to throw him under the bus after they defended him

That is calumny in action.

Such is the fruit of following the "cult of personality" the "personality" is lifted high on a pedestal and anyone who dares to speak against them for wrong behavior is demonized by the "personality's" followers - even if it means attacking the Church Herself.
 
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You are missing a lot of things in your assessment. Those things you are so fast to accuse him of he did not do in a vacuum by himself, he had advice from a Bishop, the head of SOLT and canon and regular lawyers

He lied. . .. he claimed his innocence. He attacked the Church. The SOLT has the evidence to show he lied and is guilty of what he is accused of.

His lying behavior has nothing to do with anyone but himself. His using drugs, involving himself sexually with women, breaking his viow of poverty etc had nothing to do with anyone else in the Church but himself.

Period.

End of story.


When his followers blindly defend him in his lying ,and accuse those who defend themselves against his accusations, this shows the dangers of the "cult of personality" - it is spiritually dangerous.

All this pointing fingers at anyone else in the Church is simply deflecting off the real issues surrounding Fr Corapi and his behavior which makes him unfit for ministry.
 
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There is a truth that is unholy, though it be perfectly true, depending upon whose lips it comes from. As we know, Satan quoted truth from the scriptures when he tempted Jesus. Yesterday's gospel was a timely reminder, where Our Lord told the apostles that if a house did not receive their words, to shake the proverbial dust and get their boots a-walking! ;) By way of teaching discernment, He said their peace would return to them if the house was unworthy.

Truly spiritual persons can detect the serpent's tail with an ease and frequency that is remarkably accurate. Truth being narrated is not the requisite for belief, as if words alone had power to influence. Rather, the narrator's tone is evident underlying the words.

Father Michael Scanlon spoke so beautifully to end the Franciscan University presentation yesterday. It is the Holy Spirit bearing witness in our hearts and lifting us to realms of inspiration that bring light, peace, wisdom, comfort, joy. When the words we encounter bring the spirit into disgust as we touch upon their condescension, arrogance, condemnation, and contempt, although they be written in truth, it is the unmistakable mark of the enemy.
 
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"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad, for great is your reward in the heavens."​

If one wishes to demonize me through insinuation, backhanded statements and sig lines, so be it. Says more about the one doing so than anything else.

Moving on:

Here is an interesting post by Fr Longenecker regarding the SOLT statement and addresses a lot of questions people have had about it (emphasis mine):

Standing on My Head: Why I Believe the SOLT Statement
Wednesday, July 06, 2011
Why I Believe the SOLT Statement
There are some folks out there who are still sticking up for John Corapi and saying that the charges have not been proven, that they may not be true, that he never took a vow of poverty, that SOLT superiors are jealous, that this is a freemason plot against Corapi, that this is a plot by the homosexuals against orthodox priests, that the Bishop and SOLT are trying to 'throw Corapi under a bus' etc. etc. etc.

Let me explain how the church works and why I believe the SOLT statement. First of all, the church authorities keep files on their clergy. Every complaint is filed away and not only kept, but kept private. It is kept private for all sorts of good reasons. First of all, no one should be convicted of wrong doing based on a private (and often anonymous complaint) Secondly, no one should be convicted of wrong doing simply because they might have fouled up and made a little mistake. Thirdly, wrong doing for a priest may not be criminal and while he might be a bad priest, he may not have done anything that bad. Catholics may lament what he's done, and he may have hurt people, but it may not be something he can be prosecuted for--or for that matter even disciplined by the church for.

When the church (and other authorities) keep these files they do so to keep an eye on things. Usually there is far more than meets the eye, and far more than they can disclose publicly for legal reasons and for reasons of discretion, fairness to the accused and the desire not to cause scandal and outrage amongst the faithful. I happen to know of several cases where the priest or religious were finally caught and brought to trial or disciplined by the church authorities and the thing they were disciplined for was only the tip of the iceberg. However, due to legal and disciplinary procedures, they were only tried on the particular case. People in the know, however, realized that the particular man had a great fat file back in the offices of all sorts of other complaints, hints, problems and red flags which on their own may not have been criminal or worth disciplining, but taken together made them know the man was guilty.​

He goes on to give an example of a case that built over time, then exploded, then says:
they could not go public on any of the other stuff they had on him because it was circumstantial, rumors, complaints or simply not criminal even though it was creepy. I've known dioceses and schools and religious orders that have behaved like this too. They've kept the rumors and complaints under wraps because they honestly can't do much about it until the whole thing explodes. Once it does, they already know enough to take action.

To the public (who don't know all the details, and mustn't know all the details for the sake of fairness of procedure and the reputation of third parties) it sometimes seems like an accusation out of the blue, or an accusation of an innocent party. This is what happens, and if anything, the church has been guilty of holding off too long when there has been wrongdoing. She often did so for very good pastoral reasons, and then was accused of a cover up. Now perhaps the pendulum is swinging the other way and some people who are innocent are being accused.

That may be the case, but in Corapi's case there is just too much that is fishy for him to be innocent. His refusal to co operate with the investigation, his living on his own outside of community or church discipline, his payment of $100,000 to keep the woman (and other employees) quiet, his running a for profit enterprise that has brought him great wealth, his refusal to obey his religious superiors and most of all his public renunciation of his priestly ministry---all this is too much.​

He then goes on to address some of the complaints and issues raised here:
UPDATE: Some have asked why SOLT didn't rein in Fr Corapi years ago. Again, we don't know the facts, we don't know what went on behind closed doors. It is very possible that SOLT and the bishops had a file on John Corapi that was getting bigger and bigger every year, but that they really couldn't do very much. Everyone thinks that 'obedience' in the church is a cut and dried military sort of obedience. The religious superior or bishop says, "Jump" and his inferiors say "How high?". I'm afraid in today's church this just ain't so. Instead religious superiors and bishops favor 'consultation' and 'seek to do what is best for each person in their care.' This is admirable and probably pays off in the long run, but what we don't have is instant obedience and the ability to rein someone in if need be. This is especially true if the man in question is canny and aware of the battlefield and ready to fight for his 'rights' and position.

Then, after giving another example of a priest that is impossible to reign in, he closes with this:
These are the realities and saying that SOLT should have reined in Fr Corapi years ago is easy to say, but hard to do.​
 
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It seems someone wishes to demonize me in these forms with their sig line and posts . . . so be it . . . I have a tough skin. :)

Here is an interesting post by Fr regarding the SOLT statement and

If someone is demonizing you using their signature, that person is pretty immature.

But I don't believe John Corapi......for a second. IT was really obvious he's a liar when the SOLT statement came out.
 
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That may be the case, but in Corapi's case there is just too much that is fishy for him to be innocent. His refusal to co operate with the investigation, his living on his own outside of community or church discipline, his payment of $100,000 to keep the woman (and other employees) quiet, his running a for profit enterprise that has brought him great wealth, his refusal to obey his religious superiors and most of all his public renunciation of his priestly ministry---all this is too much.

EXACTLY
 
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