YEC, is the universe expanding?

[de_skudd]

If time were a "man made" construct then we can just choose to make time run backwards and physically relive our youth. But, unfortunatly, we cannot. Time is a very real thing, and not man made. It is measureable and therefore "Quantifiable and Verifiable"!




























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[SkyWriting]

Does it define Him or describe Him?
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"I AM" does not leave it open for you to make guesses.

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[Assyrian]

"I AM" does not leave it open for you to make guesses.

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I just asked the question, when you stated it defines Him, that was your guess.

 

[de_skudd]

I just asked the question, when you stated it defines Him, that was your guess.

No, it is pretty emphatic in its simplicity, presentation and meaning. Only those who want it to mean something else, would question that. Please read Genesis Chapter three. With emphasis on verse one “Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

That was a neat little twisting of the actual command God Gave; “ "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

As you’ll notice, God was very concise in His statement “"You are free to eat from any tree in the garden”, but the subtle twisting by the serpent is not all that different from the rending from the simplistic rendering of “I AM”

 

[Assyrian]

No, it is pretty emphatic in its simplicity, presentation and meaning. Only those who want it to mean something else, would question that. Please read Genesis Chapter three. With emphasis on verse one “Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

That was a neat little twisting of the actual command God Gave; “ "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

As you’ll notice, God was very concise in His statement “"You are free to eat from any tree in the garden”, but the subtle twisting by the serpent is not all that different from the rending from the simplistic rendering of “I AM”

Not sure what you are saying here, are you saying a simplistic rendering of I AM is a good thing or a bad thing? And what do you think is the simplistic rendering?

 

[SkyWriting]

I wasn't saying you have half a brain...I'm saying that if you at least have half of one (metaphorical statement there) you would be able to comprehend that not every explanation for everything is in the Good Book.

You are welcome to your opinion.

"I trust Jesus more than any one of you, and Jesus trusted the book of Genesis."

That's quite a Pharisaical statement, you don't know me and who are you to cast judgment upon me?

I suppose it's possible all people will stop judging you if you call them on it.
Though I don't think you had any cause.
With only half a brain...what do I know.

 

[SkyWriting]

Simply put, we can mathematically prove that solar systems exist 13.7 billion light years away, so how is it that the universe was created less than 7000 years ago?

You may be confusing Historical Science with Physical Science.
There is no way to double check assumptions made in Historical Science unless backed up by historical writings.

 

[de_skudd]

Not sure what you are saying here, are you saying a simplistic rendering of I AM is a good thing or a bad thing? And what do you think is the simplistic rendering?

No, if you would have read my post you'll notice that I said "Concise"! When God said "I AM" it can be a[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']nalogous to your biological father saying “I am your father”. It is that simple; he (your biological father) is saying “I am your father (and all that goes along with that; or all that statement entails. Even “All” that you don’t understand, or comprehend). [/FONT]

It is a succinct statement, and yet comprehensive enough for our “simple” understanding.

 

[ivebeenshown]

You are welcome to your opinion.




I suppose it's possible all people will stop judging you if you call them on it.
Though I don't think you had any cause.
With only half a brain...what do I know.

Oh brother, we had already made amends for that confusion. You shouldn't bring that up again.

 

[98cwitr]

You may be confusing Historical Science with Physical Science.

how so?

 

[shernren]

You may be confusing Historical Science with Physical Science.
There is no way to double check assumptions made in Historical Science unless backed up by historical writings.

That the position of ink on paper stays constant over time is just an unwarranted historical assumption, too.

 

[Assyrian]

 

[Assyrian]

No, if you would have read my post you'll notice that I said "Concise"! When God said "I AM" it can be analogous to your biological father saying &#8220;I am your father&#8221;. It is that simple; he (your biological father) is saying &#8220;I am your father (and all that goes along with that; or all that statement entails. Even &#8220;All&#8221; that you don&#8217;t understand, or comprehend).

It is a succinct statement, and yet comprehensive enough for our &#8220;simple&#8221; understanding.

Except there was a time Darth Vadar wasn't Luke's father a time when he wasn't even Darth Vadar. Why do you make I AM analogous to "I am you Father" and not "I am you husband" or "I am you President" it is true the relationship of father to son will never change, other relationships you could claim are analogous to I AM can change. But I think the biggest problem is in you description of I AM as concise, it is concise, which means it might not contain all the things you read into it.

Listen, I am not claiming God is ever going to cease being God, I was looking at the claim God is not all powerful because the eternal God cannot remove himself from existence. I disagreed. So, maybe you have got the wrong end of the stick, but if you are disageeing with me, are you saying God is not all powerful, that he is not powerful enough to remove himself form existence?

 

[SkyWriting]

That the position of ink on paper stays constant over time is just an unwarranted historical assumption, too.

Granted, it's more unreliable or verifiable than I implied.

 

[SkyWriting]

Originally Posted by SkyWriting You may be confusing Historical Science with Physical Science.There is no way to double check assumptions made in Historical Science unless backed up by historical writings.

how so?

There IS no mathematical proof of history.

Historical Science is not verifiable with reproducible experiments.
It simply offers an opinion. And others may or may not agree with your assumptions.

 

[de_skudd]

I suppose it's possible all people will stop judging you if you call them on it.

Is that somehow a Biblical concept then?

 

[SkyWriting]

Is that somehow a Biblical concept then?

I would be much more sure. And would post a link if that were the case.

 

[98cwitr]

There IS no mathematical proof of history.

Historical Science is not verifiable with reproducible experiments.
It simply offers an opinion. And others may or may not agree with your assumptions.

I don't know...I can add up all the records of history. I can count backwards in time. I can look at a star and see how it was thousands of years ago....

 

[Monarchist]

King James Bible
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

No matter how many times a person reads the truth of who and what God says, they in their humanity can never understand how awesome his creation is
The Earth is the centre of his creation and the stars were stretched out from there

 

[Assyrian]

King James Bible
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

No matter how many times a person reads the truth of who and what God says, they in their humanity can never understand how awesome his creation is
The Earth is the centre of his creation and the stars were stretched out from there

It doesn't actually say the heavens are stretched out from the earth. The imagery is much more of heavens covering the earth like a curtain or tent.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in.

You can go out any clear evening, look to the east, and watch the tapestry of stars slowly spread over us until it covers the land from horizon to horizon like a great big tent. It is the Lord who created that wonder, God our father who does that every night as surely as he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good Matt 5:45.