YEC, is the universe expanding?

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"my hands, have stretched out the heavens". Anything you stretch has to have a starting position. The Earth is now believed to be in the aproximate centre
Whatever, its clear the heavens were stretched. A simple and concise explanation for seeing stars millions of light years away
You dont believe it fine, but its written and it explains the biblical perspective, the problem does not exist
Believe what you want though
 
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"my hands, have stretched out the heavens". Anything you stretch has to have a starting position. The Earth is now believed to be in the aproximate centre
No sorry, that is not what astronomy says. There was a starting point, but it contained the entire universe. Earth is no more in the centre than the distant galaxies we see. If we lived there we would see the same expansion if the universe going on around us as we see from earth

Whatever, its clear the heavens were stretched.
Unfortunately, when we think of stretched, we think of rubber bands, but they did not have rubber bands back then and they didn't use the word stretch that way. You stretch out you hand, but it doesn't mean it is getting any bigger, and from a quick search, that is the most common use of the word stretch in the OT. In this context the word is also used for pitching a tent. You don't make the fabric of the text bigger, that is not what the word is talking about, but spreading the fabric over the ground you are camping on. Again if we look at the parallelism in Isaiah 40:22 this is exactly what is be described:

who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;


A simple and concise explanation for seeing stars millions of light years away
You dont believe it fine, but its written and it explains the biblical perspective, the problem does not exist
Believe what you want though
We didn't find out stars are millions even billions of light years away until the 20th century, never mind find out that the more distant stars are the faster they are flying away from us. The bible speaks of the stars as a mystery, God created them, God knows them all, but the people writing the bible could not even count how many there are. We still can't, but the point is the bible was written in the context of people who did not understand astronomy, who admit they don't understand astronomy, (though they know someone who does). In this context we need to understand what stretching out the heavens, or spreading it like a tent, would have meant to people who did not think in terms of modern astronomy as we do.
 
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No sorry, that is not what astronomy says. There was a starting point, but it contained the entire universe. Earth is no more in the centre than the distant galaxies we see. If we lived there we would see the same expansion if the universe going on around us as we see from earth

Unfortunately, when we think of stretched, we think of rubber bands, but they did not have rubber bands back then and they didn't use the word stretch that way. You stretch out you hand, but it doesn't mean it is getting any bigger, and from a quick search, that is the most common use of the word stretch in the OT. In this context the word is also used for pitching a tent. You don't make the fabric of the text bigger, that is not what the word is talking about, but spreading the fabric over the ground you are camping on. Again if we look at the parallelism in Isaiah 40:22 this is exactly what is be described:

who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

We didn't find out stars are millions even billions of light years away until the 20th century, never mind find out that the more distant stars are the faster they are flying away from us. The bible speaks of the stars as a mystery, God created them, God knows them all, but the people writing the bible could not even count how many there are. We still can't, but the point is the bible was written in the context of people who did not understand astronomy, who admit they don't understand astronomy, (though they know someone who does). In this context we need to understand what stretching out the heavens, or spreading it like a tent, would have meant to people who did not think in terms of modern astronomy as we do.


You might want to study Astronomy not astrology :cool:
 
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I would be much more sure. And would post a link if that were the case.

Ok, because I thought you were aware of a (or some) scripture reference(s) that I was not.
There is no scripture reference that I am aware of that says simply “don’t (or do not) judge” without the caveat of you’re being correct, or right in your judgment. In other words “first pull the plank out of your eye” etc… We, as Christians are to judge the fruits of other Christians. And we are to do so out of love, and there are correct ways to confront our brothers and sisters when they are “doing that which is not Christ-like”.
 
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God or not, Wicca, Aztec, or whatever theology one believes does not change the proof for the big bang theory, such as the discovery of red shift that shows that the universe is constantly expanding, and also the universe is expanding from one point. Just a fact of life, like evolution. Has anyone ever thought maybe these things science has discovered are the HOW and not the WHY trying to replace God?
 
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God or not, Wicca, Aztec, or whatever theology one believes does not change the proof for the big bang theory, such as the discovery of red shift that shows that the universe is constantly expanding, and also the universe is expanding from one point. Just a fact of life, like evolution. Has anyone ever thought maybe these things science has discovered are the HOW and not the WHY trying to replace God?

A- evolution is not a "fact of life".
B- What direction is the universe expanding in, with respect to the Earth?
 
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Simply put, we can mathematically prove that solar systems exist 13.7 billion light years away, so how is it that the universe was created less than 7000 years ago?
The Hebrew Adam and Eve shows up in the Bible on the 8th day and that was 6000 years ago.

"Nanosize diamonds have been discovered in the Greenland ice sheet, according to a study reported by scientists in a recent online publication of the Journal of Glaciology. The finding adds credence to the controversial hypothesis that fragments of a comet struck across North America and Europe approximately 12,900 years ago."
 
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Simply put, we can mathematically prove that solar systems exist 13.7 billion light years away, so how is it that the universe was created less than 7000 years ago?

it wasn't. there is no YEC answer to that. there are only desperate answers, like the theory that the magnetic field of the earth has been declining back to the flood, so that's why the carbon dates for various things are too old.
it's admirable of the YECs to actually check out the carbon dates for fossilised wood, in the various rock strata, and coming back with dates of 27-47,000 years BP. to my mind, that means that those rock strata are actually that old, and not the assumed millions of years from the evolutionist camp, or the 4400 years of the YECs.
hugh ross says the universe is expanding, and he's an expert with a PhD in it, so he should know.
 
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Does it define Him or describe Him? However if God chose not to exist it would not define or describe Him anymore. If there even would be an anymore without God.

God does not exist in time, hence the statement and your confusion.
 
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