Is it right to ban gay marriage?

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Marriage was created by God to unite a man and a woman.
Not husband and husband or wife and wife.
Husband and wife.

The act of homosexuality is a sin and it should not be promoted.

This is all just opinions, and not facts.... can anyone actually present facts which say that it's good to ban homosexual marriages?
 
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I don't see any reason to ban gay marriage. Even if you believed that being gay was a sin, I don't see how allowing gay marriage changes anything. People are always going to be gay, and I don't think that allowing them to marry is going to somehow encourage other people to 'turn gay'.


Once marriage is changed from one man and one woman, it is on a slippery slope. The Netherlands, which legalized gay marriage, now has a three-way bisexual marriage. The next thing coming after that is plural marriage. Are we ready for this?

Because I've got a bit of an interest (perhaps obsession) in Dutch law, I looked into this, and came up with a news article, here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/494pqobc.asp

Three-way marriages are not allowed in the Netherlands, only cohabitation contracts. This isn't a marriage or even a civil union. One particular case in the Netherlands, the de Bruijns, attracted a lot of attention because they treated it as though it was a marriage, but legally, it's not.

From the article:
News of the Dutch three-way wedding filtered into the United States through a September 26 report by Paul Belien, on his Brussels Journal website. The story spread through the conservative side of the Internet like wildfire, raising a chorus of "I told you so's" from bloggers who'd long warned of a slippery slope from gay marriage to polygamy.
Meanwhile, gay marriage advocates scrambled to put out the fire. M.V. Lee Badgett, an economist at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and research director of the Institute for Gay and Lesbian Strategic Studies, told a sympathetic website, "This [Brussels Journal] article is ridiculous. Don't be fooled--Dutch law does not allow polygamy." Badgett suggested that Paul Belien had deliberately mistranslated the Dutch word for "cohabitation contract" as "civil union," or even "marriage," so as to leave the false impression that the triple union had more legal weight than it did. Prominent gay-marriage advocate Evan Wolfson, executive director of Freedom to Marry, offered up a detailed legal account of Dutch cohabitation contracts, treating them as a matter of minor significance, in no way comparable to state-recognized registered partnerships.

(not that I think there's necessarily anything wrong with three-way marriages, or that I don't think this might be a step towards them; just wanted to get that straightened out)
 
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As Christian the more we allow sinful behavior to become a norm in society the more it will affect the church. Gay marrige should be banned.
by this 'logic' we should forbid, by law, belief in other gods. we should at the very least outlaw blaspheming the lord, cause thats an automatic ticket to hell.

if we are outlawing marriage because of concern for other's souls, and want to disallow sinful behavior, to do otherwise is hypocritical.

the bible never suggests in any way that we are to establish laws to make others conform to gods idea of moral behavior. its simply an excuse by some bigots to legislate that bigotry.

and those suggesting that to allow it is to promote it, phooey. to allow something is different than promoting it. we don't need our govt 'sending messages' to our kids about homosexuality. its not their job, its ours.
 
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I don't see any reason to ban gay marriage. Even if you believed that being gay was a sin, I don't see how allowing gay marriage changes anything. People are always going to be gay, and I don't think that allowing them to marry is going to somehow encourage other people to 'turn gay'.

Because I've got a bit of an interest (perhaps obsession) in Dutch law, I looked into this, and came up with a news article, here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/494pqobc.asp

Three-way marriages are not allowed in the Netherlands, only cohabitation contracts. This isn't a marriage or even a civil union. One particular case in the Netherlands, the de Bruijns, attracted a lot of attention because they treated it as though it was a marriage, but legally, it's not.

From the article:


(not that I think there's necessarily anything wrong with three-way marriages, or that I don't think this might be a step towards them; just wanted to get that straightened out)

Biblically speaking there is a stronger case for polygamy than gay marriage. In the USA, the Mormons are pushing for polygamous marriage in parallel with the gay marriage political movement effort.

Main articles: Plural marriage and Mormon fundamentalism
Mormonism is closely associated in both public discourse and LDS Scriptures[2] with polygamy. In the 1830s, Joseph Smith, Jr. secretly instituted a form of polygamy referred to now as plural marriage, which Brigham Young first acknowledged and promoted after the church's move to Utah. Upon learning about the practice, mainstream religions and political forces in the United States mounted a vigorous campaign to stamp it out. The United States Congress passed laws criminalizing the practice and dissolving polygamous families, disincorporated the church, and began seizing church property. A few months after a U.S. Supreme Court decision upholding the legality of the church's disincorporation and forfeiture of property, the church issued its 1890 Manifesto renouncing the practice of polygamy. Today, the church strongly rejects the practice and excommunicates members who engage in it.
The 1890 renunciation of polygamy by the LDS Church also led to a number of schisms involving relatively small groups who describe themselves as Mormon fundamentalists, who still practice polygamy as well as other elements of 19th century Mormonism that have been rejected or denounced by the LDS Church. These organizations believe that their doctrines and practices are more true to the original teachings of Joseph Smith, Jr. and Brigham Young.

If you read the news, polygamy comes up all the time with the U.S. Mormons. Here are a few headlines from the last week:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newsw...ws/templates/newswire/news_story_reuters.html

CENTENNIAL PARK, Arizona (Reuters) - When Ephraim Hammon returns home from a day of working construction near Arizona’s border with Utah, he’s greeted by his wife SherylLynne. And then by his wife Leah.
Polygamy, once hidden in the shadows of Utah and Arizona, is breaking into the open as fundamentalist Mormons push to decriminalize it on religious grounds, while at the same time stamping out abuses such as forced marriages of underage brides.

The growing confidence of polygamists and their willingness to go public come at an awkward moment for mainstream Mormons, who are now in the spotlight as Republican Mitt Romney, a prominent Mormon, seeks the U.S. presidency.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19232005/


Polygamy fueling Ariz.’s rate of genetic disorder

Border community where cousins marry has highest incidence of rare illness

COLORADO CITY, Ariz. - In a dusty neighborhood under sheer sandstone cliffs studded with juniper on the Arizona-Utah border, a rare genetic disorder is spreading through polygamous families on a wave of inbreeding.
The twin border communities of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., have the world’s highest known prevalence of fumarase deficiency, an enzyme irregularity that causes severe mental retardation brought on by cousin marriage, doctors say.
“Arizona has about half the world’s population of known fumarase deficiency patients,” said Dr. Theodore Tarby, a pediatric neurologist who has treated many of the children at Arizona clinics under contracts with the state


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070613/us_nm/usa_mormons_jeffs_dc_2

HILDALE, Utah (Reuters) - From a cell in the Purgatory jail 10 months after his arrest, fundamentalist Mormon leader Warren Jeffs is still God's voice on Earth to thousands of polygamists in this isolated community.

"Warren Jeffs isn't 'gone'. He doesn't have to be there to rule the place," said Enos Steed, a 21-year-old former member of Jeff's Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS), a polygamist sect that broke from the mainstream Mormon church 72 years ago.

To about 10,000 followers in the twin border communities of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona, Jeffs remains a spiritual leader who channels divine revelations and a feared prophet, even 25 miles away in Purgatory, a jail in the Utah city of Hurricane where he awaits trial.
 
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[FONT=&quot] Civil liberties to you = Do whatever pleases you, correct?
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[FONT=&quot] Civil Liberties = Equal and just treatment and rights for all. Allowing heterosexuals to marry, but not homosexuals is a direct violation of their civil liberties. It is blatant discrimination based on simply their sexual orientation. [/FONT] Modern day Jim Crow.

[FONT=&quot] I have witnessed from you "Whatever feels good, do it, Christianity" Is that a misuse or not?
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[FONT=&quot]I do not believe that the bible supports homosexuality, I believe that homosexual intercourse is a sin as the bible states. But that is my belief and I will apply that to my live privately. It is not for me to force my religious beliefs on others to the extent of denying them their rights. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]As much as I support my faith, I also support a secular state. [/FONT]
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I have sinned more than I will write down here, but I do not continue to LIVE in sin.
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[FONT=&quot] We all live in Sin. [/FONT]
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A homosexual marriage or relationship is LIVING in sin.
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[FONT=&quot]And that is their right to do so. [/FONT]
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No, not all believe they are bound to follow Christian law or Christ, but I will not be promoting sin.
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n the USA, the Mormons are pushing for polygamous marriage in parallel with the gay marriage political movement effort.

I support polygamy. As long as they are consenting adults I see absolutely no reason why marriage as a civil institution should not be afforded to as many consenting adults as they wish to marry.
 
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I support polygamy. As long as they are consenting adults I see absolutely no reason why marriage as a civil institution should not be afforded to as many consenting adults as they wish to marry.

Why even have marriage at all?

"Forsaking all others" except who?

Maybe we could just have a "world marriage" with one huge ceremony.
 
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Personally and this is just my opinion SS marriage should not be banned.
It is legal in my Country and one can marry either by JP (Justice of Peace) or in the Church depending on the JP or the Minister...if the person they go to to marry them disagree's with SS marriage then they do NOT have to marry them but do have to refer them to someone who does.
Shoot..my dh and I are of the opposite sex and we were turned down by the Catholic Church (as well Im not Catholic and Im sure they wouldnt of liked the fact we were living together ;) ).
Anyways...if someone loves each other they should be allowed to marry regardless the person's religion, faith, sexual orientation, racial background, hieght, weight, etc...
Love cannot and should not be banned...
putting up a barrier between a couple (of age) that love each other is wrong...
 
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A marriage of more than two....I question...
too me...and again this is only my opinion...
is between two persons and God...
When a third or more is entered things get complicated and well...one cant give themselves the same way to that partner.
just my opinion though :)
 
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Why even have marriage at all?

"Forsaking all others" except who?

Maybe we could just have a "world marriage" with one huge ceremony.

Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Unification church, and self proclaimed messiah, already does something like that. He has mass weddings, in rented sports stadiums, with hundreds and hundreds of couples.
 
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I don't believe marriage should exist MercyBurst. It's only a physical paper that says "these two people love each other". If two people love each other, they don't need that. The marriage is just a symbol of the promise they've already made. There are so many complications with marriage that I'd rather not be married at all. I still am mind you, because my boyfriend (who I consider myself already married too) wishes to have the ceremony and I don't see how it will hurt.
 
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Do you think it's right to ban gay marriage in a country that is supposed to have Freedom of Religion (if you don't live in America, my apologies. Play pretend maybe?). Do you think it violates that right? Or do you think it doesn't matter and gay marriage is unethical in the secular world as well?

This is all just opinions, and not facts.... can anyone actually present facts which say that it's good to ban homosexual marriages?
The OP did not ask for facts it asked if we thought it was unethical to unite a man with a man or a woman with a woman.
To me it is unethical.

Yes, it is right to deny equal rights to people because you don't like who they're attracted to.

edit: This means it's also right to deny people equal rights because you don't like their skin color.
Those two statements are not equal.

There are all sorts of lovely shades of people that God has made and the color of someone's skin who God created in His image has nothing to do with this subject.

[FONT=&quot]Civil Liberties = Equal and just treatment and rights for all. Allowing heterosexuals to marry, but not homosexuals is a direct violation of their civil liberties. It is blatant discrimination based on simply their sexual orientation. [/FONT]Modern day Jim Crow.
Are you calling me a Modern day Jim Crow?
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[FONT=&quot]I do not believe that the bible supports homosexuality, I believe that homosexual intercourse is a sin as the bible states. But that is my belief and I will apply that to my live privately. It is not for me to force my religious beliefs on others to the extent of denying them their rights. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Rights to what, sin? Give me a break Mezza. I will stand for what is right and oppose sin.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]As much as I support my faith, I also support a secular state. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Well I'm only a temporary citizen of this world and I stand for the Word of God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]We all live in Sin. [/FONT]
No Mezza there is a difference between sinning and living in sin without repentance.
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[FONT=&quot]And that is their right to do so. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They have free will, this is true. God gave it to us, but not for us to abuse it or use it as a license to sin through our freedom in Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]So it should also be illegal to not be a Christian in the USA? [/FONT]

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That has nothing to do with this subject Mezza. People have a choice, they can choose Christ or not.
But I believe law should be based on good ethics and morals.
Homosexual marriage is unethical and unnatural.
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I support polygamy. As long as they are consenting adults I see absolutely no reason why marriage as a civil institution should not be afforded to as many consenting adults as they wish to marry.
So you're saying it would be okay for everyone to marry everyone and have a big ol' orgie?

Marriage is a HOLY union between a Man and Woman as God created it to be.
 
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[FONT=&quot] Are you calling me a Modern day Jim Crow?
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[FONT=&quot]You are supporting laws that are equally as discriminatory as Jim Crow was. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Rights to what, sin? Give me a break Mezza. I will stand for what is right and oppose sin.
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[FONT=&quot] Right to be treated equally, afforded the same rights without discrimination or bias. If two men want to enter into a civil agreement entitling them to spousal benefits we cannot deny them that and claim to be a nation of equal rights. [/FONT]
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Well I'm only a temporary citizen of this world and I stand for the Word of God.
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[FONT=&quot]Where does the word of God give you the right to force your beliefs on others and deny them their rights based on your beliefs?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] No Mezza there is a difference between sinning and living in sin without repentance.
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[FONT=&quot]We all sin, to claim that you no longer live in sin is to claim that you are perfect. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] They have free will, this is true. God gave it to us, but not for us to abuse it or use it as a license to sin through our freedom in Jesus Christ.
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[FONT=&quot] That has nothing to do with this subject Mezza. People have a choice, they can choose Christ or not.
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[FONT=&quot]It has everything to do with your reasoning, you claim that you cannot support people living in sin. What sin is greater than not accepting Christ? If you cannot support people living in sin then you cannot support freedom of religion, you cannot support it being legal to have sex outside marriage, you cannot support the adult industry being legal, you cannot support most of the things that this nation is founded on. [/FONT]
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Homosexual marriage is unethical and unnatural.
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[FONT=&quot]Unethical to whom? Obviously not to homosexuals. [/FONT]
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So you're saying it would be okay for everyone to marry everyone and have a big ol' orgie?
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[FONT=&quot]If everyone wanted to do that, then yes. I see absolutely no reason why the civil institution of marriage should be confined to simply two people. [/FONT]
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Marriage is a HOLY union between a Man and Woman as God created it to be.
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[FONT=&quot]In the context of the Church… yes. In the context of the state…. Nope.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 
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[FONT=&quot]You are supporting laws that are equally as discriminatory as Jim Crow was.
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[FONT=&quot]Nice try Mezza. Not a bit of truth in it whatsoever, but at least you gave a go at it.[/FONT]
MezzaMorta said:
[FONT=&quot]Right to be treated equally, afforded the same rights without discrimination or bias. If two men want to enter into a civil agreement entitling them to spousal benefits we cannot deny them that and claim to be a nation of equal rights. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Where does the word of God give you the right to force your beliefs on others and deny them their rights based on your beliefs?[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]We all sin, to claim that you no longer live in sin is to claim that you are perfect.
No Mezza, it's not. As I said, there is a difference between sinning and living in sin without repentance.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Then what is free will? Free will is exactly that, our right to make our own choices and live with the consequences.
Yes, Mezza, but we are speaking of law here and what we think is ethical. I think homosexuality and the joining of the same gender is unethical and will oppose it.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]It has everything to do with your reasoning, you claim that you cannot support people living in sin. What sin is greater than not accepting Christ? If you cannot support people living in sin then you cannot support freedom of religion, you cannot support it being legal to have sex outside marriage, you cannot support the adult industry being legal, you cannot support most of the things that this nation is founded on.
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Rejecting Christ is not sin. It is just that, rejecting Christ which means you will be bound by all the laws and be judged by them. Not accepting Christ means you are not saved.
You are right I do not Support sin.
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[FONT=&quot]Unethical to whom?
Unethical to me, exactly who the OP directed her question to...anyone who posted in this thread. Disagree all you would like, that will not change my position on this subject.[/FONT]
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Obviously not to homosexuals.
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[FONT=&quot]If everyone wanted to do that, then yes. I see absolutely no reason why the civil institution of marriage should be confined to simply two people.
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[FONT=&quot]Back in the OT are you??[/FONT]

I refuse to debate my position here with you on reasons why I believe that this abomination in the Lord's sight to be unethical.
 
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It is legal in my Country and one can marry either by JP (Justice of Peace) or in the Church depending on the JP or the Minister...if the person they go to to marry them disagree's with SS marriage then they do NOT have to marry them but do have to refer them to someone who does.

Actually it is not lawful to refuse a SS marriage in some provinces and the JP can lose his or her job over refusal on the grounds of personal religious beliefs. Even if they refer them to another JP.
 
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I don't believe marriage should exist MercyBurst. It's only a physical paper that says "these two people love each other". If two people love each other, they don't need that. The marriage is just a symbol of the promise they've already made. There are so many complications with marriage that I'd rather not be married at all. I still am mind you, because my boyfriend (who I consider myself already married too) wishes to have the ceremony and I don't see how it will hurt.
Marriage exists because it was ordained by God, theres no way around this. Our bible teaches us that a marriage is between a man and a woman.
 
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Whats gay marriage? For Christians, marriage is between a man and a woman, both may have same-sex attraction.

But the thing is, it's not.

You cannot speak for all Christians as there are many Christians here on this thread telling you for them marriage can be between a couple of the same-sex.

There are many gay affirming churches/denominations out there.

The correct statement here would be, For SOME Christians marriage is between a man and a woman.


Also in regards to the "both may have same-sex attraction" part, I assume your suggesting people who are homosexual should just marry someone of the opposite gender anyway. Unfortunately unless they are bisexual this would be living a total lie, and lieing, unlike homosexuality, hurts people.

And as for the OP nobody has any right to stop anyone in a loving consensual relationship (CONSENSUAL as in peadophilia, beastiality etc.. hold no grounds in this discussion) from being married.
 
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Marriage is a social institution, hence society has some say in what is acceptable and what isn't. The same argument can be made for polygamous marriage, which Utah was required to ban before they could be admitted to the union. Once marriage is changed from one man and one woman, it is on a slippery slope. The Netherlands, which legalized gay marriage, now has a three-way bisexual marriage. The next thing coming after that is plural marriage. Are we ready for this?
What is three way bisexual marriage????????? Ignorant Dutch person wants to know what's possible in her own country. Never heard of it.

Polygamy will not become legal here.
 
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Whats gay marriage? For Christians, marriage is between a man and a woman, both may have same-sex attraction.
I'm a Christian, and for me a marriage is a special kind of bond between two people who share romantic love towards each other and want to spend their lives together. That can happen in both homosexual and heterosexual relationships.

So, your statement is wrong :p
 
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