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Im curious to know your thoughts/ what you know about this verse?


“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.”

Revelation 2:17
 
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Whoa, I love this verse and your new avatar pic. is awesome!

Give me some time to chew on this verse. I've pretty much just wondered about it and even tripped on it...while in another state of being, let's say...
 
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Here's a little more context:


Revelation 2

12And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

13I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
 
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A couple of key words/phrases that stood out to me are:

is victorious,
νικῶντι (nikōnti)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Dative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3528: To conquer, be victorious, overcome, prevail, subdue. From nike; to subdue.


stone
ψῆφον (psēphon)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 5586: From the same as pselaphao; a pebble, i.e. a verdict or ticket; a vote.


name,
ὄνομα (onoma)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 3686: Name, character, fame, reputation. From a presumed derivative of the base of ginosko; a 'name'.



It speaks of the "Nicolaitans" which I believe has the same root as the first word "nikonti" or Nike (victorious)

And then the "stone" seems to be referring to some method they used for casting a vote, like maybe they placed a stone here or there/for or against, or something.

And then I've always heard that a "name" may signify authority, which the Strongs alludes to with "character" or "reputation".



So, basically, I get a sense of Spiritual warfare in the heavenly realms and those who resist the multi-pronged attack of the enemy will have the sustenance and the authority to overcome the tares. They are effective in a way that only they understand...like secret weapons!
 
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Im curious to know your thoughts/ what you know about this verse?


“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.”

Revelation 2:17
Much of God's dealings with his people (and with other nations) has been corporate, as though the individual was included with the group and only a member and not an individual (not saying they weren't actually individuals in God's eyes). Even after Gentile was included in the church with Jew, and it was made plain that the members of the church were from all nationalities, the church(es) is(are) still often seen and dealt with corporately in the New Testament.

But with Revelation 2:17 we have an affirmation of individual responsibility and the individual's particular and loving attention from God, in the end. This may not mean much in today's 'ego' climate, but I'm betting it meant a lot to those in John's time who thought they rode on the wagon of whatever group they were attached with. Matthew 22:12, saying, "how did you get in here without wedding clothes?" comes to mind.
 
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Im curious to know your thoughts/ what you know about this verse?


“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.”

Revelation 2:17

While I don't think there's any final analysis on the overall meaning of this verse, it does seem to express an allusion to what Jesus did with Cephas in later calling him "Peter."

So, in some more ethereal way, we also are "known anew" by the Lord ...

...and I'm sure there's more that could be Scripturally drawn out from this verse with the rest of Scripture being considered, but that's my thought on it for the moment.

Let's see what others would like to say about it all. :cool:

Be blessed!
 
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I will share my thoughts to your excellent question.

The Lord is speaking directly to His bride. “Those who hath an ear” are those who are given the ability to understand the Word, again, His bride. Those who “hear” are those who obey what they understand.


We have no abilities within us that are not given to us by the Lord.

Luke 24:45. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

The Lord is the ONLY one capable of opening our ears, so that we may hear.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

This is important. NO ONE else has any power to give to you understanding. Definitely NOT me, with my words here. I am just sharing things I hear and see. The Lord is the one who will give you the understanding.


Just because we understand something the Lord tells us, does not mean we automatically obey it. Obeying is the key.
Step 1 is knowing. (From reading the Word)
Step 2 is understanding. (You seek the Lord to open your ears)
Step 3 is DOING (obeying what the Lord tells you)


“What the spirit saith” is the Divine truth of the Word.


“To the churches” is THE church. (The bride of Christ).
I can be the church. You can be the church. We all can be.

7 is the whole. (The Lord is speaking to 7 “churches” here)

Like 7 days is 1 week consisting of 7 different days, 7 churches of Revelation are 1 CHURCH consisting of 7 different kinds of characteristics within the church. Both, within you, and within the CHURCH on earth.

Remember, these are my understanding only.

May you be blessed with a joyous understanding of the beautiful Word of God.
 
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According to my research, a white stone was given at the time to signify innocence in a court case. In that light Jesus is saying you will be found pure before God. The new name seems to represent a new identity. In the context of the marriage of the Lamb it reminds me of how when people get married they often change their last name. Also, "Behold, I am making all things new."
 
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a white stone was given at the time to signify innocence in a court case

Yeah, this verse came to mind:


James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
 
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A couple of key words/phrases that stood out to me are:

is victorious,
νικῶντι (nikōnti)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Dative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3528: To conquer, be victorious, overcome, prevail, subdue. From nike; to subdue.


stone
ψῆφον (psēphon)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 5586: From the same as pselaphao; a pebble, i.e. a verdict or ticket; a vote.


name,
ὄνομα (onoma)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 3686: Name, character, fame, reputation. From a presumed derivative of the base of ginosko; a 'name'.



It speaks of the "Nicolaitans" which I believe has the same root as the first word "nikonti" or Nike (victorious)

And then the "stone" seems to be referring to some method they used for casting a vote, like maybe they placed a stone here or there/for or against, or something.

And then I've always heard that a "name" may signify authority, which the Strongs alludes to with "character" or "reputation".



So, basically, I get a sense of Spiritual warfare in the heavenly realms and those who resist the multi-pronged attack of the enemy will have the sustenance and the authority to overcome the tares. They are effective in a way that only they understand...like secret weapons!

Very interesting, thank you.
 
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Very interesting, thank you.

This verse seems fitting as well:

John 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
 
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Much of God's dealings with his people (and with other nations) has been corporate
Right when I read this, I thought of how a Christian is now in the body of Jesus; so this gives him or her a new identity . . . a new name connected with how the person is part of the body of Jesus and is effecting other members of the body. How you are good for others effects the name you have with God and one another.

But with Revelation 2:17 we have an affirmation of individual responsibility and the individual's particular and loving attention from God, in the end.
It can be both . . . you are an individual with your own name, plus you are part of the body with a name according to how God makes you good for other members.
 
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But with Revelation 2:17 we have an affirmation of individual responsibility
In Post #13 above I do not mean to disagree with you.

I now think of something else. In Jesus Christ's letter to each of the seven churches, He seems to have the same things to say to pretty much everyone in each church. Each criticism can be for a whole church; each praising thing can be for a whole church.

So, this could mean each church was indeed unified! But their unity could be in how they were all . . . or pretty much all . . . wrong.

And so, ones do need to deal with themselves as individuals so they do not just blend in with however their whole group might be lacking or wrong.
 
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Im just curious about that stone and name thing. But im pretty sure this is hidden thing which God won’t reveal us and that’s the way it should be if that’s the case.

Hidden manna

Hidden manna is a symbolic picture of Jesus Christ. As the manna of the Exodus sustained and strengthened the Israelites for the forty years of desert wanderings, so Jesus strengthens and sustains us spiritually as we walk through this life on our way to heaven. Jesus is the “manna” from heaven—the spiritual sustenance we need—and it is promised to us.

Jesus Himself made the connection between the manna of Moses’ day and His own provision of salvation: “I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. . . . This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread (manna) will live forever” (John 6:48–51, 58). The manna that sustained the Israelites was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Christ; the manna mentioned in Revelation 2:17 is another, symbolic reference to Christ.

White stone

Historically .... When a Roman trial concluded, and it was time for a panel of judges to vote for the defendant’s innocence or guilt, the judges registered their votes by casting a black or white stone into an urn. A black stone symbolized a vote for guilt, and a white stone denoted a vote for innocence. When all the votes had been cast, the stones were emptied from the urn and counted one by one. If there were more black stones, it meant the judges had found the defendant guilty; if there were more white stones, it meant they had found the individual to be not guilty. Those in Christ will be declared innocent and given a white stone.


A new name

A name denotes one's character .... when one receives Christ, they receive manna (Christ the bread of life) are given a white stone (in Christ deemed not guilty) and take on a new character (new name) - becoming more Christ-like, our name (character) is changed by the work of the Holy Spirit as we walk with Him throughout our earthly lifetime.
 
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[17] He that hath an ear (understanding, the true believers, Mt 13:3-17, Acts 7:51, the heart is related to the ear, Acts 28:26-28, [26] Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: [27] For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [28] Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it., Lk 24:44-45), let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (every church); To him that overcometh (1 Jn 5:4, Christ is the overcomer, the saved) will I give to eat of the hidden manna (Christ the bread of life which came down from heaven, Jn 6:31-35, 48-61, the Word of God, Christ spoke in parables, Christ's name is the word of God), and will give him (the true believer) a white (pure, holy, Rv 1:14, God) stone (Acts 26:9, Jesus is the Rock, 1 Cor 10:4), and in the stone a new name written (we are adopted into Christ's name, Christian, Rv 3:12, 2 Cor 5:17), which no man knoweth (experiences Mt 1:24-25, [24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [25] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.) saving he that receiveth it (Jn 14:15-17, the world does not experience Christ).
 
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Im curious to know your thoughts/ what you know about this verse?


“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.”

Revelation 2:17
Blessings in Christ Jesus! I have always likes it when The Lord uses a descriptive phrase as a name. "And you shall call her name ___________." I have received a white stone, with a new name written upon it. The name is descriptive, and describes what I was called to do. Each part of The Body has a different calling. And each calling glorifies The Head.
 
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