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Pastor N.B. · Jan 12, 2003

Hi again,
Good Post. Remember that the ones that you quote from in Rev. 3:16-17 are said by the Master, as saying.. "Thou sayest, thou art rich.."??
You most likely will find ones who reply at times rather 'foolish' as is found in Matt. 25? Take heart, for the Master also said that if they call Him Beelzebub, how much the worse will they call you?

And Paul? Peter said that it was the ones that 'are unlearned and unstable' wrest, .." 2 Peter 3:16

So, if one shows their ignorance by unchristlike remarks? Just remember that Spiritual things ARE SPIRITUALLY DECERNED, Huh?

Again, thanks for the simplicity of a GOOD missive!---P/N/B/
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Originally posted by Wonder
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"Hi,
What do you get out of 2 Cor. 3:3? What does EPISTLE mean? The 'letter of WHOM'? Epistle or letter!! It is the MORAL WITNESS of the persons [character], which is the HEART TRANSPLANT or the New Birth! See John 3:5-8."

2 Cor. 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministerd by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God: not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

What I see in that after much thought and prayer is;
epistle is a formal or elegant letter.
manifestly is to become visible, it would stand out...like a light on a table top.
If something is written on the heart...it becomes manifest...it would then be seen on the flesh. It would hang as fruit on a tree.
If something is living, as the Word in the heart...it then grows and becomes manifested...if it was written on stone, it lays cold. So when one sees that Jesus is the Lord of the OT..and DOES what He asks us to do...The Word..Jesus..The Law...etc. becomes manifested.
You will really get up in the morning and put Him on..then seals you with the oil of His people.
If I learned who He is from the OT. while He was in Spirit, how can I know Him in the flesh?
I learned from Him...in the OT...He brought me to the flesh...just to prove to me that He is the one spoken of in the OT...The One who was to come and is to come.
He is the child of the 7 barron women. They each spoke of Him.
Every book written is written of Him.
I see that I have become baptized in Him ... putting Him on every morning. He covers me daily in a written epistle. The living Word.

Quote:
How could anyone be a BORN AGAIN SAVED SAINT, & have NO LOVING works for [their] letter, or their [testimony] of the Master????
It would find one in the class of Rev. 3:16-17's 'spewed out' (making the Master sick) ---P/N/B/

Rev. 3:16-17
So then because thou art luke warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
Because thou sayist, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

This seems to me to speaking of those who are not on fire for Him. Or don't do as He says...for if you Love Him you would keep His commandments. As once stated...I find it is Him teaching those who do not know Him...He is found in the OT...teaching.
If He is a consumming fire, the only way to stand in that day is to be on fire.
I am not naked...for He covers me.

Pastor N.B. · Jan 12, 2003

Hi, (perhaps you post is saying something different that it seems to me?)
Regardless, I am replying to the missive only. (no judgement of the person intended)
Please give me a Bible verse telling me what law has been voided out???
Not with the word of 'fullfiled', ok? For we could apply that to the Law of Moses (Deut. 31) or the Royal law of God, (James 2:10-12) and surely if ones does that without the WORD OF GOD SAYING SO, why not apply it to the other laws of God being finished or 'fullfilled'? Case in point: climb upon a 300' water tower & jump off and tell the world that the law of God has been made void??

Surely I will be hearing the verse from you telling me that Paul was wrong in Rom. 3:31 or the O.T. preacher of Eccl. 12:13-14 or the heavenly messinger sent to John in Rev. 22:8-9 that rebukes John for his 'honest' stupidy? ---P/N/B/
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Originally posted by Elan
 

2 Cor 5:15 And he died for all so that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised.
5:16 So then from now on we acknowledge no one from an outward human point of view.  Even though we have known Christ from such a human point of view, now we do not know him in that way any longer.
5:17 So then, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; what is old has passed awaylook, what is new has come!

The old, or fleshy, way of looking at ourselves, others and Christ is through the context of the law.  Doing this or doing that, or not doing this or not doing that.  An effort to be righteous by means of the law, or an attempt of account righteousness to someone else using the law, often leads to critical judgments about ourselves and/or others.  But this is where the law leads and the flesh agrees.  It's easy...

He died for all.  Certainly not all know this tidbit of information and fewer yet believe it, but He did.  The law has been completely fulfilled to the absolute satisfaction of the Father, even to the last minuscule detail, by the perfect life and sacrifice of Christ Jesus.  There is not one single thing that any of us can do that will elicit better favor from the Father than that which could only be accomplished by His perfect lamb offering. 

The new way of looking at Him, and all mankind for that matter, is in the new life in Christ.  Being in Christ affords us a vantage point that was simply not allotted to Gods Old Testament, law-keeping people.  He fulfilled all the laws requirements.  Insomuch that it is fulfilled it is behind Him.  The law leads to death and He accomplished death as well.   Likewise, those who are established in Christ not longer reference the rigors of keeping the law, for behold theres come onto the scene something more splendid. 

If we are knowing Him in exactly the same way as He is knowing us BINGO!  If we are knowing one another just as He is knowing each of us BINGO!  What is old has passed away- look, what is new has come!  So, in what way does He look at us??  Perhaps in another thread..

Maranatha......

Elan · Jan 12, 2003

 Pastor N.B.

Hi, (perhaps you post is saying something different that it seems to me?)
Regardless, I am replying to the missive only. (no judgement of the person intended)
Please give me a Bible verse telling me what law has been voided out???

I know of no Bible verse that indicates what law has been "voided out", or what law(s) has/have not been "voided out".  Nor was my post in regards to a voided out law.  Since I do not see the missive, I assume it will be elevated to a status of omission and you would be willing to make some clarifying comments (no judgment of the person intended).  

Not with the word of 'fulfilled', ok? For we could apply that to the Law of Moses (Deut. 31) or the Royal law of God, (James 2:10-12) and surely if ones does that without the WORD OF GOD SAYING SO, why not apply it to the other laws of God being finished or 'fulfilled'? Case in point: climb upon a 300' water tower & jump off and tell the world that the law of God has been made void??

 

I would not recommend (nor did you) for anyone to climb upon a 300 water tower and jump off and tell the world anything not even that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.  

Surely I will be hearing the verse from you telling me that Paul was wrong in Rom. 3:31 or the O.T. preacher of Eccl. 12:13-14 or the heavenly messenger sent to John in Rev. 22:8-9 that rebukes John for his 'honest' stupidly? ---P/N/B/
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I suppose some may believe that the law and the prophets have been abolish such is not the case.  

Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill. 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter will pass from the law until everything takes place. 5:19 So anyone who breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do this will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches others to do so will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness goes beyond that of the experts in the law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 10:5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is by the law: The one who does these things will live by them. 10:6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: Do not say in your heart, Who will ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down)
Maranatha

Pastor N.B. · Jan 13, 2003

Hi,
thanks for clearing this up. Sounds like the right 'path' to 'me'? That is about all that I can hope for 'first' huh?--P/N/B/

Elan · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by Pastor N.B.
Hi,
thanks for clearing this up. Sounds like the right 'path' to 'me'? That is about all that I can hope for 'first' huh?--P/N/B/

  Pastor N.B.,

I think we are doing fine!  It's one step at a time....

Maranatha   

 

Rafael · Jan 15, 2003

The fruits of the Spirit are listed in:

Gal.5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Teresa was right about what we are to do......we are created unto good works that the Lord asks about when He returns.......

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt. 25:31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Pastor N.B. · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by raphe
The fruits of the Spirit are listed in:

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P/N/B/ here:
The WORD that you quote below here starts with 'LOVE'. And this is the [main] reasons that mankind is Spiritless, if lacking. Agreed?? So please tell us what LOVE in the Everlasting Gospel IS? It is NOT ONLY feeling! Nor EMOTION! Or a LOT OF PROFESSION! Or EXCITMENT! But it IS A PRINCIPLE FIRST! We have become what I call garbled Laodicean'zed with the Master's Word of LOVE!

This is a GOOD POST. And it's TESTING finds a Rev. 3:16-17 Virgin Body of Christ's anywhere from a scale perhaps of from 0-10 with this professed degree of LOVE? And the END result is what??

Please tell us what MATURE TOUGH LOVE is? Like [feeling miserable] 'physically' yet, dying on the cross all the while crying out .. "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HATH THOU FORSAKEN ME?" Or the verses of Isa. 58:1 or Isa. 59:2. And if we can get past this? to see the TRUE PRINCIPLED WORKING LOVE, read the CONCLUSION of Eze. 9 for WHO IT IS THAT FAITHFULLY LOVE THE MASTER, and to know for certain the 'ending of both'. Then comes Obadiah 15-16 'final' decree of ... 'and they shall be as though
THEY HAD NOT BEEN'. ---P/N/B/

PS: Am I disagreeing? I don't think so?
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Gal.5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Teresa was right about what we are to do......we are created unto good works that the Lord asks about when He returns.......

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matt. 25:31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Wonder · Jan 17, 2003

Raphe:
The problem seems to be that we don't see what our fruits are.
We notice that the man that approached the Messiah had been keeping the law..and he asked the Messiah what else he was to do to enter the kingdom...the Messiah's answer shows that if he had been keeping the Law correctly then the fruits of the Spirt would be working. He says for him to go sell everything and give it to the poor.
I see a difference between our fruit and the fruit of the Spirit. We are to stand in the Day of the Lord that our works are not to burn...what are those works or the fruit that we do?

Elan · Jan 20, 2003

The problem seems to be that we don't see what our fruits are.

We notice that the man that approached the Messiah had been keeping the law..and he asked the Messiah what else he was to do to enter the kingdom...the Messiah's answer shows that if he had been keeping the Law correctly then the fruits of the Spirit would be working. He says for him to go sell everything and give it to the poor.

I see a difference between our fruit and the fruit of the Spirit. We are to stand in the Day of the Lord that our works are not to burn...what are those works or the fruit that we do?

  Wonder,

Matthew 19:16 Now a man came up to him and said, Teacher, what good thing must I do to gain eternal life?     He said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.    Which ones? he asked. Jesus replied, Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false witness,      honor your father and mother and love your neighbor as yourself.    The young man said to him, I have kept all these things. What do I still lack?    Jesus said to him, If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.    But when the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he was very rich.

This man wants to gain eternal life.  Messiah responded that the man would need to keep the commandments in order to enter into life.  The man apparently believed himself to be keeping the law, blamelessly and evidently with good conscience.  And in this passage Messiah does not even give a hint of a suggestion to any transgression of the law by the man. There is no contradicting the mans claim that he was indeed keeping the law.  The man probably considered himself blameless as according to the law, even as others of his day were blameless:

Luke 1:5 During the reign of Herod king of Judea, there lived a priest named Zechariah who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah, and he had a wife named Elizabeth, who was a descendant of Aaron. 1:6 They were both righteous in the sight of God, following all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly.

Phil 3:5 I was circumcised on the eighth day, from the people of Israel and the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews. I lived according to the law as a Pharisee.   In my zeal for God I persecuted the church. According to the righteousness stipulated in the law I was blameless.    But these assets I have come to regard as liabilities because of Christ.

The whole thrust of the conversation changes when the man asks what he needs to do to be complete.  The man knew within himself that something was lacking, but it was not related to the commandments, this lacking was probably on a more base level.  It was to this self-professed incompleteness that the Messiah addressed His answer.  The keeping of the law should not and will not satisfy those that yearn for sever closeness to Him.  The answer from Messiah, for this man to experience the completeness he was lacking, was he needed to sell his possessions, give the money to the poor and follow the Messiah.  

Heb 7:18 On the one hand a former command is set aside because it is weak and useless,    for the law made nothing perfect. On the other hand a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

But I wonder, oh I wonder what the Messiah would have said if the man had not said, What do I still lack? 

Maranatha .      

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