Amen, since denial is what the godless people who changed descent with modification within kinds started with. Then they advanced on to telling mankind that they don't believe God since they know more than He does.
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The 'debate' was settled over a hundred years ago. What is happening today isn't debate ; it's denial.
I don't have to refute you because:Typical remark from someone who cannot refute me (prove me wrong) either Scripturally scientifically or historically. FYI, My view agrees with every other discovered Truth of mankind, as you will soon see. God Bless you
That's just wishful thinking in the face of irrefutable evidence.False. The only thing that has changed is its name. Descent with modification within kinds was changed into the godless term "evolution" by godless people who wished to eliminate God from His Own Creation. Be ashamed of lying to children.
No. I'm done with your hypotheticals, and I already demonstrated how insignificant it would be even if it was. That you can't seem to understand that this isn't the same thing as a Precambrian rabbit sounds like a personal problem you don't feel like fixing.lets say for the sake of the a rgument that its a real track.
-_- why would people claim evolution was false based on a likely misidentified fossil? This is why I refused to agree to your premise of assuming that it was real for the sake of argument; the evaluation of the fossil is far too questionable in reality. I told you, I am not dealing with your hypotheticals anymore. The reality is that the identification of these fossils as belonging to tetrapods is questionable at best. You have to accept that reality.actually its more like 162345 since its predate about 5 missing links between fish and tetrapod evolution:
(image from wiki)
but as you can see: no one is claiming that evolution is false.
-_- and yet, that beetle species doesn't share any more genes with humans than the things actually more closely related to humans, such as other vertebrates, as can easily be seen in the relevant cladogram:first: what is the problem with 22 gene loss actually? we can claim that these species were just dont need this gene anymore so they lost it. no problem.
2) we actually do find similar cases. for instance:
Evolution by gene loss
"To date, the red flour beetle (Tribolium casteneum) has preserved the largest number of patchy orthologues that are also present in humans but that were lost in all other sequenced insects"
see how we can always claim for a gene loss?
The DNA of all life on this planet shares genetic hereditary and it can and has already been traced to demonstrate the tree (and in some early parts, bush) of life.
proof of elaborate deception more like it... As a matter of fact, there is a measurable increase in the intelligence of humans throughout the ages, no injection of non-existent intelligence laden parallel humans for which there's no evidence whatsoever required at all (and ironically would had to have contained a near identical genome anyway, replete with all the ERVs otherwise there's no interbreeding between them)Does Human intelligence appear in genetics? No. Checking the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people confirms Genesis 6:4 which shows that Humans and the sons of God (prehistoric people) can produce offspring. Since there were some 1 Million prehistoric people here when the Ark arrived, ALL Humans have the genetics of Humans (His kind) Gen 2:7 and sons of God (Their kind) Gen 1:21 within their veins. Since NO man could have known this more than 3k years ago, its proof of God.
Meanwhile, on planet Earth, the natives understand exactly what I meant. Even the least educated and foolish of them are astute enough to ignore a worldview that gives unique a whole new meaning. Rhetorical question: why did I click the line that said Show Ignored Messages?Sorry, but that's an oxymoron. Christians are those who have been born Spiritually by God the Trinity. Gen 1:26 John 14:16 Rom 8:9 We were born Spiritually, into the 3rd Heaven like you were born physically in the present 2nd Heaven. You cannot change either fact.
-_- why would people claim evolution was false based on a likely misidentified fossil? This is why I refused to agree to your premise of assuming that it was real for the sake of argument; the evaluation of the fossil is far too questionable in reality. I told you, I am not dealing with your hypotheticals anymore. The reality is that the identification of these fossils as belonging to tetrapods is questionable at best. You have to accept that reality.
Also, in case you didn't notice, a ton of those transitionals have overlapping ranges in which they lived, even based on the fossils we have. They are cousins, not direct ancestors to each other. In fact, if you bother to observe the thin lines of the cladogram, not a single one of these is listed as a species at the base of a branching point.
Also, are you just going to ignore the fact that the fossil record for this time period is extremely incomplete relative to anything more modern?
You want irrefutable evidence against evolution, and the best way to do that is for something so drastic it cannot reasonably be explained away.
EVERY SINGLE ORGANISM between the lineages of this beetle species and humans would have to lack at least 1 of the genes that they share.
So, where's the strawberry with hair follicle genes? Are you going to present evidence for your actual claims or not?
You have some very creative ideas on what you think would not falsify evolution if it was supposed to falsify evolution - do you have any real world examples? Because pushing humans back to 60mya because "tetrapods" is just showing your statement to be uninformed... to be charitable...the problem here is that even if its a true fossil no one is claiming that evolution is false because of that. so what they do in such a case? one possibility is to claim for convergent evolution. means that tetrapod evolved twice. the second possibility is to push back tetrapod origin. and indeed we have other evidence which point to this possibility:
Rise of the Earliest Tetrapods: An Early Devonian Origin from Marine Environment
"According to our analysis this evolution occurred at about 397–416 MYA during the Early Devonian unlike previously thought"
so now we see that we can push back human to dinos age without a real problem for evolution.
Not even in your own dreams.i just show you that even a human with dino fossil can be explain by this way.
These are known phenomenon in genetics. It remains to be seen if these other methods are indeed what happened, but the fact remains that of the 20,000 or so active genes in the human genome, these 145 or so unaccounted for genes are minor given the hundreds of millions of years of evolutonary heritage we do account for. As the article says, we might still find they're of vertical inheritance and that fragments of these genes will be found in those other species sharing close heritage. Just because we don't find them operational in the genome of in-between species, doesn't mean there's no remnant of those genes there.what about these case?:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/humans-may-harbor-more-100-genes-other-organisms
and guess what?: "but says that there are other explanations for the identified genes being present in only some branches of the evolutionary tree—a gene that existed in a far-off ancestor could have simply been lost in many relatives other than two seemingly unrelated species, for instance. “
this is just what i said. see how easy it is to explain anything by evolution?
Well, let me try to recast Genesis 1 in terms more palatable to you.I don't have to refute you because:
A) You haven't presented anything other than claims,
B) All the evidence we have demonstrates your claims wrong already, and
C) You haven't been able to explain why the evidence we already have should be set aside or ignored.
That's just wishful thinking in the face of irrefutable evidence.
The DNA of all life on this planet shares genetic hereditary and it can and has already been traced to demonstrate the tree (and in some early parts, bush) of life. It doesn't eliminate your (or anyone elses') God from this equation unless your interpretation of your God requires individual and unique creation of various life forms that we see today - because that didn't happen.
Hello and thanks for that Erik!Well, let me try to recast Genesis 1 in terms more palatable to you.
St. Peter wrote that a "day" in Scripture ("Biblical day") could be a thousand years (2 Pet 3). Early Christians, using the Greek LXX OT, dating Creation to 5500 BC, therefore dated the 7th Biblical Day, the Biblical Sabbath of the expected Messianic Millennium, to span 500-1500 AD or so.
Now, the OT describes God as the "Ancient of Days". In more modern terms, a vague Biblical "day" might be a million... or even a billion years?
The Bible describes God as intervening in terrestrial history, from the foundation of the world. (That is the one key word.)
If that foundation really occurred 5 billion years ago, then God in heaven has somehow been remotely manipulating events in our Solar System since it was a proto-stellar nebula. Heavenly Power has continued to "steer" and "guide" unfolding events, according to a Divine Master Plan, from then until now.
The OT & NT describe some of those Heavenly interventions in terrestrial, human history. Storms that free the Israelites from Egypt. Earthquakes that block the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into Canaan. Earthquakes that freed the Apostles from prisons. As if "God in heaven has weather & geo-modification satellites that can reach earth".
Heavenly Power has long been intervening into events on earth, which therefore have never been entirely 100% "natural", but always under the sporadic but effective interventions of the Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial. Those interventions have "cultivated" earth, and humanity, according to an archaic Divine Master Plan, predating everything we know about earth, its geology, and the biology now inhabiting it.
Not that human science is "wrong" per se. But it's incomplete, currently over-looking the subtle, sporadic, but powerful & effective Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial interventions into happenings in our Solar System, from its original nebula onwards.
According to the Bible, the earth formed, and life evolved, under the Observation & Intervention of God in heaven. Everything that has happened has been "cultivated" according to God's Divine Plan.
proof of elaborate deception more like it... As a matter of fact, there is a measurable increase in the intelligence of humans throughout the ages, no injection of non-existent intelligence laden parallel humans for which there's no evidence whatsoever required at all (and ironically would had to have contained a near identical genome anyway, replete with all the ERVs otherwise there's no interbreeding between them)
This could be the case in that God has an unseen hand in such occurrences here in reality, but Aman has a very "unique" interpretation which not only violently departs from what we actually do know, but injects entire swathes of unevidenced happenstance over and above these wildly inaccurate stories of his. This is obviously a strange tale to tell even his fellow Christians, let alone non-believers or even believers of other religions if Christianity is to be taken seriously.
Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution
This doesn’t need to be a scientific or religious dissertation, simply what you feel about the subject.
There's no reason to think that's the case, even if your special reinterpretation of your bible verses were somehow correct. All of the actual evidence we have, says you're wrong.The HOW did the descendants of Apes change into Humans (descendants of Adam)? ONLY God and Adam had the superior intelligence of Humans and ONLY by INHERITING Adam's superior intelligence can one become a reasoning Human with the ability to discern the difference between good and evil.
Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus)said, Behold, the man (Heb-Adam) is become as one of Us, (Trinity) to know good and evil:
One of the names of God refers to Them (Trinity) as "The Judges". Only Humans (descendants of Adam) and God have the ability to Judge. It's because in the future we shall have dominion or rule over every other living creature. Genesis 1:28
You do have quite a lot of spectacular reinterpretative ideas about the Bible which quite a lot of other Christians don't agree with, but even a broken clock can be right twice a day, so that you have some passages that others do agree with, isn't going to be a total surprise. What many Christians would disagree with, is that these so called "last days" are here already. We are literally living better now per capita than at any other time in recorded history - longer life, better quality of life, etc. Again, the evidence isn't on your side.My "interpretation" is NOT unique, but is the understanding of Christians in the last days before Jesus returns. Only the Spiritual Christians who live in the last days have the "increased knowledge" to understand Genesis. The Lord told Daniel HOW He hid His scientific Truth in Genesis One.
Dan 12:4¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
In the end God will pour out His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) upon ALL flesh, including atheists agnostics and even to evolutionists and all Godhaters.
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:
Get ready ole unbelievers for the Spirit of Truth is coming through the increased knowledge of Science. God works in mysterious ways. Amen?
. I sorta believe the same but Science has no way to determine this and I do trust physicists to tell me how old the earth is. I’m not an “Intelligent Design” believer as ID is more of an attempt to circumvent the laws against preaching in the school system than actual legitimate science. Since I don’t believe that the Bible is inerrant, I tend to trust science and historians over Bible based histories or natural phenomena.Well, let me try to recast Genesis 1 in terms more palatable to you.
St. Peter wrote that a "day" in Scripture ("Biblical day") could be a thousand years (2 Pet 3). Early Christians, using the Greek LXX OT, dating Creation to 5500 BC, therefore dated the 7th Biblical Day, the Biblical Sabbath of the expected Messianic Millennium, to span 500-1500 AD or so.
Now, the OT describes God as the "Ancient of Days". In more modern terms, a vague Biblical "day" might be a million... or even a billion years?
The Bible describes God as intervening in terrestrial history, from the foundation of the world. (That is the one key word.)
If that foundation really occurred 5 billion years ago, then God in heaven has somehow been remotely manipulating events in our Solar System since it was a proto-stellar nebula. Heavenly Power has continued to "steer" and "guide" unfolding events, according to a Divine Master Plan, from then until now.
The OT & NT describe some of those Heavenly interventions in terrestrial, human history. Storms that free the Israelites from Egypt. Earthquakes that block the Jordan for the Israelites to cross into Canaan. Earthquakes that freed the Apostles from prisons. As if "God in heaven has weather & geo-modification satellites that can reach earth".
Heavenly Power has long been intervening into events on earth, which therefore have never been entirely 100% "natural", but always under the sporadic but effective interventions of the Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial. Those interventions have "cultivated" earth, and humanity, according to an archaic Divine Master Plan, predating everything we know about earth, its geology, and the biology now inhabiting it.
Not that human science is "wrong" per se. But it's incomplete, currently over-looking the subtle, sporadic, but powerful & effective Supra-natural, Supra-terrestrial interventions into happenings in our Solar System, from its original nebula onwards.
According to the Bible, the earth formed, and life evolved, under the Observation & Intervention of God in heaven. Everything that has happened has been "cultivated" according to God's Divine Plan.
There's no reason to think that's the case, even if your special reinterpretation of your bible verses were somehow correct. All of the actual evidence we have, says you're wrong.
How did Apes become human? Well for one thing humans never stopped being apes. The flippant answer to your question is - slowly. It took about 7 million years.
A brief description of the about 25 protohuman species that branched from the chimp/bonobo lineage would really take a book.
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