That's all completely irrelevant. There is no his/their/its, so it doesn't matter what claims you make about understanding those words.
In simple English - if the word does not exist, you cannot use it in an argument.
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That's all completely irrelevant. There is no his/their/its, so it doesn't matter what claims you make about understanding those words.I know but Christians who have been born again Spiritually by God the Trinity can understand the difference between God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Their speaks of the Trinity and His speaks of the kind which Jesus made from the dust of the ground. God also tells us that those who have NOT been born again Spiritually cannot understand that which is Spiritual. Have you been born again Spiritually?
Yes. I'm trying to understand why you evade, dissemble and resort to dishonesty so much.Could it be that you are trying to understand that which is concealed from you?
It didn't change those prehistoric people (sons of God) into Humans because ONLY the descendants of Adam are Humans.
NOTHING which had it's origin in WATER can evolve Human intelligence (the Ability to know both good and evil). ONLY God and Adam's descendants have this ability. Genesis 3:22
Wonderful. Pick any one of these and refute it:
1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016
2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang,
3. Chromosone 2 fusion shows that Adam, the first Human was first made, long before plants, herbs, rain, trees, or any prehistoric person. Genesis 2:4-7
Please show how Genesis 1:24 agrees with this finding.Wonderful. Pick any one of these and refute it:
1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016
Clarification: do you want arguments specifically about god's existence, or any creationist argument in general?
Are you asking about YEC or just someone who believes god created?
Speedwell answered how I would have.
I never said it did.
Because you called atheists elitists, so it clearly bugs you.
I have always been open-minded. I was once an evolution bashing, fundamental evangelical myself.
Why? You'll just scoff and say, "nah, couldn't be that. It was real."
But whatever....people's minds can do amazing things when emotions are strong, and it has nothing to do with our mental health; it can happen to anyone.
Why were the ladies laying hands and praying with you?
Were you going through something particularly rough at the time?
Some cause for emotions to be heightened?
Sometimes it doesn't even take much. You mentioned that you are Pentecostal. When I was in the Army, a friend of mine invited me to his Pentecostal church service. I was a conservative Baptist at the time, and believed that spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues, prophecy, and some others were no longer given in modern times. And honestly, the service was a bit uncomfortable for me. But the energy in there was palpable. And even though I didn't believe speaking in tongues was still a thing, I couldn't help but want to be a part of it.
To feel what they were feeling. But you see, everyone there felt the same, had the desire to feel lifted. And it builds. And builds. And you start to convince yourself that something is happening. And the leaders know what to say and sing to egg it on...not in a deceptive way, because they are fully convinced themselves.
And before you ask, no, I did not speak in tongues at the service.
And that euphoria is not just for spiritual/religious things, either.
One can become so emotionally invested in their favorite sports team that they become euphoric, PARTICULARLY when others are doing it with you. Or due to pride when your child is accomplishing something special.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Cause I know you aren't buying what I'm saying, and I've already told you that second hand testimonies are not very convincing.
I feel that it is not the type of claim toward which I am incredulous.
I don't believe there was anything supernatural about my own past emotional states, why would I believe yours. ;-)
You always do this. You know that is not what I meant, but you twist the meaning hoping for a "gotcha" moment. Try taking my comments at face value, and have a normal conversation, rather than a debate you are trying to win.
Why is that a bad thing?
Of course. I've learned that it is far less humiliating to admit you are wrong....and everyone is sometimes...when you keep in mind that, hey, I might be wrong, so let's see what I can learn.
That depends on which version you're talking about.
A lot of things are involved, but at it's root, I'd say it's philosophical; more specifically, logic.
Ironic, since you still have not answered the first questions I asked in this discussion, except to say that you don't care. Not to mention the fact that you never answered my last post in our last discussion as you said you would.
You always have. Why stop now?
Yes, you are very adept at changing the question asked of you to a question you would rather answer instead. Pretty easy to get where you want when you do that.
Philosophy/logic
I never said I was certain there is no god.
No, education is not brain washing. The evidence that supports evolution can be confirmed. If brainwashing was the case this could not be done.Your mean the brain washing I suffered through in School? They fooled me for a while, while I was a small child, but I grew up. Want to try to get me to place my FAITH in the idea that i'm nothing but an evolved Ape? That I'm going to live for a few years and then die and rot just like any other animal? Forget it unless you can explain the procedure of placing the highest intelligence in the Universe, into Apes?
The SAME applies to god denying Atheists, too.
Hey @46AND2 and i hope you are having a wonderful day.
I realise that some of the info i request may not arrive the way i was hoping, so ive been checking out your history to see what answers i could find - call it truth seeking, right?
So ive decided to put some of your quotes together to make a summary of your belief system and to get the answers i suspect you may not divulge - possibly due to 15 years of conversing with 'us' and doing too much explaining.
I hope i remain true to the context of what you say.
"It is totally fine to quote a portion of someone's statement, as long as the usage of that statement is true to the overall context of the passage, and/or the position of the person being quoted
I was raised in a YEC Baptist home. Mostly I come to these boards because I am a truth seeker
My atheism is due to a combination of philosophy, logic, anthropology, history, psychology and sociology (I think those cover most, if not all, of my reasons).
My loss of faith had much more to do with philosophy (logic, specifically) and history. Philosophy is not my strong point, to be sure, the philosophies are what is important here. I spent more than a decade fighting to retain my faith.
For me, no matter how you looked at God's attributes, at some point, you have to defy logic to believe. I was a "theistic evolutionist" for most of my adult life after being raised YEC (although it's been nearly as long since I accepted my inability to believe)
As a former Christian, it pained me greatly when I found such deliberate misleading among apologists. I've seen them take quotes out of context to make it look like scientists are saying something they are not; sometimes even the exact opposite of what the scientist is saying in the full text. IOW, quote mining.
I was a "theistic evolutionist" long before I accepted my atheism. I have no problem with people who find harmony in the two.
My position is that belief is an involuntary conviction based on information and stimuli to which you have been exposed. And much of what you explained about something being a choice of belief, is no more than a reaction to additional information.
My argument was that according to the scientific method, nothing can be absolutely proven; that this is what makes the scientific method work. Nothing is immune from skepticism, or we would not be open to consider any and all possibilities, and let future evidence guide us to a conclusion. I also mentioned that you cannot prove the absence of something; at least not without accounting for everything else in a given space.
One can have zero belief in something, and yet not rule out the possibility of being proven wrong in the future. Indeed, one can believe that it is irrational to accept something, and still maintain skepticism, citing unknown future observations
While it is true that many atheists here conflate the existence of God with the existence of, say, Leprechauns, they also would hasten to add that we cannot disprove the existence of Leprechauns, either.
But I don't think their arguments are so much "evolution, therefore no god" but rather "natural explanation, therefore, why god?"
Since we cannot disprove a supernatural entity, I cannot know that there are no gods. I don't hold the position that we do.
There is no majority/expert/consensus opinion on god.
So when I started to lose my faith, it wasn't hell I feared--because my belief in hell waned along with my faith in god--it was the nothingness that I now expect after death. It's hard for me to describe, but the ceasing of consciousness freaks the hell out of me. Pardon the pun. And so I pleaded with god for a long time to renew my faith, and sought answers to my doubts through Bible, prayer, and counsel...all for more than a decade, and even kind of continues now, a decade later.
And yes, I still have that fear of death. But I don't fear hell. I'm sure many of the Christians here will disagree with me, but if god exists, and is as loving a father as they say, I don't think he'd punish me for all eternity after earnestly seeking him out and simply being incapable of believing.
Because belief is not a choice. It's an involuntary conviction based on information and stimuli to which you have been exposed--and the more of that I gain, the more profound my disbelief becomes, despite my continuous attempt at the opposite. I look at my lack of faith in the same way a scientist looks at a hypothesis. By testing it in ways that could falsify it."
Dont worry about answering my last post, this effectively skips weeks of back and forth.
Lets start fresh and and lets look at the summary i made.
What do you think about this summary and do you accept its validity?
Cheers
Which further contradicts the claim that science lines up with the Bible re: the first life (not to mention the first humans). Which further demonstrates that your claims of agreement of your interpretation of the Bible and science, history, genetics, etc, is false.
Now you're going to claim an alternative Biblical interpretation based on the wholly unsupported claim that the first humans were made on some alternative world.
And round 'n round we go.
Do you have anything different or interesting to say? Or are you going to keep going in circles?
That's all completely irrelevant. There is no his/their/its, so it doesn't matter what claims you make about understanding those words.
In simple English - if the word does not exist, you cannot use it in an argument.
Yes. I'm trying to understand why you evade, dissemble and resort to dishonesty so much.
Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Can you, hand on heart, say that you are dealing truly? Can you honestly say that nobody has shown error in your claims?
Please show a scientific source that shows that those prehistoric people were sons of God, and that there was an actual Adam.
Bible passages are not citations.
I've already done so.
Science knew life came from the water long before 2016, so your claim here is false. The Bible even disagrees with you, because according to Genesis, Cattle and creeping things came from the Earth. You are forced to go through a whole bunch of stretched interpretations of the Bible to justify your position, and you have been unable to justify your reasoning.
The earth is not older than the Big Bang.
Chromosome 2 fusion shows no such thing. You do not understand the science that you are talking about.
And this is not the first time I have told you this. I have to wonder why you insist on constantly using points that have been refuted before - particularly when you KNOW they are refuted.
Please show how Genesis 1:24 agrees with this finding.
Let me help you out - the bible disagrees with you. Was this another error of the translators?
You have been refuted.
No, education is not brain washing. The evidence that supports evolution can be confirmed. If brainwashing was the case this could not be done.
Atheists do not "deny God" since no reliable evidence has been given for God. Once again you are not reasoning rationally.
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