Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

Aman777 · Sep 6, 2019

Kylie said:
Of course no man could have known that. That's why he wrote that a lot of it came from the ground instead, like cattle, and creeping things and Humans themselves.

Sorry, but that is false. God the invisible Spirit, The Trinity, does not create from the creation elements made in the beginning, air, dust and water. This is because these things are APART from God and contaminated with death. Genesis 1:2 Anything made from these creation elements will die, or suffer entropy.

God the Trinity created every living (Eternal) creature that moveth. God the Son/Jesus makes or forms TEMPORARY creatures from the contaminated Earth, like mankind, who is subject to darkness or death. In the end, there will be NO temporary creatures because everything living will be with God forever in Christ.

Aman777 · Sep 6, 2019

Kylie said:
Actually, it would be more accurate to say that you have come up with an interpretation of Scripture that matches what science has shown us, just so you can say that scripture said it first, even though there is scant evidence to support your claim that your interpretation is the intended one.

And, of course, you are basing your interpretation on, "Well, this is what science says, so I have to find an interpretation that agrees with science." Once again, religion bending over backwards to accommodate science, because as well all know, when science and religion disagree, it's always science that wins because science produces results.

Can you give us an example? Of course not. If you could, you would have done it long ago. Try to get Genesis to agree with every other discovered Truth and you might learn something. Don't look now, but the traditional understanding of Genesis is changing because Jesus is coming Today, on the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven. ALL Humans live and die Today. Heb 9:27

Aman777 · Sep 6, 2019

SLP said:
I missed where this was shown to BE a fact.

Here. Genesis 1:21 AND https://www.smithsonianmag.com › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa...Jul 26, 2016 -

It's proof of God.

Aman777 · Sep 6, 2019

pitabread said:
First evidence of farming in Mideast 23,000 years ago: Evidence of earliest small-scale agricultural cultivation

Oops, looks like science doesn't agree with you again.

The article does NOT say that the sons of God (prehistoric people) farmed but that they were fishermen and they found "weeds" around their camp. From the site:

"While full-scale agriculture did not develop until much later, our study shows that trial cultivation began far earlier than previously believed, and gives us reason to rethink our ancestors' capabilities," said Prof. Sternberg. "Those early ancestors were more clever and more skilled than we knew."

Cave men grow weeds and Humans farm. Amen?

pitabread · Sep 6, 2019

Aman777 said:
The article does NOT say that the sons of God (prehistoric people) farmed but that they were fishermen and they found "weeds" around their camp.

It shows that cultivation of plants (which really, that's what farming is) started much earlier than 11,000 years ago. And as expected, these types of inventions didn't just 'suddenly' appear but had a longer cycle of development over time. Just like the examples of prehistoric musical instruments show a longer history of development.

I do know that you have to reject these scientific findings because they don't line up with your beliefs. It just reinforces that your beliefs and science don't line up the way you keep claiming they do.

Aman777 · Sep 6, 2019

pitabread said:
I do know that you have to reject these scientific findings because they don't line up with your beliefs. It just reinforces that your beliefs and science don't line up the way you keep claiming they do.

My interest is in learning the Truth and not lining up my view with the current view since I know it's wrong because it does NOT agree with God's Truth.

pitabread · Sep 6, 2019

Aman777 said:
My interest is in learning the Truth and not lining up my view with the current view since I know it's wrong because it does NOT agree with God's Truth.

Then you might want to stop claiming, "Scripture, science, history, genetics and math support my view." when there is clearly a huge asterisk* attached to the statement.

*(Namely that you've cherry-picked what you deem to be "truth" in the instance of science, history, etc, etc.)

pitabread · Sep 6, 2019

the iconoclast said:
There is a pattern, a pattern of you making generalized statements. Its not my homework, its yours. You made a heap of statements which you were not prepared to defend or possibly, didnt know how to.

I'm just conveying my general experience on this forum. You can believe me or not, that is your choice. I don't care either way.

But I'm not about to comb through thousands of posts from the last few years just for the sake of examples of things I've seen throughout my time here.

I have noticed an elitist attitude by some who oppose creationism. My favorite is when our iq and grasp of reality is mocked.

My general experience is that creationists reject an objective basis for determining the validity of ideas and consequently tend to make up whatever reality they want. Hence, why you see so many different forms of creationism being preached here, some of which directly contradict one another.

This also seems to be why you rarely if ever see creationists defending each others ideas. You do sometimes see them arguing with each other though.

Well dont be shy, what am i to defend or argue?

I'm not asking you to defend or argue anything. I'm simply pointing out that you seem unfamiliar with what creationists are espousing on this forum.

I'm also not particular interested in educating you on what different creationists believe, since you can read their posts of your own volition.

Bungle_Bear · Sep 6, 2019

Aman777 said:
No, because I can clearly see that God created first from water on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 I can also see that LORD God formed temporary creatures, which were subject to death, from the ground, on the present 6th Day. Genesis 2:19

As you can see, there are two creations, the Eternal one by God the Trinity and the temporary creations formed by LORD God, or the Son of God, called YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. Jesus also made Adam/mankind who MUST be born again Spiritually by God the Trinity in order to see the Kingdom of God. Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16

Unless you know both God the Father and God the Son, you will remain in darkness. I see the temporary formations of creatures by Jesus as the common ancestors which is what Science calls them. Amen?

Let me put it in words a primary school child can understand:

1. Science says ALL life originated in water
2. Genesis says some life did not originate in water
3. Science does not agree with Genesis

Kylie · Sep 7, 2019

the iconoclast said:
You speak of science like it is your faith. Your faith is in men who reason with facts, dont think its anything more special than that.

You really think that what I have is equivalent to religious faith? If that's true, then you really have no idea what science is.

Kylie · Sep 7, 2019

Aman777 said:
Sorry, but that is false. God the invisible Spirit, The Trinity, does not create from the creation elements made in the beginning, air, dust and water. This is because these things are APART from God and contaminated with death. Genesis 1:2 Anything made from these creation elements will die, or suffer entropy.

God the Trinity created every living (Eternal) creature that moveth. God the Son/Jesus makes or forms TEMPORARY creatures from the contaminated Earth, like mankind, who is subject to darkness or death. In the end, there will be NO temporary creatures because everything living will be with God forever in Christ.

Cool story, but without support from credible sources, it's just that - a story.

If all you can do is hold up your stories and claim they are real, you will find that very few people find you convincing.

Kylie · Sep 7, 2019

Aman777 said:
Can you give us an example? Of course not. If you could, you would have done it long ago. Try to get Genesis to agree with every other discovered Truth and you might learn something. Don't look now, but the traditional understanding of Genesis is changing because Jesus is coming Today, on the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven. ALL Humans live and die Today. Heb 9:27

An example of you portraying your interpretation of scripture as fact so you can claim that religion got it first?

Just about every single post you make falls into that category.

Kylie · Sep 7, 2019

Aman777 said:
Here. Genesis 1:21 AND https://www.smithsonianmag.com › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa...Jul 26, 2016 -

It's proof of God.

Once again you ignore the parts of the Bible that talk about creatures being formed from the ground instead of the water, and make up stories to explain away the discrepancy.

And again you ignore the fact that scientists had figured out that life probably arose in the water LONG before 2016.

Why do you keep presenting these arguments when you have been shown why they are wrong?

Bungle_Bear · Sep 7, 2019

Aman777 said:
Sorry, but that is false. God the invisible Spirit, The Trinity, does not create from the creation elements made in the beginning, air, dust and water. This is because these things are APART from God and contaminated with death. Genesis 1:2 Anything made from these creation elements will die, or suffer entropy.

God the Trinity created every living (Eternal) creature that moveth. God the Son/Jesus makes or forms TEMPORARY creatures from the contaminated Earth, like mankind, who is subject to darkness or death. In the end, there will be NO temporary creatures because everything living will be with God forever in Christ.

God doesn't create from air, dust or water BUT he created everything that moves from water and creepy things from earth (dust). And I'd guess the birds were from air?

You contradict yourself so often you probably have no idea what position you're arguing at any given point, do you?

Aman777 · Sep 7, 2019

pitabread said:
Then you might want to stop claiming, "Scripture, science, history, genetics and math support my view." when there is clearly a huge asterisk* attached to the statement.

They do support my view and NO one can refute that fact. You don't like it because I give more credibility to God than anything of man. When I discovered God's Truth, I had NO idea that Genesis would agree in every way with every other Truth.

pitabread said:
*(Namely that you've cherry-picked what you deem to be "truth" in the instance of science, history, etc, etc.)

Then someone as knowledgeable as you should refute me, but all i see is criticism. Try to do better.

pitabread · Sep 7, 2019

Aman777 said:
They do support my view and NO one can refute that fact.

You've been refuted eight ways from Sunday. You're just in complete denial at this point.

Then someone as knowledgeable as you should refute me, but all i see is criticism.

All I see is denial.

Aman777 · Sep 7, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
Let me put it in words a primary school child can understand:

Ad hominem inferring that my knowledge is less than a 1st grader, is noted.

Bungle_Bear said:
1. Science says ALL life originated in water

Science has NO idea where the life came from, but simply understands that every living thing on Earth can be traced back to the last universal common ancestor which SUDDENLY appeared in WATER, 3.8 billion years ago. Genesis 1:21 AGREES and shows WHERE that life came from. It came to be by God's Word, and not from nothing as the current scientific consensus states. It states this because scientists are ignorant of the true beginning of life on this planet.

2. Genesis says some life did not originate in water

False. Chapter and verse please.

3. Science does not agree with Genesis[/QUOTE]

Then WHY can't someone refute just ONE of my proofs of God. Try this one:

6. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of future events, at the end of the present 6th Day, after Jesus returns to this Earth in the future

UNLESS someone can show us a time in the PAST when Humans had dominion over mosquitoes, viruses and Angels.

Aman777 · Sep 7, 2019

Kylie said:
Once again you ignore the parts of the Bible that talk about creatures being formed from the ground instead of the water, and make up stories to explain away the discrepancy.

ALL of the creatures formed from the dust of the ground are temporary creatures and subject to DEATH. ALL of the "living" creatures, created from WATER on the 5th Day, are Eternal creatures, destined for Heaven. In order for creatures formed from the dust to get to Heaven, they MUST be born again by God the Trinity.

Kylie said:
And again you ignore the fact that scientists had figured out that life probably arose in the water LONG before 2016.

No man figured it out 3k years ago. It's proof of God, no matter how much that bothers you.

Kylie said:
Why do you keep presenting these arguments when you have been shown why they are wrong?

Replying to my posts is NOT showing that they are wrong. IF someone here could show that I was wrong in any way, I would be happy to change my view. Amen?

Aman777 · Sep 7, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
God doesn't create from air, dust or water

God the Son does. He takes some of the air, dust and water and sculpts it into shape, breathes life into it, and thus a "common ancestor" is made for Adam to name. Genesis 2:19

Bungle_Bear said:
And I'd guess the birds were from air?

No, Jesus also made those Genesis 2:19 and God the Father made them ETERNAL by ALSO creating them Eternally from Water. Genesis 1:21

Bungle_Bear said:
You contradict yourself so often you probably have no idea what position you're arguing at any given point, do you?

I'm sorry you are so frustrated. Ask God for the faith to believe in Jesus and His finished work. Then, you will be able to understand.

Aman777 · Sep 7, 2019

pitabread said:
You've been refuted eight ways from Sunday. You're just in complete denial at this point.

All I see is denial.

Prove it and post an example or everyone will see your frustration trying to support the incomplete ToE. I told you it was flawed to begin with. Now you know.

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