Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

Kylie · Aug 29, 2019

Aman777 said:
Can you tell us WHY it took Science until 2016 to find out the same thing God told us in Genesis more than 3k years ago?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa...Jul 26, 2016

Are you suggesting that prior to this, scientists had no idea that life originated in water? Care to provide a source for that? Because you're making a claim here that doesn't seem very likely - that scientists didn't know this until 2016.

In any case, it doesn't refute my point - that people back then knew that water was needed for life. And your original claim - that all life came from water, according to the Bible - is refuted by the Bible itself, specifically, Gen 1:11 which states that plants came from the ground, not the water, Gen 1:21 which only specifically mentions whales and birds, and more generally refers to living things which come from water, and so appears to only talk about aquatic life, and also Gen 1:24 which talks about cattle, creeping things and beasts of the earth actually coming from the Earth, NOT the water!

So much for your point if you have to ignore the Bible to make it!

Sure. It's at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey under 11k years of volcanic debris. Noah walked down from the mile high Lake into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Planet. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

No it isn't.

The earth is older than 11,000 years old. And showing me a picture of a map does NOT mean that what you say actually happened.

Sure.
https://www.nature.com › news
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Scientifically, the Neanderthal married a ancient group of Denisomes who was before them. This causes the chromosome 2 to fuse. It's why every Human has this trait today. The SAME thing happened 11k years ago when the Ark arrived bringing the OLDEST, most ancient Humans who had NO other Humans to marry. Like Cain, on Adam's Earth, they married and had children with the prehistoric people who had been here for millions of years before the Ark arrived. Genesis 6:4

Again, no.

You can't disprove the scientific explanation by starting with assumptions from your beliefs.

Then why did it take 3k years for Science to find out what is written in Genesis?

It didn't.

Projecting your uneducated view upon me is not allowed. All I can say is that you seriously need more study.

Uh, no.

You need to stop basing your arguments on assumptions and then pretending that those assumption-based ideas are proof against science.

Abraxos · Aug 30, 2019

inquiring mind said:
This doesn’t need to be a scientific or religious dissertation, simply what you feel about the subject.

For me, I love the Bible and science, but this wondrous universe coming about spontaneously from singularity (the meaning of which I barely understand) in a big bang, without the mighty hand of God; a “single cell something” rising up from a mud hole (primordial soup of some kind) “on its own” in baron, inhospitable conditions and becoming “the common ancestor” in a linear progression to the varieties of everything on a beautifully complex earth, including man... well, just step back from all the jargon and defense for a moment and look at that picture. I know there are a lot of Christians who enjoy investigating God’s creation, I do myself (my handle is inquiring mind), but how people are completely sold on that “one in a gazillion” possibility, and at the same time regard the biblical creation by an Almighty God (however and by whatever means He desired to accomplish it) to be a fairy tale, really puzzles me.

I think the theory of evolution will never be acknowledged as false until it is officially done so. I also think the young earth narrative (from the likes of Ken Ham and Hovind) has placed a heavy hand on determining their biblical interpretation as absolute truth.

I'm somewhat sympathetic towards YEC arguments, but when it comes to dates and numbers of years, it is merely based on a literal biblical approach which determines that the earth is young. It leads to a false dichotomy of either you believe in a young earth or old earth and leaves little room for someone to voice a more relative perspective on the matter not to mention other issues., for example, the eating habits of carnivorous animals.

Bungle_Bear · Aug 30, 2019

Aman777 said:
I agree that you have refuted yourself again. Read this and weep:

Wiki:>>Across the state, there are 3,700 named streams and 15 major rivers accounting for over 80,000 mi (130,000 km) of waterways.

As I posted, Texas has almost 4k streams, which ALL the Rivers on Adam's world were. You don't have large deep Rivers on a flat world. Amen?

My, you're a slippery little wriggler, aren't you?

Your original claim was that Adam's world had 4 rivers and Texas had nearly 4000 rivers. I pointed out the discrepancy, so now you want to the claim that Adam's world had 4 steams and Texas has 3700 streams.

I'll easily refute any number of rivers or streams you choose, but you need to pick one and stick with it.

Bungle_Bear · Aug 30, 2019

Aman777 said:
Sure it is. Chromosome 2 fusion shows an older archaic group marry and producing children with a younger group causes this fusion.
Mum's a Neanderthal, Dad's a Denisovan: First discovery of an ancient ...
https://www.nature.com › news

The introduction of Adam's genes and Cro-Magnon genes produced today's Humans, with the Chromosome 2 fusion in all of them. Science and Scripture agree IF you have the correct interpretation which you do not.

That has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that all animals came from water, while at the same time some of them didn't. I know you rely on changing subject to cover your mistakes, but I'm going to pull you back. Your claim is refuted.

Their kind or the kind made eternally by the Trinity are destined for Heaven. His kind are the temporary kinds, like mankind, who are subject to eternal death.

This nonsense has been refuted by pretty much everyone. And it still doesn't explain her kinds.

46AND2 · Aug 30, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
My, you're a slippery little wriggler, aren't you?

Your original claim was that Adam's world had 4 rivers and Texas had nearly 4000 rivers. I pointed out the discrepancy, so now you want to the claim that Adam's world had 4 steams and Texas has 3700 streams.

I'll easily refute any number of rivers or streams you choose, but you need to pick one and stick with it.

Since Washington State has like a gazillion Douglas Firs, it must be WAY bigger than Texas, which has hardly any.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
It's as literal as you can get. It happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age which cannot end for at least another thousand years in the future. The 7th Day/Age is the Age of Joy where there will be no death. If you make it, you will find that there are NO funeral parlors there since death has already been destroyed. 1Co 15:26

As usual, you miss the point. Science tells us the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the Earth itself is around 4.5 billion years old, the first true mammals appeared about 210 million years ago, the genus Homo around 2.5 million years, and the first Homo Sapiens about 1/3 of a million years ago.

This doesn't match your claim that biblical genesis (which claims 7 days total) agrees with science.

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

Kylie said:
You need to stop basing your arguments on assumptions and then pretending that those assumption-based ideas are proof against science.

I see. Listing a scientific source for the announcement that all life came from water is NOT acceptable to people who are biased against God.

Kylie said:
Are you suggesting that prior to this, scientists had no idea that life originated in water? Care to provide a source for that? Because you're making a claim here that doesn't seem very likely - that scientists didn't know this until 2016.

The fact is that Genesis 1, which was written thousands of years ago, tells us of the Scientific fact that all life came from water for the first time. You're just mad because you cannot, nor ever will, refute God's Truth.

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
My, you're a slippery little wriggler, aren't you?

Your original claim was that Adam's world had 4 rivers and Texas had nearly 4000 rivers. I pointed out the discrepancy, so now you want to the claim that Adam's world had 4 steams and Texas has 3700 streams.

I'll easily refute any number of rivers or streams you choose, but you need to pick one and stick with it.

Why? Can you show evidence that the 4 Rivers which all came from 1 source, were as big as Texas requires to show the difference between Streams and Rivers? Of course not. You were caught being deceitful about how many Rivers were in Texas, and then falsely accused me of being "slippery". You should run for President.

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that all animals came from water, while at the same time some of them didn't. I know you rely on changing subject to cover your mistakes, but I'm going to pull you back. Your claim is refuted.

Please list the living animals which came from the ground. You cannot either Scripturally, scientifically, historically nor genetically. Prove me wrong.

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

46AND2 said:
Since Washington State has like a gazillion Douglas Firs, it must be WAY bigger than Texas, which has hardly any.

FYI. I compared the number of Rivers on Adam's world with the number of Rivers in Texas. In order to do a fair comparison, please list the number of Douglas Firs on Adam's world, compared with the number of Douglas Firs in Washington State. Amen?

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
As usual, you miss the point. Science tells us the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the Earth itself is around 4.5 billion years old, the first true mammals appeared about 210 million years ago, the genus Homo around 2.5 million years, and the first Homo Sapiens about 1/3 of a million years ago.

This doesn't match your claim that biblical genesis (which claims 7 days total) agrees with science.

Mathematically, each of God's Days is best understood as an Age. Each Age is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. Genesis AGREES with Science. A good example is shown in revealing that the Big Bang was late on the 3rd Age. Genesis 2:4 We know this because only 180 billion years later, the first Stars lit up on the 4th Age/Day. Genesis 1:16 It was 9 billion years later, that the Earth appeared at the end of the 5th Day/Age, and living creatures appeared in water 3.8 billion years ago in man's time. Genesis 1:21

The problem is NOT with Science, but with the ancient interpretation of Genesis which falsely assumes that each Day is only 24 hours in man's time.

46AND2 · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
FYI. I compared the number of Rivers on Adam's world with the number of Rivers in Texas. In order to do a fair comparison, please list the number of Douglas Firs on Adam's world, compared with the number of Douglas Firs in Washington State. Amen?

The point was to show that your comparison was a ridiculous way to measure the size of a piece of land. But if you insist...since there were no Douglas Firs on Adam's world, Washington is infinitely larger than Adam's world. Therefore, Adam's world did not exist.

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

46AND2 said:
The point was to show that your comparison was a ridiculous way to measure the size of a piece of land. But if you insist...since there were no Douglas Firs on Adam's world, Washington is infinitely larger than Adam's world. Therefore, Adam's world did not exist.

Then please tell us HOW and WHEN evolution changed Apes into reasoning Humans, since only God and Adam had the superior intelligence Humans have inherited today. Genesis 3:22 Please explain HOW mindless Nature and endless positive mutations let this happen ONLY 1 time and explain WHY it can never be repeated again. Did mindless Nature go away. If it is still here, it CAN happen again. Amen?

46AND2 · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
Then please tell us HOW and WHEN evolution changed Apes into reasoning Humans, since only God and Adam had the superior intelligence Humans have inherited today. Genesis 3:22 Please explain HOW mindless Nature and endless positive mutations let this happen ONLY 1 time and explain WHY it can never be repeated again. Did mindless Nature go away. If it is still here, it CAN happen again. Amen?

What does this have to do with the size of Adam's world? Due to your change of subject, I'll take it as a tacit admission that you now recognize how silly your "rivers in Texas" comparison was.

Aman777 · Aug 31, 2019

46AND2 said:
What does this have to do with the size of Adam's world? Due to your change of subject, I'll take it as a tacit admission that you now recognize how silly your "rivers in Texas" comparison was.

False, since when Adam's entire Earth was watered from only 4 rivers, when it takes almost 4k to water Texas, it shows an Earth much smaller than most think. Adam's entire world was also totally portable since it was placed in the middle of Water, with water above and below the firmament which protected Adam's Earth from the water it was totally immersed into. Genesis 1:6-7 Adam's first Heaven was made the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8

The Canopy on top was designed to open and that is what destroyed Adam's entire Earth. When the windows on high were opened, it "rained" for the first time. The only remnants of Adam's firmament remain at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Until one of the mathematicians here figure out just how many square miles were in Adam's world, i will continue to say "miles wide". I beg and plead for them to go ahead and do the equation.

Was Adam's entire world enclosed in a solid vehicle? which was transportable from Adam's world under water into the present Cosmos? on the 150th day (24 hour days) after the flood began? Yes. Scripture, science, history, genetics and math AGREE.

pitabread · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
Scripture, science, history, genetics and math AGREE.

Except for all the unsupported assertions that you keep making up that are in no way supported by science, history or genetics.

But you're right, aside from basically everything, they do agree.

Bungle_Bear · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
Why? Can you show evidence that the 4 Rivers which all came from 1 source, were as big as Texas requires to show the difference between Streams and Rivers? Of course not. You were caught being deceitful about how many Rivers were in Texas, and then falsely accused me of being "slippery". You should run for President.

You claimed there are almost 4000 rivers in Texas. I pointed out that there are only 15 rivers in Texas. Who was being deceitful?

I notice that you have, once again, changed your claim - Adam's Earth had 4 rivers -> Adam's Earth had 4 streams -> Adam's Earth had 4 rivers. If your argument is irrefutable, why do you flip flop around so much when the pressure is on?

Bungle_Bear · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
Please list the living animals which came from the ground. You cannot either Scripturally, scientifically, historically nor genetically. Prove me wrong.

Genesis 1:24

Bungle_Bear · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
False, since when Adam's entire Earth was watered from only 4 rivers, when it takes almost 4k to water Texas, it shows an Earth much smaller than most think. Adam's entire world was also totally portable since it was placed in the middle of Water, with water above and below the firmament which protected Adam's Earth from the water it was totally immersed into. Genesis 1:6-7 Adam's first Heaven was made the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8

The Canopy on top was designed to open and that is what destroyed Adam's entire Earth. When the windows on high were opened, it "rained" for the first time. The only remnants of Adam's firmament remain at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Until one of the mathematicians here figure out just how many square miles were in Adam's world, i will continue to say "miles wide". I beg and plead for them to go ahead and do the equation.

Was Adam's entire world enclosed in a solid vehicle? which was transportable from Adam's world under water into the present Cosmos? on the 150th day (24 hour days) after the flood began? Yes. Scripture, science, history, genetics and math AGREE.

So much dishonesty, so little content.

Kylie · Aug 31, 2019

Aman777 said:
I see. Listing a scientific source for the announcement that all life came from water is NOT acceptable to people who are biased against God.

The source you posted was NOT the first time people knew life came from water.

Or do you expect us to believe that in 2010, scientists were just looking confused and saying, "Well, gee, we just don't have any ideas at all"?

The fact is that Genesis 1, which was written thousands of years ago, tells us of the Scientific fact that all life came from water for the first time. You're just mad because you cannot, nor ever will, refute God's Truth.

The fact is that back when Gen 1 was written, it would already have been obvious to anyone that water was required for life. You're just mad because you want to force everything into your narrative and I'm stopping you from having your fun.

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