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Monday evening was weird too. It's mostly feelings that give ordinary things more significance. That's the problem with proving anything.
What is your response to that feeling?I think what you are referring to is premonitions. I've had a few of those also long time ago, but it was not same as intuition. Usually my intuition is not about what would happen specifically, but a general feeling that an attack may be directed at me.
My friend had spiritual attacks on himself & his housemates, they experienced strong nightmares, burning sensations & bodily scratches over a period of time, and attributed the attacks to one of their relatives who was known to practice dark magic & had a grudge against them.I was curious if anybody wanted to share their experiences that seemed to be spiritual attacks. I may have experienced such things in the past, and that is one reason why I call myself a "generic theist" instead of an atheist. I feel there is something more than the natural world, but I am pretty confused about it - especially now that I lack the Christian metaphysical framework. I suspect these things happen more often than skeptics realize, but those who experience them prefer not to talk openly due to the giggle factor and a desire to forget and return to normalcy afterwards.
Here are some of my questions:
- Was there a warning sign first?
- How did you react?
- How did the experience affect you long-term?
To be honest, this type of thing bothers me, because it adds a lot of uncertainty and confusion to an otherwise tidy naturalistic model of reality.
What is your response to that feeling?
I was praying against a situation and the other was praying against me.
Was there a warning sign first?
Yes. Over familiarity and sexual innuendo.
Because for someone to continually hear God's Word where the Holy Spirit speaks to their conscience, and to be able to continually and shamelessly engage in ill acts against another person in ways that even non-believers would not typically--is not normal.
Do you have any thoughts about whether dark magic (or even friendly magic) exists beyond psychology? I believe @awitch has said in the past that he believes magic is 99% psychological (I may me misrepresenting his opinion, so hopefully he will correct as needed). Of course the mind is a powerful thing. There is the placebo and nocebo effects in medicine. If the effects happen before the subject is even remotely suspicious of magic then it might rule-out psychology. Ideally the spell-caster should secretly specify the expected effects in a sealed envelope that can be opened later to compare with the actual results. Also the effects need to be unlikely to happen by chance. Like a nightmare happens sometimes anyway and sometimes people get scratches and forget the cause. Typically a curse requires the spell-caster to signal the target in some way. I saw an old Sherlock Holmes TV show where a chicken's foot was the signal. Of course that signal puts and expectation and worry in the target's psyche which probably facilitates the curse. ... But anyway I was curious about your thoughts on these things. I go back and forth on what I believe about paranormal.My friend had spiritual attacks on himself & his housemates, they experienced strong nightmares, burning sensations & bodily scratches over a period of time, and attributed the attacks to one of their relatives who was known to practice dark magic & had a grudge against them.
I agree that magic is mostly psychological (which doesn't mean "fake"). Its driving force is centered in conscious intention which expresses itself mainly through mind, and then mind through body.Do you have any thoughts about whether dark magic (or even friendly magic) exists beyond psychology? I believe @awitch has said in the past that he believes magic is 99% psychological (I may me misrepresenting his opinion, so hopefully he will correct as needed). Of course the mind is a powerful thing. There is the placebo and nocebo effects in medicine. If the effects happen before the subject is even remotely suspicious of magic then it might rule-out psychology. Ideally the spell-caster should secretly specify the expected effects in a sealed envelope that can be opened later to compare with the actual results. Also the effects need to be unlikely to happen by chance. Like a nightmare happens sometimes anyway and sometimes people get scratches and forget the cause. Typically a curse requires the spell-caster to signal the target in some way. I saw an old Sherlock Holmes TV show where a chicken's foot was the signal. Of course that signal puts and expectation and worry in the target's psyche which probably facilitates the curse. ... But anyway I was curious about your thoughts on these things. I go back and forth on what I believe about paranormal.
Do you think magic can produce effects on non-humans and non-animals? In other words does the target need a mind for the magic to work?I agree that magic is mostly psychological (which doesn't mean "fake"). Its driving force is centered in conscious intention which expresses itself mainly through mind, and then mind through body.
Any effect(s) produced is dependent on the strength & skill of the originator's conscious intention and mind, attenuated (or amplified!) by the strength & skill, acceptance or rejection, conditioning, etc. of the "target's" consciousness and mind, and that of any third parties involved. So, there are many variables involved which determines the final outcome.
I go back and forth on what I believe about paranormal.
Do you have any thoughts about whether dark magic (or even friendly magic) exists beyond psychology? I believe @awitch has said in the past that he believes magic is 99% psychological (I may me misrepresenting his opinion, so hopefully he will correct as needed).
Would you say the mechanism of magic is 100% psychological or only 99%? I know that you have sincere reverence for gods, and you also have had some spiritual experiences. So I don't know how that fits with the percentages. 100% seems a bit atheistic, but it depends.Yes, that's still my stance.
If you believe in curses, I can do enough mumbo jumbo to make you think you're cursed. At that point you start to associate every negative thing to the curse. You expect it, you anticipate it, you second guess yourself and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and life becomes miserable.
But it's all in your head. There is nothing super natural involved; no magic, no deals with devils, no mysterious forces.
I don't know the exact verse, but when the Hebrews enter the Promised Land, the covenant with God has blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. I suppose it might be argued that the curses are the removal of God's blessings, or that the Law is an owner's manual for successful life in the Promised Land, but the rewards and punishments are described as blessings and curses.Prayers are God’s domain and curses are the realm of demons.
Would you say the mechanism of magic is 100% psychological or only 99%? I know that you have sincere reverence for gods, and you also have had some spiritual experiences. So I don't know how that fits with the percentages. 100% seems a bit atheistic, but it depends.
No, the target doesn't need a mind, but then the degree of influence depends mainly on the skill & strength of the originator in correspondence with the realm he or she is attempting to influence.Do you think magic can produce effects on non-humans and non-animals? In other words does the target need a mind for the magic to work?
I don't know the exact verse, but when the Hebrews enter the Promised Land, the covenant with God has blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience.
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