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Your argument against "many paths to God"

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You are right, it is not the book/bible itself that is sacred, it is the MESSAGE contained within.


No, even though the Holy spirit IS in our hearts, we also still have a sin nature within our hearts fighting against the holy spirit so we need the refreshment of His written word to battle against our sin nature which will try to justify our sin when we commit one. So the Holy Spirit speaks to us thru His Word and helps us to interpret it correctly though our interpretation will never be perfect or infallible, but the text itself IS infallible. Yes, we can fully know Him on an island but our sinful nature will still be working on us to justify our sin and cause us to sin. And in rare cases we can be tempted by Satan to do the same thing. But mostly it is our sin nature which will not be completely destroyed until we go to heaven after death though it will become gradually weaker as we spiritually grow stronger over time. And we need our fellow believers to help us to grow as "iron sharpens iron".

yi: Most Churches accept the canonical authority of the religion. The Word of God itself is rejected - in many parts - based on doctrine. Where, for example, does God stipulate that we can follow only nine of the ten commandments?
No, orthodox Churches accept the canonical authority of His written Word. Gods word is where we get correct doctrine. Doctrine just means teaching. Christian doctrine is the teachings of Christ and His word. Good churches at least try to follow all 10 commandments, like my church, of course, no church is perfect, except maybe yours. ;-)

No, there are false teachers/leaders and true teachers/scholars/leaders. And as long as you stay in His Word and study it deeply and often the holy spirit can show who they are. Or God may call you to become one of His leaders/scholars or elders in the church. The Pharisees were false teachers and leaders. You are right anyone who contradicts Gods word is wrong or a liar or ignorant.



See my previous posts how Christ has taught us that some laws have become obsolete.
 
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See my previous posts how Christ has taught us that some laws have become obsolete.

Reread this statement, and ask yourself if you really believe this.

Does this even sound like a characteristic of Christ - informing us that parts of Him are obsolete?

He is the literal living word of God, and the same One who gave the Law to Moses.
 
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Not sure what you mean by "still applicable". God told the Hebrews their sacrifices were vain because they had always been just a symbol of dying to oneself and truly repenting of your sin, but the Hebrews were not doing that. They were an external symbol of an internal reality. Just like baptism.

yi: (This is an especially important point to recognize, seeing as some entity will begin the daily sacrifice so that it can be stopped.)
Not sure what you are saying here.


Not sure exactly what you are referring to as the Justice laws. If you are referring to the Civil Laws then yes they are still in effect except most of the punishments only applied to the old Hebrew theocracy. Only the command to use the death penalty for first degree murder is still in effect.


yi: The Word of God even says that in the future the saints will be judges - under what codex will these saints judge? Under the codex of the unchanging and everlasting Word of God that never changes.
That text is referring to judgements in heaven made to determine what certain people's rewards will be in heaven. If you are referring to the text I think you are. Otherwise you need to provide the verse you are referring to.
 
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True, except when certain things he has written are chosen by God to be a written revelation from Him. Then those things are protected from error by His Spirit.

Yes, and the only way we know Moses did those things is because God commanded him to write them down and God protected them from error when recording those events so we know what happened and is confirmed by the HS to be words from God.

yi: Jonah was directed by God to prophesy to Nineveh, and despite being a prophet he chose to fight the will of God until he was forced to submit.

True, but we would not know this except that God inspired and chose the writer of the book of Jonah to record it inerrantly for inclusion

yi: Peter denied Christ three time, and He was in the presence of the Word of God Itself.

True, but we would not have known this if God had not chosen Mark to infallibly write the memoirs of Peter to be included in His written communication to mankind.


Yes, that is right but the ceremonial laws, ie sacrificial and dietary laws and etc have been made obsolete when Christ fulfilled them.


Evidence for this? There is no evidence that politics had anything to do with the formation of the canon. The laity of the church had been using the canon hundreds of years before it was made official by the holy spirit guided leaders of church.



No, the fulfillment of the ceremonial law were commanded by God and Christ as I have shown above.


The writers of the Bible did not claim the inspiration themselves, it was revealed that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit Himself directly to the Church.


The Prophets that were chosen by God to write down His one and only written revelation WERE the very Mouth of GOD for that period that they wrote the canonical books. And you have no evidence to believe otherwise.
 
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How would you persuade somebody who seeks God that Christianity is either the best way or the only way (without simply quoting from Christian sources that the other person doesn't yet accept)?
Because if Christ came specifically to die for sin then a man without Christ will stand before God claiming he was perfect and had no need for Christ

Which is a foolish thing to do
 
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with regards to the truth of the gospel, a person born of, led by, inspired by the Holy Spirit stands as a witness to the truth

They mat not be perfect but when it comes to speaking the truth of Christ, they are speaking the truth regardless of the imperfection of their vessel (flesh/body)
 
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Paul, Peter, Luke, Moses, Noah, Enoch, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elias, Joshua (Moses' successor, not Christ,) etc. are not holy spirits. The deification of the humans, and the marginalization of God's actual word is dangerous.
Nobody is saying that they are holy spirits but some of them were chosen by the Holy spirit to write down God's word.

yi: The men are the ministers/messengers speaking on behalf of God. But, they are not God themselves. They are not angelic holy hosts. They were prophets and messengers.

Correct, and the words that they proclaimed and were written down are the very WORDs of God and are infallible.


All the words in the Canonical bible ARE directly what God said thru His chosen human mouthpiece. Even the words you claim are directly what God said were written down by humans. You do know that don't you?


My foundation and most Christians foundations have always been the Word of God, ALL of it. Not just the parts that you arbitrarily say are His word because the verse says "Lord God says..."
Because even those were written down by a human so there ARE NO direct Words as you say.



What politics of Christian history? The canon was established long before it was officially recognized by the church leaders by the use of the ordinary HS guided believers.
 
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