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As most of you here know, I was LCMS Lutheran for awhile and they are young earth creationists, which I didn’t believe in. When I came back to the RCC I was worried that Catholics couldn’t believe in an old earth. Now, tonight I’m having the opposite problem after reading this, below.
The LCMS believe the Bible is literal and they believe that giants once lived on earth, which is something I also didn’t believe until I read this, below. Then I got to thinking that what if the Bible is right and there really were giants one time on earth, what does that say about the age of the earth? I wondered what if the earth really is young rather than billions of years old?
So here’s my question: I know Catholics don’t have to believe everything in the Bible is literal…..that evolution could’ve occurred, the earth can be billions of years old etc. but can faithful Catholics also believe the earth is young and that everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally?
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5,000-Year-Old Layer of Earth Beneath an Egyptian Tomb Reveals Two 30-Foot Giant Bodies
An international team of archaeologists has made an astonishing discovery in a desert region of Egypt: two gigantic bodies, approximately 9 meters high, have been found under layers of earth dating back more than 5,000 years. This discovery, unprecedented in the history of archaeology, could rewrite what we know about ancient civilizations and their understanding of the “human.”
The discovery took place while researchers were excavating a complex of forgotten tombs deep in the Egyptian desert. According to team leader Dr. Ahmed el-Hassan, the bodies were found under a layer of compacted earth that protected the remains from erosion and time. “What we found exceeds any expectations. “These colossal figures are incredibly well preserved, and preliminary dating suggests they are more than five millennia old,” said Dr. Hassan.
The skeletons are impressive both for their size and their state of preservation. Each measures nearly 9 meters tall, with anatomically correct proportions that rule out the possibility of deformities or known pathological conditions. Additionally, the remains show signs of advanced mummification, suggesting that these gigantic figures could have occupied a significant place in the culture and mythology of their time.
The discovery has sparked an avalanche of theories among experts. One hypothesis suggests that these “giants” could be related to ancient myths about beings of enormous size that inhabited the Earth. Egyptian texts, such as Book of the Deadrefer to gigantic figures that interacted with gods and pharaohs, which raises the possibility that these bodies are real representations of said stories.
Another, more cautious theory suggests that the bodies could belong to an unknown or extinct human species. Ongoing genetic analyzes seek to determine whether there is a correlation with modern human DNA or whether, on the contrary, they represent an entirely different branch of evolution.
In addition to the bodies, archaeologists found large-scale tools and artifacts, apparently designed for hands of colossal size. Among the objects recovered, ceremonial weapons, bracelets decorated with solar motifs and a gigantic sarcophagus sculpted in stone, possibly built specifically for these figures, stand out.
This discovery raises profound questions about ancient civilizations and the possible coexistence with beings of extraordinary sizes. It also challenges our understanding of historical records, which until now have shown no conclusive evidence of the existence of giants.
“This find could open a new window into a past we never imagined,” said Dr. Clara Menéndez, an anthropologist at the European Institute of Archaeological Studies. “It not only challenges what we think we know about human history, but also about the cultural interactions and legends we often dismiss as mythology.”
The research team continues to analyze the remains in specialized laboratories, including carbon dating tests and DNA studies. Preliminary results are expected in the coming months, while excavations at the site remain ongoing.
Although there are still many questions to be answered, one thing is clear: this find could be one of the most significant in the history of modern archaeology, shedding new light on the mysteries of the past and the possible reality behind the legends of giants.
 

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The only references I could find to the huge bodies were Facebook or other social media sites. Are there any links to peer reviewed sites?

Catholics are free to believe in a young, old or middle aged earth. But they are expected to believe God created the heavens and the earth.


 
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This has just proved Genesis 6.

Luke 8:17
For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
 
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I just saw a video from Catholic Answers with Jimmy Akin who said there is no specific teaching of the Church or proof that the Nephilim were angels or humans. There are a lot of theories about them, though.
Akin did say that if they were people they could’ve been taller than other groups because various groups of people are taller and shorter than others.

The Lutheran church I went to believe that the giants really existed. I’ll go with Jimmy Akin and the Catholic Church. There is no specific teaching as to what they were.


 
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I also heard Jimmy Akin in a podcast or something on Catholic Answers talking about these giant Nephilim and he said that by giants it doesn’t mean 60 Ft. tall but the average person back then was about 5’ (something) and the giants would be like 6’ or more.
 
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I never knew that. Interesting!
 
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Michael Hitchborn from the Lepanto Institute has some really interesting explanations for the world really being as scripture describes it in the early years of creation.

For example, he talks about the firmament creating different atmospheric conditions which would account for larger creatures, larger plant life, and longer human lifespans. He points to the use of hyperbaric chambers, with which research discovered that the optimum setting in a hyperbaric chamber is 2.2 atmospheres, which just so happens to be what research determined was the atmospheric pressure in antediluvian times. What they've found is that under those atmospheric conditions the degradation of our telomeres virtually slows to a stop. The unraveling of our telomeres is the mechanism that ages us. They not only found that those conditions slowed aging, but they also found that vegetation grew to much more enormous sizes, which accounts for the much larger flora and fauna specimens in the fossil record. Including dinosaurs, which couldn't have survived in our current atmospheric conditions but on an Earth whose atmosphere was more condensed by an out layer of water (firmament), sure.

Here's a video from the Avoiding Babylon podcast where Hitchborn goes into it, I've queued it up to the part where he begins talking about that particular subject:

 
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About the firmament, are you speaking of a glass or plastic covering over the earth because if so I don’t believe that.
 
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About the firmament, are you speaking of a glass or plastic covering over the earth because if so I don’t believe that.
No, it was a canopy of water.
 
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There is no evidence of giants living in history, just hearsay and fancy websites that want you to buy into conspiracies and pseudoscience.

That's not to say that the Bible doesn't describe giants however. Goliath was a giant for example. But different traditions say different things, some say that he was 6 feet tall. Others 9. But either way, the Bible isn't a science nor straight history textbook.
 
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About the firmament, are you speaking of a glass or plastic covering over the earth because if so I don’t believe that.
In the broader ancient Near East, texts such as the Enuma Elish (a Babylonian creation narrative) describe cosmic waters and a dome-like structure holding waters above. Israel’s neighbors often pictured the universe as layered with waters overhead. These external sources help illustrate how societies of that time understood the heavens.

However, the biblical writers-under divine inspiration-present God as the Creator who establishes an ordered cosmos. While the language often resonates with the cosmological imagery of the period, the Bible’s theological purpose transcends the ordinary assumptions of neighboring cultures: its focus is on the sovereign Creator who forms the heavens.
 
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No, it was a canopy of water.
It's not a canopy of water. It's just ancient Israelite cosmology:

When you go outside, the sky is still blue like a sky ocean. That's all it ever was, phenomenological language.
 
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It's not a canopy of water. It's just ancient Israelite cosmology:

When you go outside, the sky is still blue like a sky ocean. That's all it ever was, phenomenological language.
I don't rule out that might've been something different prior to the flood.
 
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I don't rule out that might've been something different prior to the flood.
No need to make things up. And the waters above the heavens existed in the Bible after the flood too.

Praise him, highest heavens, and waters above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Yahweh, because he commanded and they were created. And he put them in place *forever and ever*, by a decree he gave that will not pass away.
Psalms 148:4‭-‬6

Forever and ever. They are still there now. Just go outside on a bright sunny day with clear skies, and look up. That's the "waters above".

In ancient Egypt, Babylon, Mesopotamia, Assyria, Akkadia, Caanan etc. people described the sky as though it were made of water, because that's what it looks like. It looks like an ocean in the sky:
 
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5,000-Year-Old Layer of Earth Beneath an Egyptian Tomb Reveals Two 30-Foot Giant Bodies
Nah, that wasn't even the claim. The claim was that they found "giant columns" under the pyramids that are about 600 meters below the pyramid, and that extend verically down another 1.5-2 kilometers. They allegedly found them using synthetic aperture radar. Problem is that SAR can't really see tha far into the ground. That, and the guy who found them is a notorious UFO loony who's desperate to sell the corny idea that the pyramids were built by space men who used the buried columns to do spaceman magic of some sort.

Bottom Line: It's a crock.
 
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Here is a novel idea... OPEN YOUR BIBLE AND READ WHAT GOD has to say on the topic if you place what ANY church teaches that is in opposition of scripture then you need to RUN from that church. Scripture tells you what happened the PROBLEM is too many DO NOT believe what GOD has to say and replace that with their own perspectives because "you dont believe" and that SETTLES the issue
 
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Not everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally. It’s not a science book.
 
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