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Well yes, that's what I should have said. Ultimately, we interpret the world as well as the bible. Both are god given so neither can be wrong. The issue is how we interpret each.
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No, he's suggesting you disregard man's interpretation of God's word and instead look at all of God's revelation, including the revelation He left in His creation, just as you already have realized to do with the interpretations regarding germs, pregnancy, a round earth, and so on. You don't seem to realize that your literalist view of Genesis is a man's interpretation of God's word.
I was using a generalization not getting into details for a new member (BTW welcome aboard party animal!) and meant no disrespect, but have you had a chance to check out that book I mentioned to you?
May God Richly Bless You! MM
progmonk said:I'm a bit confused as to why you're pointing me to a book that slams day-age, I'm not a day-ager and would agree with those sentiments, so I'm not too sure what I'll get out of it.
He doesn't just discuss day age, but if I remember correctly he discusses your pov as well. I found it fascinating.
May God Richly Bless You! MM
progmonk said:Metal Minister did I recommend you read John Walton's The Lost World of Genesis One?
If you ask a question i answer it.
"Progmonk i am interested please say-where did you receive your indoctrination? "
I could care less about Dawkins, he's not really a proper representative for what I believe, bring me the same sort of accusations about Rev. Dr. Alister Mcgrath and then I'd be willing to make more of a fuss.Also please see the creation resource thread to see what happens when Dawkins gets asked a question about his lifes doctrine (origin of species).
progmonk said:defense and spiritual combat against cults,
This sounds quite interesting...what is it about? I love to learn about new things, and I can honestly say I've never heard anyone bring this up before.
May God Richly Bless You! MM
progmonk said:It's about being able to recognise cults not just from the perspective that they deny some aspect of the trinity but also from a self-destructive level and the need for spiritual leaders to be accountable to their flock, the world does not want to see another Jonestown or Manson, so one of the things I have been focusing on is studying ways of combating this, basically in my mind it comes down to not only fully understanding the nature of God from a biblical perspective, keeping our leaders accountable and being able to recognise key patterns of speech that give away spiritual bondage and in love helping those trapped to try and escape.
Groups that I am currently praying for:
Westboro Baptist Church
Divine Truth
The Sacred Name Movement
And of course the Mormons and JWs
Yes, I know quite a few jw's and I pray for them CONSTANTLY! One in particular I call a friend, and its funny...he was born into a jw home, and when I ask him about some of the tenants he believes, he's happy to tell me, but can't back them up very well when I lovingly confront him with its contradictions. I will say, it fills my heart with hope though, because every time we have a discussion, and I bring up one if these points, I can see the wheel begin to turn in his mind! Is there any good literature out there that I may be able to use myself, or could direct people to, if I want to do the same as you are?
May God Richly Bless You! MM
progmonk said:The Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin is a good read, James White writes a lot on this sort of thing and as he suggests, it's always a good idea to read and understand their literature to know what exactly you are arguing against, in fact I think this is a good general rule for all apologetics.
I don't think creationists realise the harm they are causing. I'm sure they really believe their position but when you want to substitute established theories with unsupported ones it kind of pushes people away.
If we as a group continually show a refusal to accept what is true in one area, how are we supposed to get others to see the most important truth of all?
How are we supposed to get others to see the most important truth of all?
Progmonk, do you know much about the author of "thank God for evolution? You may find this interesting: apparently he used to be an evangelical, but turned the "evolution evangelical" shortly before marrying his atheist wife. Not that that matters, but I thought it might help establish the frame of mind he has because now he claims that any part of all religions that don't conform to evolution should be interpreted in a way that it does regardless of what it actually means. The actuall quote is:
'Of necessity, this evolutionary effort will also mean that some of the teachings [of Christianity/the Bible] will be translated almost beyond recognition, just as our skin is so unlike that of our scaly reptilian ancestors. Then, too, some passages will have so little utility that they will disappear, just as the primate tail was lost within our lineage of apes.
( http://creation.com/evolutions-evangelist)
May God Richly Bless You! MM
progmonk said:Yes I am aware of that aspect of Michael Dowd's spirituality, his work is a bit more universalist than what I am comfortable with, but as Jinx was after all influences I've drawn on as a part of my "indoctrination" I would have thought it would have been dishonest to not include him. As I said in that post the main place that can probably line up most with my personal beliefs is the BioLogos foundation, especially the Anglicans that are a part of it, however I am enjoying their series of essays in conversation with the SBC that you might be interested in if you want a more Baptist view, here are some links to the ones I've read so far:
Southern Baptist Voices: An Ongoing Series | BioLogos
Southern Baptist Voices: Is Darwinism Theologically Neutral? | BioLogos
There appear to be many more, as well, I'm also enjoying their series on what it means to be in the Image of God, probably mostly because the articles that I have read address disability, which is something I haven't really thought about when it comes to that doctrine.
Mark Kennedy said:I hope Darwinians realise the harm they are causing. I'm sure they really believe their world view but when you want to substitute established theology with naturalistic assumptions it distracts people from the things of Christ.
If we as a group continually show a refusal to accept God as Creator what people supposed to think of the new birth, resurrection and God's creation at the end of the age?
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