You who practice lawlessness

[PJ76]

According to this verse, there are many self-professing Christians who think they are saved, but will be damned for eternity. In Greek, lawlessness means against the law. So what law was Jesus referring to? What is the Catholic Church position on lawlessness?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

According to this verse, there are many self-professing Christians who think they are saved, but will be damned for eternity. In Greek, lawlessness means against the law. So what law was Jesus referring to? What is the Catholic Church position on lawlessness?

It's bad.

 

[PJ76]

It's bad.

Yes I know it’s bad. Is lawlessness referring to the people outside the Catholic Church? Since lawlessness means against the law?

 

[PJ76]

Lawlessness in Greek is anomia which means against the law. Was Jesus talking about people against the Catholic Church?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Lawlessness in Greek is anomia which means against the law. What law was Jesus referring to? Was Jesus talking about people against Catholic Church?

What are you driving at?

 

[RaymondG]

According to this verse, there are many self-professing Christians who think they are saved, but will be damned for eternity. In Greek, lawlessness means against the law. So what law was Jesus referring to? What is the Catholic Church position on lawlessness?

The law of the spirit.

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

 

[PJ76]

What are you driving at?

So many people have misinterpreted this verse because they don’t know what lawlessness means in Greek. Anomia in Greek means against the law. Therefore all signs point to being against the Catholic Church because the following verse talks about the foolish, who built their house on sand, and not on the rock. And it was clearly Peter, who was called the rock, on which Jesus built His church.

 

[chevyontheriver]

So many people have misinterpreted this verse because they don’t know what lawlessness means in Greek. Anomia in Greek means against the law. Therefore all signs point to being against the Catholic Church because the following verse talks about the foolish, who built their house on sand, and not on the rock. And it was clearly Peter, who was called the rock, on which Jesus built His church.

Well, yes, Peter whose name literally is Rock is the person Jesus said he would build His Church on.

And many who cry "Lord, Lord" will hear from the Lord that He knew them not.

But I'm still not sure what you are driving at. Can you spill the beans?

 

[PJ76]

Can you spill the beans?

If my understanding of this verse is correct, and believe me, I have been studying this passage for a long time, then the future looks very bleak for anyone who is against the Catholic Church or outside the Catholic Church.

 

[Romans 13:3]

You can review the CCC for more information:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:



Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:



Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

 

[PJ76]

You can review the CCC for more information: "Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846

Yes, based on Matthew 7:23, I strongly believe the CCC is right. I’ve studied the word lawlessness in the Greek language, and reading in context, all signs point to those who are outside the Catholic Church.

 

[PJ76]

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

I agree with this. Perhaps it’s possible to obtain salvation outside the Catholic Church, but it seems very bleak and I would not take any chances to find out on that last day.

 

[Romans 13:3]

While it is becoming a lost skill, the CC utilizes philosophical nuance in much of its teaching.

I wish you all good things in your pursuit of Truth, Goodness, and Beauty. If honest questioning and discussion is what you want, I hope you ask us more.

 

[Rhamiel]

The Modernist take on Salvation really is little more then “be a good person and you will be saved”

It looks like a work based salvation, something the Bible is very much against. A works based salvation based on how faithful a person is to a false religion (any religion except the true religion that is the Holy Catholic Faith)


Let us remember the words of the great Saints who steadfastly proclaim the truth

Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): “As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. …This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. …And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church’s enemies are also my enemies.” (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology )

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

 

[PJ76]

Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): “As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. …

At the end of Matthew 7, Jesus compares the wise man who built his house on the rock to the foolish man who built this house on sand. The foolish man was practicing what Jesus referred to as lawlessness.

 

[PJ76]

I've studied lawlessness in the Greek language. Anomia in Greek literally means against the law. Practicing lawlessness is doing against what Jesus has established.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

At the risk of sounding grumpy, especially in light of my recent “vacation”, this whole thread is just silly.

 

[PJ76]

At the risk of sounding grumpy, especially in light of my recent “vacation”, this whole thread is just silly.

Your welcome to share your insight about lawlessness.

 

[PJ76]

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church.

385 For "the mystery of lawlessness" is clarified only in the light of the "mystery of our religion". The revelation of divine love in Christ manifested at the same time the extent of evil and the superabundance of grace. We must therefore approach the question of the origin of evil by fixing the eyes of our faith on him who alone is its conqueror.

386 Sin is present in human history; any attempt to ignore it or to give this dark reality other names would be futile. To try to understand what sin is, one must first recognize the profound relation of man to God, for only in this relationship is the evil of sin unmasked in its true identity as humanity's rejection of God and opposition to him, even as it continues to weigh heavy on human life and history.

387 Only the light of divine Revelation clarifies the reality of sin and particularly of the sin committed at mankind's origins. Without the knowledge Revelation gives of God we cannot recognize sin clearly and are tempted to explain it as merely a developmental flaw, a psychological weakness, a mistake, or the necessary consequence of an inadequate social structure, etc. Only in the knowledge of God's plan for man can we grasp that sin is an abuse of the freedom that God gives to created persons so that they are capable of loving him and loving one another.

 

[PJ76]

According to the Catechism, lawlessness is lacking the knowledge revelation to recognize sin, whereby preventing the person from loving God and loving one another.