You have no need of a teacher .

Gregory Thompson · Aug 22, 2011

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. (1 John 2:27)

So is this passage in the bible true?

ivebeenshown · Aug 22, 2011

Some will say we have no need of teachers at all, yet Paul says God appointed some in the Church to be teachers.

Clearly, people misinterpret John.

Gregory Thompson · Aug 22, 2011

ivebeenshown said:
Some will say we have no need of teachers at all, yet Paul says God appointed some in the Church to be teachers.

Clearly, people misinterpret John.

Clearly there is a maturity process .

Mr Dave · Aug 22, 2011

This makes me think of the New Covenental promise of Jeremiah (Jer. 31:33)

This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

By being indwelt by the HS, that which we need to know does not need to be taught by others as it has been inscribed on our hearts.

The verse in 1 John doesn't say we shouldn't receive teaching though. Teaching can still be beneficial, we just don't need it as the HS is at work.

John Wesley's commentary says

"Ye need not that any should teach you, save as that anointing teacheth you — Which is always the same, always consistent with itself. But this does not exclude our need of being taught by them who partake of the same anointing."

I think this makes a good point that although we have the HS working within us and teaching us, it also works through others and they can teach us, there is much said in the NT about being with other people.

Nanopants · Aug 22, 2011

ivebeenshown said:
Some will say we have no need of teachers at all, yet Paul says God appointed some in the Church to be teachers.

Clearly, people misinterpret John.

I agree with this. There comes a point though when a teacher is no longer needed.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 22, 2011

You have no need of a teacher

Call no man Teacher

Young LT Luke 2:42 and when He became twelve years old, they having gone up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast,
46 And it came to pass, after three days, they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both hearing them and questioning them,
47 and all those hearing Him were astonished at his understanding and answers. [Isaiah 11:6]

Luke 21:7 They yet inquire of Him saying "Teacher, when? then these shall be and what? the Ssgn whenever may be being about these to be becoming"

James 3:1 No many teachers be ye becoming! brethren! of me, being aware greater judgement we shall be receiving.

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jehoiakim · Aug 22, 2011

It is true, but just because we do not "need" a teacher, that doesn't mean that having a teacher is not beneficial.

We all need to learn to operate and dertermine the will of God through ourselves by studing the word, continually examining our hearts and questioning our motives, prayer, observation and reason...

but we don't need to always do that alone, two heads can be better then one in some situations... but you can also have "too many chiefs and not enough Indians'

Thekla · Aug 22, 2011

Paul says we have many pedagogues (tutors, guides).
As a "father", Paul's role is also to guide.

EDIT
Here it is

For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 1 Cor. 4:15

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 22, 2011

Why does the KJperV use "master" most times for the greek word for "teacher"

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G1320 matches the Greek διδάσκαλος (didaskalos), which occurs 58 times in 57 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

AV — Master (Jesus) 40, teacher 10, master 7, doctor 1

2Peter 2:1 There became yet also false prophets in the people as also in ye shall be false-teachers/yeudo-didaskaloi <5572> whoany shall be carrying in sects of destruction,
and the One buying them, Owner/Master/despothn <1203> disowning, bringing on them swift destruction/apwleian <684>

Fireinfolding · Aug 22, 2011

Teachers are indeed spoken of, even instructors in Christ, He has a built in mechanism in relation to His own.

For example, He says this....

Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:

How will His own know?

Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

They are not left as orphans that way, so likewise it says...

2Cr 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

And we see the Lord commending His own to His own (even here)...

Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

She knew it, as it was He that opened her heart and her eyes to know it

John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

However His sheep hear Hs voice, and his direction for them even in respects to the Lord commending another to their conscience and opening their heart to them (as He wills it)

Mr Dave · Aug 22, 2011

LittleLambofJesus said:
Why does the KJperV use "master" most times for the greek word for "teacher"

When applied to teachers of the Jewish Law, there was little difference between the two I think.

I guess back in the 17th Century in Great Britain there was no difference in meaning either, it's only in the last 50 years that teachers in schools have stopped being called masters, and it's still common to refer to the Headteacher (US Principal) as Headmaster if male.

Fireinfolding · Aug 22, 2011

Prov 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivestnot in him the lips of knowledge.

Love that one too

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 22, 2011

Mr Dave said:
When applied to teachers of the Jewish Law, there was little difference between the two I think.

I guess back in the 17th Century in Great Britain there was no difference in meaning either, it's only in the last 50 years that teachers in schools have stopped being called masters, and it's still common to refer to the Headteacher (US Principal) as Headmaster if male.

Ahhh, thanks.
I suppose that is one reason I like Young's LT, as it generally renders greek words consistently.

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Concordance Results Using YLT

tadoflamb · Aug 22, 2011

Michael Collum said:
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeitjust as it has taught you, remain in him. (1 John 2:27)

So is this passage in the bible true?

I most often hear this verse quoted by those on the fringes of Christianity who believe and practice a Christianity unique to themselves. I propose that the underlying assumption is that one receives this 'anointing' one will be of the same mind and heart as the quoter of the verse. Ironically, persons who quote this verse, inadvertantly are proposing to teach.

On the other hand, I have received this anointing, once at my baptism and again at my confirmation, and somehow I have learned about the Christian faith without necessarily having a 'teacher'. Truth has a wonderful way of revealing itself through the the Church.

Yes, that bible passage is true.

Frogster · Aug 22, 2011

Thekla said:
Paul says we have many pedagogues (tutors, guides).
As a "father", Paul's role is also to guide.

EDIT
Here it is

For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 1 Cor. 4:15

The only thing is though, pedagogues was a duragotory statement, and Paul was correcting them, not happy they had all those guides.

He was coming to see the power of these "guides".

But I think teachers are great.

18 Some are arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out not the talk of these arrogant people but their power.

Frogster · Aug 22, 2011

Nanopants said:
I agree with this. There comes a point though when a teacher is no longer needed.

Yet John was teaching.

2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Thekla · Aug 22, 2011

Frogster said:
The only thing is though, pedagogues was a duragotory statement, and Paul was correcting them, not happy they had all those guides.

He was coming to see the power of these "guides".

But I think teachers are great.

18 Some are arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out not the talk of these arrogant people but their power.

Actually, the pedagogue was appointed by the father to mind and tutor the child - sort of a nanny for boys who were being educated.

The pedagogue would help with homework, learning the lessons accurately, and make sure the child didn't get in trouble on the way to and from school.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 22, 2011

Michael Collum said:
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. (1 John 2:27)

So is this passage in the bible true?

I found it interesting that this form of the word for "teaching" is used 1 other time in the NT, and that in 1 Corin 11:14 concerning long hair
LLOJ heads for the barber shop!

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software
　
ISA) 1 John 2:27 And ye, the annointing which ye obtained from Him in ye, is remaining and not need ye are having that any may be teaching ye, but as the same annointing is teaching/didaskei <1321> (5719) ye about all-things, and is true and not is falsehood, and according as it teaches ye, ye shall be remaining in Him.

Young) 1 Corinthians 11:14 Or even nature itself teach/didaskei <1321> (5719) ye, that ifever a man indeed may be having tresses, a dishonour it is to him?

Textus Rec.) 1 John 2:27 kai umeiV to crisma o elabete ap autou en umin menei kai ou creian ecete ina tiV didaskh umaV all wV to auto crisma didaskei umaV peri pantwn kai alhqeV estin kai ouk estin yeudoV kai kaqwV edidaxen umaV meneite en autw

Fireinfolding · Aug 22, 2011

Phil 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

People learn alot more by examples, even in respects to thy teachers not being hid any more the commendation was also to "their way"

Same patern here

1Thes 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Teachers not hid (twofold following)

1Thes 6:1 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

That last verse and the wording is found in Isaiah in respects to the affliction the Lord gives

Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:

And again...

1Thes 6:1 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 22, 2011

Fireinfolding said:
Phil 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

People learn alot more by examples, even in respects to thy teachers not being hid any more the commendation was also to "their way":

God of peace........repent!
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"god of peace"
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exact phrases (Rom 15:33 - Hbr 13:20)

Romans 16:20 The yet God of the Peace shall be crushing the Satan under the feet of ye in swiftness.
The grace of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with ye.

Revelation 1:1 An-un-veiling/covering of Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to His bond-servants, which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness.
And He signifies, commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John
[Revelation 22:6]

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