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Jesus said that in the context of false teachers. That doesn't mean your good deeds will get you in or your bad deeds will keep you out of Heaven. It's about the state of your soul.That is not what Jesus said
He said that a tree will be judged by its fruit.
Also read Mathew 25 31-40.
Be a good person and God will not forsake you.
A persons sexual preference has nothing to do with their worth as a person-either to others or to God.
I really don't know what you're trying to get at, sorry. It almost feels like you're saying I'm doing bad deeds I will be repaid by being sent to hell, at least with that Revelations quote. Your others just seem to go a completely opposite direction, saying stuff like even though I have a sinful nature, I'm still a slave to God's law.Be of good courage brother, my struggle with sexual sins has been epic, but very fruitful over the years.
I found that letting God's loving truth in at the times I struggle with my sexual sin worked the best. All sin is caused by the lies we believe (and speak,) this is what I found within me when I let God's truth expose the lies that had a hold on me.
Romans 7:14-25
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
A part of me repented of having life in wrong - time and again - and drank in forgiveness and grace and so learned to resist the temptations of the flesh as well as the guilt and the shame. In this part of me I learned to remain unstained by sinful inclinations and found new life - this included a new name/identity as well. Faithfully I fight the desires of my wrongful nature - that part in me that loves wrong more than God - but not by force or judgement but as in invitation to join me in my new walk of life - free from sinful temptation - at peace with God - growing stronger - and 'bigger' each day - praising and worshipping God for the freedom to be true to myself. Life with God as Father King is awesome!
Wouldn't it be nice to be completely free from my inner corruption? However I'll be honest I haven't achieved perfection within my sexual self - a part in me though utterly convicted and slain - is still corrupt. Daniel 7:12.
I still also have a part of me who loved wrong more than God. At first my life was burning with unholy desires. I was always first and have greedily relished in my desires and needs. I have been against God's will time and again. I knew I was wrong but didn't care about that. I even hoped God didn't existed and wrong was simply a religious and social invention, all so I could have existence and feed myself. Now I know that I was wrong not to love God and to follow my sinful desires. I used to be a king but now I have lost all ruler ship over life. My desires have died and my passions died of famine and thirst. I have very little life left inside of me - I loath myself in sinful self and know I have been very unfaithful to Jesus and hope I will die soon to being like that. Honestly don't continue in sin but let the grace of God wash you clean before you are cut off by The Word. Hebrews 4:12-13.
Revelation 2:20-23
Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
I really don't know what you're trying to get at, sorry. It almost feels like you're saying I'm doing bad deeds I will be repaid by being sent to hell, at least with that Revelations quote. Your others just seem to go a completely opposite direction, saying stuff like even though I have a sinful nature, I'm still a slave to God's law.
Not to be critical in any way, but I have trouble finding meaning in sort of randomly placed together Bible verses unless you explain very thoroughly in your own words what you mean. Sorry for my stupidity, lol.
Ah! Okay! No sweat, we all miscommunicate a bit some times. Also, I just noticed you were using NIV. My language arts skills are too subpar to understand that well lol. Thanks for the support!I'm sorry to confuse you brother that was not my intention. And in no way am I trying to judge you. The truth of God's Word sets us free when we have faith in Him. All I was trying to show was how my life in sexual wrong was cleansed by Jesus over time - and yes at times it was very hard to let go of wrong - because I was divided within myself about the issue. However my life with Christ has grown and my life in sexual sin is dying more and more.
So, life sucks, right now. And it has for a while.
I'm in college, away from my family. I realize now that I'm super duper not straight. I'm always sad, and beating myself up, and just not functionally at the capacity God wanted me to.
And the worst thing is, I can't ask God for help. I know He might if I let Him, but I just feel so...ungracious everytime I do so. I know that prayer without faith is just sorta nagging God, instead of legitimately asking for it. And my faith is so dead, and it has been forever. Like, who am I to ask God to save my from temptation when I openly expose myself to it? I don't know.
Some people say I'm not even really Christian at this point, because I don't trust Him. And I'm worried about that. Everyone says homosexuals can't get to Heaven (me), everyone says people who have mental illness can't get to Heaven (me), everyone says people who commit suicide can't get to Heaven (statistically speaking, that'll probably be me too), and some people even say feminine guys or masculine girls can't get to Heaven (feminine guy, right here, what's up?). So....yeah, I'm living in fear that even though I love God (that I know is true. I cling and cry and beg and plead for Him to love me back), that I may not be "saved enough" to go to Heaven...and...and it's hard to trust God when you fear He'll throw you into the fire even if you gave everything you have, your future, your dreams, your everything, to Him.
Really scared, really lost, really tired, and really in need of someone who will just...listen. (Of course God listens, but it sometimes is hard to remember that He pays attention too)
Thanks for reading. Loves
Judas Iscariot was about as bad as it gets for a sinner. He stole money from Jesus and the apostles. He betrayed Jesus to the Old Testament religious authorities. Then he killed himself over his conduct.
Funny thing is, just hours before Judas betrayed His Lord, Jesus foretold that Judas would do this; then Jesus promised that Judas would sit on a throne, judging one of the twelve tribes of Israel in the Kingdom of God.
So if God can forgive Judas, He most certainly can (and will) forgive you. So do yourself a favor and quit using the "I'm too evil to repent" excuse. God is WAY bigger than your particular sins. And isn't it too bad that Judas did not realize this before he killed himself?
Huh....
Well, I appreciate the bluntness, but you should know I never claimed to not repent. I know I do bad things, and I am ashamed and apologetic of them. It's just that many denominations of Christianity don't believe that's enough, and it scares me when so many other Christians have this common idea that people like me are doomed, logically I don't believe it, and it doesn't make sense with what I know the Bible says.
But the insecurity is still there. And that's what I don't know what to do with.
Yes indeed. A tree will be judged by its fruit.That is not what Jesus said
He said that a tree will be judged by its fruit.
Also read Mathew 25 31-40.
Be a good person and God will not forsake you.
A persons sexual preference has nothing to do with their worth as a person-either to others or to God.
Well, that was blunt. Look friend, I'm not going to address my "gay sin" lifestyle; I make mistakes, and I'm doing my best to get better. But that doesn't meant my thoughts of depression based on the idea that I'll never have a family will go away in the significant future.God loves you.
The conflict you are experiencing is a sign of your resistance to His loving call.
Relax, He has you in His radar. Your peace and right living can only be found in Him through the teachings of Jesus Christ.
So, take up your bible, read it and obey. No matter your feelings, just obey. You have no business as a Christian with the gay sin life style.
So, life sucks, right now. And it has for a while.
I'm in college, away from my family. I realize now that I'm super duper not straight. I'm always sad, and beating myself up, and just not functionally at the capacity God wanted me to.
And the worst thing is, I can't ask God for help. I know He might if I let Him, but I just feel so...ungracious everytime I do so. I know that prayer without faith is just sorta nagging God, instead of legitimately asking for it. And my faith is so dead, and it has been forever. Like, who am I to ask God to save my from temptation when I openly expose myself to it? I don't know.
Some people say I'm not even really Christian at this point, because I don't trust Him. And I'm worried about that. Everyone says homosexuals can't get to Heaven (me), everyone says people who have mental illness can't get to Heaven (me), everyone says people who commit suicide can't get to Heaven (statistically speaking, that'll probably be me too), and some people even say feminine guys or masculine girls can't get to Heaven (feminine guy, right here, what's up?). So....yeah, I'm living in fear that even though I love God (that I know is true. I cling and cry and beg and plead for Him to love me back), that I may not be "saved enough" to go to Heaven...and...and it's hard to trust God when you fear He'll throw you into the fire even if you gave everything you have, your future, your dreams, your everything, to Him.
Really scared, really lost, really tired, and really in need of someone who will just...listen. (Of course God listens, but it sometimes is hard to remember that He pays attention too)
Thanks for reading. Loves
Yeah, probably. Sorry, it irks me when people say "good people go to heaven" lol. Just keep believing and holding on to the Rock. God is good@nomadictheist @hiphopopotomus
I think there are probably better places on this site for that discussion, lol
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- Sorry to say this, but while you accuse me of not loving God enough, you stand on equal footing. We all sin, and all sin is equal. So if literally the only sin you commit is stealing a pen from the bank, you are still at the same level as I am, bibically speaking...
He's the thing. You can sin every single day of your life, but that's not what keeps you out of Heaven. In less technical terms, it's not believing that Christ died for sins that you deserved to die for. The rest is more or less trying to get it right. Sorry if I snapped earlier.Sorry, if I sound accusing.
If we all sin or live in sin that is sad thing because:
He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10
And eternal life is for righteous:
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
And I have understood that sin is to reject God or live without him.
Yes indeed. A tree will be judged by its fruit.
And yet, when someone addressed Him as "good teacher" Jesus replied that there "is none good but God"
So you can't "be a good person." You can "believe on the name of the Lord Jesus and you will be saved."
Oh, and at the final judgment, as recorded in revelation, anyone whose name was not written in the Lamb's book of life was cast into the lake of fire... nothing in there about being a good person.
Additionally the bible tells us God is faithful even when we are faithless. So you might want to reexamine your theology on that point.
And finally, Jesus did say that. It's one of the most memorized verses in the bible actually. He said that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life
Again that is NOT what Jesus said.Matthew 25 31-40.Sermon on the Mount reference to sheep and goats.
It might "irk' fundamentalist evangelicals that people do not have to join their gang to earn the compassion of God but they have a distorted sense of Gods capacity for justice.
Most obviously that interpretation of the purpose of Jesus implies that all the millions of good people who lived their lives on earth prior to the arrival of Jesus were forsaken by God and excluded from entering heaven.Which ,if true, reveals a deeply unfair and and cruel God.
Why anybody would choose to believe in such a mean spirited God is beyond me however.
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