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Hi. It is still a Catholic doctrine to me.
Hi. It is still a Catholic doctrine to me.
Btw, has the church studied on the Melchizedek of the Bible as much as they do the "Mary".
Hebrews 7:1 For this Malkiy-Tsedeq , king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who did meet Abraham turning back from the smiting of the kings, and did bless him, ............ 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, and being made like to the Son of God, doth remain a priest continually.
Oh sorry. I was under the assumption there were only Catholics after Peter. My bad.It may be to you, but history proves you wrong if you think it originated with or is unique to Catholics.
No longer can it be disbelieved just because you think it is something Roman Catholics made up
Yes, how odd it is that the first arguments against the PV of the Theotokos arise only in the past century, and then only among modern evangelicals. The denial of her ever virginity is neither based on the history of the Church, nor on Scriptural evidence. It is a belief born and bred of the modern distrust and throwing away of all things Catholic.
The problem with this of course is that with the emergence of the Orthodox Church (both Eastern and Oriental) in Western lands it is becoming obvious that this doctrine is not a Western Roman Catholic invention, but one held in common by all the Apostolic Churches. There can be only one reason for a common belief among these Apostolic Churches, and that is that the belief predated any Schism among them. Three Churches, separate for 1600 years, all believing the exact same thing. In this respect the PV of the Theotokos is on par with the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and other orthodox proclamations prior to the 4th Ecumenical council.
So the Church for 1800+ years had it wrong, misread and misheard and miscopied her manuscripts (but not the Bible of course) until American evangelicals with a romaphobic streak straightened us all out.
You have no evidence and no motive for the crime. And if you convict the Church in your mind, what does this say about the veracity of those things she gave you that you choose to accept because they fit your theology ?
I am just thankfull we have better translations and more Greek/Hebrew resuorces to study from than they did.Out of reps for now.
The OO, who also is Apostolic was schismed in 400 AD or something also believe the same.
HOW can three CORE Apostolic Churches with one beginning, ALL be wrong?
I am just thankfull we have better translations and more Greek/Hebrew resuorces to study from than they did.
I am just thankfull we have better translations and more Greek/Hebrew resuorces to study from than they did.
Guess my Reps would be higher if I wasn't Scripture only.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/
[ISA] Revelation 1:1 [a/an] From/Un-Covering/Veiling[ apo-kaluyiV] ihsou/Yeshuwa` cristou/Mashiyach, which gives to Him, the God/'elohiym, to show to the bond-servants of Him, which is behooving to be becoming in swiftness. And He signifies sending out* thru/by the messenger of Him, to the Bondservants of Him, iwannh/Y@howchanan.
The denial of her ever virginity is neither based on the history of the Church, nor on Scriptural evidence. It is a belief born and bred of the modern distrust and throwing away of all things Catholic.
Augustine said that the pleasure of making love is sinful, even within marriage. If husbands and wives focus on having children while they are making love, and they don't allow themselves to have any pleasure while doing it, then they are free from sin. If they make love in order to have children, and they enjoy doing it, then they commit a venial sin. And if they enjoy making love, and they don't want to have children, then they commit a sin that is as serious as adultery.
The Liturgy of Saint James is considered to be the oldest surviving liturgy developed for general use in the Church. Its date of composition is still disputed with some authorities proposing an early date, perhaps ca. AD 60, close to the time of composition of Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans. Many others, think that it is entirely destitute of any claim to an apostolic origin, and that it belongs to a much later age. On balance the weight of authorities is for a date between mid- and late-third century. An early form is thought to be alluded to by Eusebius of Caesarea in a sermon made around AD 320.
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Is that the earliest reference you can find to any allusion to this dogma?
HOW can three...., ALL be wrong?
As far as has been shown to me, there is no mention of the teaching - even as just an individual personal opinion - prior to the mid to late Third Century.
Could three denominations be wrong about something? Well, I wouldn't categorically and unquestionably assume they could not be.
Augustine isn't the Church. Augustine doesn't speak for the Church... The Church speaks for the Church.Here is a quick quote from his book..
so? what does that prove?Augustine also wrote a book about how if you enjoy intercourse in marriage it is sin.. So this is where this mans mind is.. His book can be read on line..
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