Yeshua/Yahweh vs Ehyeh

[Going Merry]

I came across a website that accused Yeshua / Yahweh of being pagan names. Likening them to a moon god. That the real name of the Lord is Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh. It also showed how Jesus is literally the name of the Lord, and that it showed Jesus' name in the Old Testaments even.

Now taking this information I went over what they were talking about and it made sense. Paleo-Hebrew doesn't allow such a name like yhvh or yeshua or yahweh. But then again I have never studied it.

Just wondering what you all think.

 

[granpa]

Asher sounds very similar to aesir.
its also similar to osiris.
edit:and surya

http://interlinearbible.org/exodus/3-14.htm

 

[PersephonesTear]

TL;DR

In other news - I have not heard that. Can someone define Paleo-Hebrew for me? Meaning, is this used to refer to the original language of the Old Testament, or does it indicate an earlier dialect?

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

Moonpup,

I don't think there is any such thing as "Paleo-Hebrew". Abraham and his family originated in the Sumerian city/state of Ur and were part of the well-known Akkadian civilization. While the Sumerians spoke a non-Semitic language, the Akkadian language was the root of all the Semitic languages spoken in the Middle East.

The name of the language is derived from the city of Akkad, a major center of Semitic Mesopotamian civilization, during the Akkadian Empire (ca. 2334–2154 BC), although the language predates the founding of Akkad.

Akkadian is divided into several varieties based on geography and historical period:
• Old Akkadian, 2500–1950 BC
• Old Babylonian/Old Assyrian, 1950–1530 BC
• Middle Babylonian/Middle Assyrian, 1530–1000 BC
• Neo-Babylonian/Neo-Assyrian, 1000–600 BC
• Late Babylonian, 600 BC–100 AD

The term "Paleo" is a shortened form of the word "Paleolithic." The Paleolithic Age is a prehistoric period of human history distinguished by the development of the most primitive stone tools discovered and covers roughly 99% of human technological prehistory. It extends from the earliest known use of stone tools, probably by hominins such as australopithecines, 2.6 million years ago, to the end of the Pleistocene around 10,000 BP.

I'm a fairly decent historian, but I don't think anybody can trace the Jews past 8,000 BC.

However, we can trace both the Jews and the Sumerians from the Middle East back into ancient India and the Sind-Saraswati-Indus civilization (formerly called the Indus Valley Civilization.)

As for the curiously strange assertions made by Knewtruth, I've been studying ancient history for over 40 years now. I've never seen 98% of those statements before.

I am, however familiar with the term "ahayah yashar ahayah". The official Hebrew translation of it is "I am that I am" which is a statement, not name. However Ahayah is also probably one of the Semitic forms of the well-known Babylonian-Vedic entity known variously as Ea, Ayus, Aila, Ayu. Enki in Sumerian and Ptah Tannin in Egyptian.

And yes, there is significant evidence that some Jews may have worshiped him. However, if you track this entity through history, you'll find that he appears as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden, thus he would not be an entity we Christians should worship. Or I sure wouldn't go there...

Just earlier today I posted some info qualified by sources about this being. You'll find it on page 3 of the "Job, Daniel, Noah, Jonah, and Paul Bunyan" thread.

 

[ChetSinger]

I came across a website that accused Yeshua / Yahweh of being pagan names. Likening them to a moon god. That the real name of the Lord is Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh. It also showed how Jesus is literally the name of the Lord, and that it showed Jesus' name in the Old Testaments even.

Now taking this information I went over what they were talking about and it made sense. Paleo-Hebrew doesn't allow such a name like yhvh or yeshua or yahweh. But then again I have never studied it.

Just wondering what you all think.

Hello! There's no conspiracy, and it's simpler than that. Here's part of the NET Bible footnote on Exodus 3:14, where God tells Moses that his name is "I am":

The verb form used here is אֶהְיֶה (’ehyeh), the Qal imperfect, first person common singular, of the verb הָיָה (haya, “to be”). It forms an excellent paronomasia with the name. So when God used the verb to express his name, he used this form saying, “I am.” When his people refer to him as Yahweh, which is the third person masculine singular form of the same verb, they say “he is.”

So "Ehyeh", spoken by God, means "I am", and "Yahweh", spoken by us, means "He is".

Hope this helps.

P.S. I think the footnotes in the online NET Bible are a treasure to be mined.

 

[Der Alte]

Hello! There's no conspiracy, and it's simpler than that. Here's part of the NET Bible footnote on Exodus 3:14, where God tells Moses that his name is "I am":


So "Ehyeh", spoken by God, means "I am", and "Yahweh", spoken by us, means "He is".

Hope this helps.

P.S. I think the footnotes in the online NET Bible are a treasure to be mined.

And the best part is the NET Bible with footnotes can be downloaded for free at Bible.org.

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

I came across a website that accused Yeshua / Yahweh of being pagan names.

Yeshua is not a pagan name. It's the Aramaic form of 'Joshua.' The Aramaic language was spoken in Galilee in the north and Hebrew was spoken in Jerusalem in the South. The Hebrew form of Yeshua is Yahshua.

We use Yeshua because that is the way his name was spoken by his friends and family.

 

[Der Alte]

. . . Yahweh Is The Name Of A Calf Idol. Yahweh Along With Many Other Words Were Falsely Inserted Into The Records Of Yasharal And Deceptively Taught As Real Words. Ahayah Is Ahayah. We Do Not Change His Name To "he is". He Told Moses Plainly Tell Them "AHAYAH"/ "I Am" Sent Me Unto You. The Perspective Of His Name Was Not Changed From The First Person.


YESHUA/YASHUA/YASHWA IS "JOSHUA" BUT IT IS NOT THE SON'S NAME. THE SON'S NAME HAS THE FATHER'S NAME IN IT. THE SON IS AHAYASHI.

Absolute nonsense!

Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD [[SIZE="+1"]יהוה[/SIZE]] God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [[SIZE="+1"]יהוה[/SIZE]] is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Isa 55:8-11
(8) For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
(9) For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
(10) For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
(11) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

God said He would preserve His name and His word. What you are claiming calls God a liar.

 

[Der Alte]

Just because you use red letters, that doesn't make the TRUTH that I posted void.Yahweh and Asherah are idols. That truth is public knowledge and anyone SEEKING TRUTH WILL FIND IT. THE PRECEPTS IN MY FIRST POST STILL STAND. THEY RE-PLACED AHAYAH'S NAME WITH YHWH THE CALF OF SAMARIA.

You simply ignored what I wrote. The scripture I posted showed that God said He would protect His name and His word. You are making God a liar saying He did not protect His word and His name. There have been many, many people before you who makes similar claims. "The church has been wrong for 2000 years and only I/we have the real truth." You can post until your keyboard wears out, but without evidence, which you have not and cannot provide, everything you post is no more convincing nor compelling than that of those before you; Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, John Thomas, etc.

How do those of us who do have the truth know that our understanding of the Hebrew is correct? Because there is credible, verifiable, historical evidence. What evidence do you have to back up your assertions?

Jewish Encyclopedia - Names of God.

if the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ([SIZE="+1"]יהוה[/SIZE]) or Yahaweh [SIZE="+1"](יהו&#1492[/SIZE] . From this the contracted form Jah or Yah ([SIZE="+1"]יה[/SIZE]) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho ([SIZE="+1"]יהו[/SIZE] = ), and Jo or Yo (,[SIZE="+1"]יו [/SIZE] contracted from ), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah ([SIZE="+1"]יה[/SIZE]) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name '[SIZE="+1"]Iαβέ[/SIZE][pronounced Yahveh or Yahbeh]. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces '[SIZE="+1"]Iαουέ[/SIZE] or '[SIZE="+1"]Iαουαί[/SIZE], [pronounced Yahweh] and Origen, '[SIZE="+1"]Iα[/SIZE].[pronounced yah] Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as [SIZE="+1"]Ιαωουηε[/SIZE]. [pronounced Yahoweh] At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render [SIZE="+1"]κύριος[/SIZE] ("the Lord").

Jewish Encyclopedia online​

 

[Anto9us]

That Yahweh is a Samaritan "calf god" - I would consider that "bovine scatology"

and this thread reveals the most BLATANT RACISM I have ever seen on CF

 

[Der Alte]

That Yahweh is a Samaritan "calf god" - I would consider that "bovine scatology"

and this thread reveals the most BLATANT RACISM I have ever seen on CF

I disagree, it should be "organic bovine scatology!"

I was thinking the same thing. Revisionist "history" contrived to elevate one ethnic group and demean all others. With, I might add, no evidence whatsoever.

 

[Anto9us]

lol

"organic bovine scatology" it is!

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

and this thread reveals the most BLATANT RACISM I have ever seen on CF

Yes. I found it rather offensive as well.

 

[Phantasman]

I'll go with the non Canonicals, in which Jesus backed up Moses by saying " He is unnameable, since there is no one prior to him to give him a name", to John. When Jesus said he glorified his Fathers name, I'm sure he didn't men Yahweh or any other physical name. But a description of who he was.

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

As simply and as calmly as I can come across in a written format, I would like to explain why I would never use "ahayah asher ahayah" or the more common form "ehyah asher ehyah" to reference the God of my faith.

We all know it means "I am that I am." And right there, in those five little words, is contained the basic religious philosophy taught by the Kabbalists, the Theosophists, the Hindus and countless New Age groups. It is a religious philosophy that basically teaches that human beings can become gods.

To my way of thinking, if you pray to "ahayah" or "ehyah" you are in effect directing your prayer to "I am." Put another way, it amounts to praying to yourself or at least that's the way it comes across to me.

But there is an even darker side to it.

The word "ahayah" is scriptural or formal Hebrew. In the old days, few people spoke formal Hebrew; it was a language that was basically used by the priesthoods in the Temple. The common or spoken form is "ehyah"and that was the form that common people in many nations spoke aloud.

And now we come to the crux of the issue…

When you say the word "ehyah" aloud, it is pronounced "AAA-yuh", and this, my friends, like it or not is the way you pronounce the name of a VERY PAGAN Babylonian god named "Ea." The Sumerians called him by the name "Enki," however all the Semitic speaking people used "Ea." To verify this, just go to Wikipedia and look up "Enki."

The pronunciation for "ehyah" and Ea is EXACTLY the same.

Furthermore, the pronunciation of "asher" is exactly the same as the pronunciation of the Assyrian god named "Ashur". Again, just go to Wikipedia and look up the name "Ashur."

When you say "ehyah asher ehyah" aloud, according all the laws of pagan magic and occultism, you are "calling down" the gods that answer these names! In other words, it's an act of INVOKING these ancient and VERY BAD entities.

It doesn't matter how you spell the name; it matters how you speak the name! "Ahayah" is the Hebrew version of "Ehyah." It is the act of calling down Ea, who was actually the father of Babylonian god Marduk! (Merodach in the Bible.)

There is no way that I'm going to do that!

Period.

 

[Der Alte]

As simply and as calmly as I can come across in a written format, I would like to explain why I would never use "ahayah asher ahayah" or the more common form "ehyah asher ehyah" to reference the God of my faith.

We all know it means "I am that I am." And right there, in those five little words, is contained the basic religious philosophy taught by the Kabbalists, the Theosophists, the Hindus and countless New Age groups. It is a religious philosophy that basically teaches that human beings can become gods.

To my way of thinking, if you pray to "ahayah" or "ehyah" you are in effect directing your prayer to "I am." Put another way, it amounts to praying to yourself or at least that's the way it comes across to me.

But there is an even darker side to it.

The word "ahayah" is scriptural or formal Hebrew. In the old days, few people spoke formal Hebrew; it was a language that was basically used by the priesthoods in the Temple. The common or spoken form is "ehyah"and that was the form that common people in many nations spoke aloud.

And now we come to the crux of the issue…

When you say the word "ehyah" aloud, it is pronounced "AAA-yuh", and this, my friends, like it or not is the way you pronounce the name of a VERY PAGAN Babylonian god named "Ea." The Sumerians called him by the name "Enki," however all the Semitic speaking people used "Ea." To verify this, just go to Wikipedia and look up "Enki."

The pronunciation for "ehyah" and Ea is EXACTLY the same.

Furthermore, the pronunciation of "asher" is exactly the same as the pronunciation of the Assyrian god named "Ashur". Again, just go to Wikipedia and look up the name "Ashur."

When you say "ehyah asher ehyah" aloud, according all the laws of pagan magic and occultism, you are "calling down" the gods that answer these names! In other words, it's an act of INVOKING these ancient and VERY BAD entities.

It doesn't matter how you spell the name; it matters how you speak the name! "Ahayah" is the Hebrew version of "Ehyah." It is the act of calling down Ea, who was actually the father of Babylonian god Marduk! (Merodach in the Bible.)

There is no way that I'm going to do that!

Period.

To start off, the words that God spoke to Moses was not "ehyah asher ehyah! The correct pronunciation is ehyeh asher ehyeh and one can safely speak that without "calling down" any pagan deities. The aleph [SIZE="+1"]א[/SIZE] in the word "asher" is pointed with hateph pathah, which is a short vowel, and is pronounced as a short "uh" sound, similar to the second "o" in bottom.

The OP of this thread has presented no evidence whatsoever for the Hebrew pronunciations he is presenting.

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

I was not speaking in haste. I've spent 42 years studying ancient history and ancient religions in an effort to understand the Bible better.

My effort was to warn you that you appear to be on a dangerous path. I did so as an act of kindness.

You can yell at me all you want to.

It won't change my mind.

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

Here is part of an article I pulled off a Christian blog site and I cannot provide the link to the article because I'm still a newbie here. Sorry…

The following was written by a person that had been teaching that "ahayah asher ahayah" was the true name of God. Then he was presented with evidence that changed his mind.

He writes…

"Trying to discover the true name of the Most High has been a toiling task. Time after time I have come across a name which I have thought to be true only to discover later that , that name also is false and a deception. Up until recently I have been teaching that the name of the Most High in the Hebrew is ahayah asher ahayah, however in light of information that has been brought to my attention, I must regrettably conclude that ahayah asher ahayah IS NOT the name of the Most High power. I apologize to everybody for teaching this error and I am currently adjusting my blogs in which this name has been mentioned and subsequently erasing the name and the teachings thereof. A two hour plus conversation with a close friend of mine in which we both went through the evidence together clearly shows that the name ahayah asher ahayah is in fact linked to the Kabbalah, JewISH mysticism, black magic, the forces of darkness and evil. Once again, I apologise for this prior teaching of error but this simply shows everybody here that man is not infallible and that he does make mistakes. The important thing here is to rectify the mistake when discovered. We simply move along with the information we are presented with at any particular time, this world is full of deceit and lies and it is undoubtably the case that we are all going to be continually discovering new information and making changes as per the new information until Christ returns, none the less this must be done. What, are we to find out truths but still choose to remain with the lies?"

The article then goes on to discuss some of the evidence he found.

Evidently, I am not alone in my conclusions.

 

[Phantasman]

There is evidence for everything I post even by WHITE GENTILE sources. You are just too LAZY to seek it out. It's public/common knowledge.

I'm not here to spoon feed, or cast pearls before swine, you all are already trampling it under foot (calling the Father's TRUE name "BS"/"Bull dookie"), as you continue to hold on to a calf idol called "Yahweh" and all the while heaping up coals of fire upon your own heads. You all can keep lying to yourselves and your children but that only proves how much you love lies. AHAYAH is going to turn you over to a reprobate mind because you love lies and hate TRUTH and refuse to retain him in your knowledge. You all are worshipping an image of his creation instead of worshipping AHAYAH the Creator of heaven and earth.

There is a difference between being lazy and knowing how and where to find the wisdom of Christ. They are NOT common knowledge, but are mysteries that we are to seek out. Those mysteries are in the parables and the wisdom that Christ brought, not in the OT.

Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

 

[Pluckiy Pilgrim]

"There is a difference between being lazy and knowing how and where to find the wisdom of Christ. They are NOT common knowledge, but are mysteries that we are to seek out. Those mysteries are in the parables and the wisdom that Christ brought, not in the OT. "

Thank you, Phantasman.

I have followed the path of thousands and thousands of CHRISTIAN acadmians and scholars who have studied the ancient texts coming out of Babylon and Sumer in the attempt to shed some light on what the OT says. During my investigation of these texts, my well-worn, marked up, and by now nearly falling apart KJV bible has NEVER left my side, and my trusty Strong's Concordance as well.

CHRISTIAN scholars who have followed the same path that I am on know the same thing that I do. And that uncomfortable and rather sad truth is that hundreds and hundreds of passages in the OT appear to be rewritten copies of stories taken DIRECTLY from the Sumerian and Babylonian texts. In some cases the Jewish scribes responsible for doing this did not even bother to rewrite the Babylonian texts, but put word for word copies (and I do mean verbatim) into the Old Testament.

It's documented and the proof IS there, all taken from clay tablets that are thousands of years older than the OT and those texts have been translated, documented and verified many times over.

Jesus warned us all time and time again against putting our faith in the Pharisees and scribes. And in my well-studied opinion, we should all heed those words carefully.

And I might add that the only people I know of that fling terms like "white gentile" around like it's a lower than low insult are Talmudic Jews.

Should the OP do it again, I shall post what the Babylonian Talmud has to say about GENTILES AND JESUS, and I am fairly certain you will gasp in shock and horror, just like I did when I first laid eyes on it.

Unfortunately, the SAME circle of Pharisees and scribes that wrote the Babylonian Talmud also "edited" the Old Testament...