Yeshua and the Torah

Wow, iktca! Thank you for that.

In our lives, even though we have been observing the Shabbat a short time (in the limited understanding we currently have on what "observing" actually is), it is something we look forward to. My wife is an independent contractor and works tons of crazy hours. When we first started observing Shabbat she commented on just how much of a relief it was to know on Friday evening you are done working for a day, and that she did not have to feel guilty about relaxing and not working.

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theseed said:

It may be true that the church aurthorities at the time were anti-semitic and did change the Sabboth, but I also know that Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday,

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Could you provide scripture supporting your claim that Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday?

Thanks.

theseed said:

I just realized something. Yeshua went to Sheol on the Sabbath!

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How do you know this?

theseed said:

2) Jesus was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and rescued the faithful from Sheol.

"Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:”(Apostles Creed)
· Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all (Isaiah 53.4-6).

· A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matthew 12.39-40).

· I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. (Revelation 1.18; John 18.28-42).

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It looks like the only thing that says he descended into Hell was the apostles creed. I mean we all know that he died and remained in the tomb until the third day when he rose. But where does this "descending into hell" come from?

CIF

There were 2 sabbaths that week - Passover is a sabbath (a Wednesday that year), and Shabbat is a sabbath.....
Yeshua was in the earth "three days and three nights" - so.....
Yeshua died on the day of preparation as the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover
He was buried just before sunset on Wednesday, when Passover was celebrated
Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown - #1 Passover day
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown - #2
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown - #3
Yeshua rose anytime after sundown Saturday, on the first day of the week, HaBikkurim/First Fruits That year,
Keep in mind that the Jewish day starts and ends at sundown.

theseed said:

hell is sheol, and I cited the scriptures that support the Apostles Creed, even Henaynei agrees that he went into Sheol, or in the Greek, Hades. Read the verses I posted and you would understand, it seems that you just glanced over it and posted.

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Sorry, but I am not seeing it.
Did you mean this line of your post: 2) Jesus was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and rescued the faithful from Sheol.

If so where does that come from there is no book or chapter reference.

theseed said:

CIF, I thought you being an MJ, would know these things. Sheol was divided into 2 parts and each part was seperated by a great chasm, on part was "Abraham's bossom, and the other was the "hell" or suffering part. When Christ died, he went into the heart of the earth, the pit, the grave, sheol and gathered those in Abraham's bossom, and opened took the keys of hell and death from HaSatan (is not this a borrowed word?)

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Thanks or the info. Tecnically Paradise is Gan-Eden, (Garden of Eden) However once again it is from bible commentary. I was hoping to see something more specific. I know Yeshua told the one malifactor that "Today you will be with me in Paradise." But the doctrine of Paradise/ Gehenon, is not well defined in scripture. I am not sure but I believe this to be of Kabbalah origins. But is was well known in the second temple period. as seen in this quote from Talmud,

R. Jeremiah b. Eleazar further stated: Come and see that human2 relationship is not like that with the Holy One, blessed be He. In human2 relationship when a man is sentenced to death for [an offence against] a government, a hook must be placed in his mouth in order that he shall not [be able to] curse the king, but in the relationship with the Holy One, blessed be He, when a man incurs [the penalty of] death for [an offence against] the Omnipresent he keeps silence, as it is said: Towards Thee silence3 is praise;4 and he, furthermore, offers praise, for it is stated: ‘praise’; and not only that but he also regards it5 as if he offered a sacrifice, for it is said6 in Scripture: And unto Thee the vow is performed.7 This8 is exactly in line with what R. Joshua b. Levi has said: What [is the meaning of] what is written: Passing through the valley of Baca they make it a place of springs; yea, the early rain clotheth it with blessings,9 ‘passing’ is an allusion to10 men who transgress11 the will of the Holy One, blessed be He; ‘valley’ [is an allusion to these men] for whom Gehenna is made deep;12 ‘of Baca’ [signifies] that they weep and shed tears;13 ‘they make it a place of springs’,14 like the constant flow15 of the altar drains;16 ‘Yea, the early rain clotheth it with blessings’, they acknowledge the justice17 of their punishment and declare before Him, ‘Lord of the universe,18 Thou hast judged well, Thou hast condemned well, and well provided Gehenna for the wicked and Paradise for the righteous’.