Because if God can defy logic, he can make himself not exist. Do you think the eternal God can remove himself from existence?
God is the embodiment of logic - therefore, he can't defy it.
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Because if God can defy logic, he can make himself not exist. Do you think the eternal God can remove himself from existence?If he is the most powerful, then nothing has power above him and he has power above everything else.
How do you dare say God cannot do as he pleases, however he pleases?
Do we have any reason to think God couldn't remove himself from existence? Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he couldn't. The contradiction in your statement is the eternal God removing himself from existence. But the problem with that is not that it is impossible but that it is self contradictory nonsense. Being eternal and not existing is simply a contradiction in terms. By ceasing to exist God would not be, possibly would never have been eternal. (Though in talking about that we are trying to discuss the nature of time outside our universe, our space time continuum.)Because if God can defy logic, he can make himself not exist. Do you think the eternal God can remove himself from existence?
God is the embodiment of logic - therefore, he can't defy it.
Because if God can defy logic, he can make himself not exist. Do you think the eternal God can remove himself from existence?
God is the embodiment of logic - therefore, he can't defy it.
Technically isn't everywhere and nowhere the center of the universe?Because it's all expanding away from a centerpoint.
Technically isn't everywhere and nowhere the center of the universe?
Reminds me of that old, cute argument for the existence of God:Do we have any reason to think God couldn't remove himself from existence? Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he couldn't. The contradiction in your statement is the eternal God removing himself from existence. But the problem with that is not that it is impossible but that it is self contradictory nonsense. Being eternal and not existing is simply a contradiction in terms. By ceasing to exist God would not be, possibly would never have been eternal. (Though in talking about that we are trying to discuss the nature of time outside our universe, our space time continuum.)
I do agree that the Hebrew concept of God is 'most powerful' while it was the Greek philosophical approach to God that speaks in absolutes, omnipotent omniscient. In one way this has led into real difficulties in theology, an all sovereign God who cannot do anything that will take away from being all sovereign. On the other hand, I do think the Hebrew "most powerful" is simply the Hebrew way of describing the indescribable and that an infinite God is probably the best way we have to describe the Creator of all. But a big problem with the discussion is that so often the "things that are impossible for God" are simply self contradictions, that we can put into words but have no meaning.
Technically isn't everywhere and nowhere the center of the universe?
Our earth is the center point. I------------I
Don't forget the singularity was everything. There is no one point in the unverse that used to be the singularity and we are all moving away from that, everywhere in the universe is where the singularity was, and it is all expanding away from every other part.I think, my question was more concisely attemptingf to detach itself from the Biblical stance, and look at a more physical intrepretation of observation.
How can we determine the center of everything via observation?
98cwitr's comment "everything is expanding away from everything" is logically incoherent. Everything, from a singularity standpoint MUST be expanding awa from a single point!
Now, if we are in fact, moving away from a singularity, the measurements
must be determinate! We must be moving away from one point! And if this is so, it must be measurable!
I think, my question was more concisely attemptingf to detach itself from the Biblical stance, and look at a more physical interpretation of observation.
How can we determine the center of everything via observation?
98cwitr's comment "everything is expanding away from everything" is logically incoherent. Everything, from a singularity standpoint MUST be expanding awa from a single point!
Now, if we are in fact, moving away from a singularity, the measurements
must be determinate! We must be moving away from one point! And if this is so, it must be measurable!
But it's not a singular standpoint.
The Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe
I don't believe everything in that link...like "time was created at the Big Bang" because time is a man made construct...it's only a perception, there is no literal (tangible) existence of time same as there is no literal existence of numbers. The only thing that literally exists is matter.
Do we have any reason to think God couldn't remove himself from existence?
Don't think that helps, the issue is not that God IS now, but whether he can update his status and NOT BE.
Don't think that helps, the issue is not that God IS now, but whether he can update his status and NOT BE.
Does it define Him or describe Him? However if God chose not to exist it would not define or describe Him anymore. If there even would be an anymore without God.Then He wouldn't be "I AM" anymore. His name defines Him.
That ends the issue.
No I don't think so, because Being and Not Being at the same time are simply a contradiction in terms. We can put it into words, but it is meaningless.God could NOT BE and BE at the same time, because he is God.
And trustworthy.God could also simply NOT BE. Nothing is too hard for God to do.
However, our faith lies in God's word, that he is eternally.
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