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The other books seem to deal with other things like history and politics:I've heard about them, but that's it. Sounds interesting from what you say. I think I'll have to look into them some more.
The most basic contradiction, or inconsistency that Rand had was arguing from an atheistic perspective.Like I've said many times, Rand was NOT consistent in the application of the principles she espoused. Which makes it all the more ridiculous for orthodox Randians to claim "have no ruler but reason" as their slogan.
She didn't like people asking other people for favors, so she tried to come up with a way to make it "irrational" for charity to exist. She failed at that and grudgingly admitted that purely voluntary charity is rational, but she never actually went back and revised the original sentiment. Ergo, a contradiction.
Would those here that are knowledgeable of Rand agree with this?
What Liberals Donât Understand About Ayn Rand - Reason.com
I'm about half way done with the article, maybe I'll submit some interesting quotes as I come by them.Compared to self-identified liberals and conservatives, libertarians showed 1) stronger endorsement of individual liberty as their foremost guiding principle, and weaker endorsement of all other moral principles; 2) a relatively cerebral as opposed to emotional cognitive style; and 3) lower interdependence and social relatedness. As predicted by intuitionist theories concerning the origins of moral reasoning, libertarian values showed convergent relationships with libertarian emotional dispositions and social preferences. Our findings add to a growing recognition of the role of personality differences in the organization of political attitudes.
While I do like Adam Kokesh, I don't blame the Paul campaign for doing that. The way he conducts himself has gotten worse and worse. He can be quite full of himself and has fallen into the unfortunate AnCap trap of calling all other libertarians statists, which annoys me to no end. The way that he has treated Rand Paul and Jack Hunter infuriates me as well. I'm not happy with Rand's endorsement of Mittens nor Jack's defense of it, but it's obvious that Kokesh went overboard with an emotional tangent, something he does often.
They don't really understand libertarianism that well but I think that doesn't have much bearing on the goals of the study. The quoting of Rand is a good example, and they seem to be using a different understanding of altruism then many libertarians would.Not a single mention of aggression, force, violence, or coercion in the whole article. Considering that opposition to those things is what constitutes "libertarian morality", I don't think they really know what a libertarian is.
In the end as the abstract would indicate it the study found that libertarians lack empathyThis result is consistent with our findings on the MFQ and Schwartz Values Scale measures, in that libertarians appear to live in a world where traditional moral concerns (e.g., altruism, respect for authority) are not assigned much importance.
low levels of empathic concern indicate lower levels of sympathy and concern for unfortunate others, which may underlie libertarians' lower scores on the harm foundation of the MFQ, and their general rejection of altruism as a moral duty.
But are the most cerebral.libertarians are the only group that scored higher on systemizing than on empathizing.
This pattern is consistent with the libertarian valuation of logic and reasoning over emotion. Libertarians may enjoy thinking about complex and abstract systems more than other groups, particularly more than conservatives.
**********The cognitive reflection task provides a behavioral validation of the hypothesis that libertarians have a more reasoned cognitive style. In our dataset, this measure inter-correlates with both Need for Cognition (r = .30, p<.001) and Baron-Cohen Systemizer (r = .31, p<.001) scores, with libertarians scoring higher than both liberals and conservatives on all three measures. Taken together, a convergent picture of the rational cognitive style of libertarians emerges
Do they not support a state?He can be quite full of himself and has fallen into the unfortunate AnCap trap of calling all other libertarians statists,
If they aren't anarchists how are they not statists? Seems like an accurate description.Adam Kokesh punches Ron Paul - YouTube
I'll refer to a post MacFall made way back in this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t7343710-23/#post60031908 That's basically the way I feel now.Do they not support a state? If they aren't anarchists how are they not statists? Seems like an accurate description.
I'm sure you know what he's said about Rand Paul. He says Ron Paul has abandoned the grassroots just because he doesn't want Kokesh there. As I said before, Kokesh can be quite full of himself. Knowing what I do about him, I have no problem concluding he is thinking more highly of himself than he deserves.I'm not sure what RepublicRebels is referring too. What attacks on the Paul family? When did Kokesh imply that the movement can't survive without him and claim to be the leader of the libertarian movement?
Peter Schiff? That statist!?
The whole blaming Ron for raising him wrong was a weird but his assessment of Rand overall seemed fairly accurate.I'm sure you know what he's said about Rand Paul.
I haven't/missed that part.He says Ron Paul has abandoned the grassroots just because he doesn't want Kokesh there.
He fits my definition of a statist.Peter Schiff? That statist!?Kidding, kidding.
He is the head of the Ron Paul campaign, who Kokesh seems to primarily blame and take issue with.I don't know anything about Jesse Benton, so I can't say what I think of him.
Would those here that are knowledgeable of Rand agree with this?
What Liberals Donât Understand About Ayn Rand - Reason.com
As I said, Im not happy with Rand endorsing Romney. But Kokesh, like he does with a lot of things, blew it way out of proportion.zoink said:The whole blaming Ron for raising him wrong was a weird but his assessment of Rand overall seemed fairly accurate.
I know. He just doesnt fit mine.He fits my definition of a statist.
I do know that much. I just havent looked into Bentons supposed problems enough to have an opinion one way or another.He is the head of the Ron Paul campaign, who Kokesh seems to primarily blame and take issue with.
Despite my criticism, I like Kokesh as well. He just frustrates me because hes obviously driven by his emotions more than he would like to think and can be pretty arrogant as well.Noxot said:i love Adam Kokesh, if ron paul is jesus then adam is paul the apostle.
adam has a good heart imo.
Kokesh is a young person who is in need of adult supervision to shepherd him through his moments of "foot-in-mouth" disease.As I said, Im not happy with Rand endorsing Romney. But Kokesh, like he does with a lot of things, blew it way out of proportion.
Like Robert Murphy said: Holy cow, the people on FB and the blogosphere in general are going absolutely nuts over Rand Paul killing all those Girl Scouts with a 5 iron. Ha ha not really, all he did was endorse Mitt Romney. But the reaction was about the same.
No, Rand isnt perfect; neither is Ron, Peter Schiff, or even Murray Rothbard for that matter. Kokesh like many Molynoids has this kind of unwillingness to look past or even forgive peoples faults.
I know. He just doesnt fit mine.I just thought it was funny we were talking about whether minarchists are statists and then you reference Schiff.
I do know that much. I just havent looked into Bentons supposed problems enough to have an opinion one way or another.
Despite my criticism, I like Kokesh as well. He just frustrates me because hes obviously driven by his emotions more than he would like to think and can be pretty arrogant as well.
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