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Matthew 13:23 But he who received seed on good ground is he who hears
the word and understands,, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a
hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

The Measure of Faith and Promised Spirit of Christ is Received for His Purpose
Ephesians 4:
12
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the
edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the
Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the
fullness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried
about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the Truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is
the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which
every joint supplies, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part,
makes increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

The Fruit of the Spirit is for the edification of Body of Christ
James 3:18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace
by those who make peace.

John 15:
16
You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go
and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father
in My name He may give you.

17 These things I command you, that you love one another.
How do you perceive that you have yielded hundredfold ?
 
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You must be born again from above.
I knew that I needed to be reborn after reading these verses 30 years ago.

1 Peter 1:
22
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the Truth through the Spirit in sincere love
of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,
23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God
which lives and abides forever.
Noting the absence of this fervent love, I began to seek this from the Lord, and receive
by
His Spirit the will to live in service for others, and experience His Love in my Heart.
This is how I came to know the Grace of God in Truth.
Only by the fruit of the Spirit can we love others as Christ loves.
I don’t deny your experience that you have. I understand to seek obvious answer, may still pose a challenge. Thank you for answering the best you can offer.
 
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Is there something you would like to offer?
I tried to understand what I have asked you from the Lord. I sensed the Lord, telling me this:
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, -1 Corinthians 13:9

I may not know how much I yielded. I believe it is for my good, that I may not think myself that I am something and deceive myself. That I should just examine my own work and bear my load.

I should just continue to sow in the Spirit and I will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
 
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