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[Newsboy1900]

lol i was just wondering why everyone on here picks xbox as the best system and its the least selling system of the three lol i suppose all the xbox buyers go here

 

[Heaven_Bound]

lol i was just wondering why everyone on here picks xbox as the best system and its the least selling system of the three lol i suppose all the xbox buyers go here

Lol, Well to answer your question I don't. I like the PS2 because of their games and overall system. But you are correct the XBox is the least selling system in sold units but they still make more profits off of their sold units than Nintendo. Why, because Nintendo has to drop their system prices down to $129.99 and pretty soon even lower just to compete because they do not have any games and the quality is not as good as the other 2 systems.

I used to be a major fan of Nintendo and then they sold out during the N64 days and lost the majority of their gaming contracts and still hurts them to this very day.

Name a good game on the Gamecube that is not out on the XBox or PS2.

 

[Newsboy1900]

Lol, Well to answer your question I don't. I like the PS2 because of their games and overall system. But you are correct the XBox is the least selling system in sold units but they still make more profits off of their sold units than Nintendo. Why, because Nintendo has to drop their system prices down to $129.99 and pretty soon even lower just to compete because they do not have any games and the quality is not as good as the other 2 systems.

I used to be a major fan of Nintendo and then they sold out during the N64 days and lost the majority of their gaming contracts and still hurts them to this very day.

Name a good game on the Gamecube that is not out on the XBox or PS2.

Link Metroid Prime Animal crossing RECV. soon to be resident evil 4 super mario sunshine Killer 7 see the thing is this ... nintendo dont let everyone put out games like ps2 etc does they never have they try to put out good games not trash games gamecubes are 99 and for a fact THE REASON XBOX Makes more cash is cuz there money mongers you gotta pay so much cash to do everything with an xbox its sad gamecube rocks -_- i have had all 3 systems and i have been back and forth and for a fact i prefer gamecube 1 cuz the grafs are way more smooth than other games dont believe me search up on gamecubes they have more smooth grafs probley cuz xbox people dont push the limits like others which im not saying that the gc is all mighty all im saying is i respect them way more than sony or microsoft and will support them because unlike them they are in it for more than the cash thats why they are pure games -_- i could complie a list of gamecube only games that rock because most gamecube games are GC only cuz there from nintendo and to be honest im glade they dont throw out a flag like sony does saying who ever wants to make games make them for the system i like them being picky helps me from wasting cash



-_- also i would like to add that nintendo dident sell out if it wasent for nintendo gaming wouldent be what it is today. so go out pay over priced cash for your machine but gamecube rocks. it has flaws but the games rock maybe you should take a look at the games gamecube has out and what they rate most of them have top rattings and if you want to check out your game mags like game informer etc have you ever noticed in the not all systems are created equal part of there reviews they say that the gamecube version is better because it smooths off stuff better than the xbox and ps2 the main complaint i have heard is this the mini dvds cost to much to put out sure but hey it makes people think twice before putting out **** games hence why we get more decent ones on GC lol but xbox is good if they will push the limits but they wont cuz there lazy


also your looking over the fact that GC can use gameboy games to it dont look like much but hey that tells me that if i want some killer RPGS there 1 sec away and i assure u there is tons of kick butt games on GAMEBOY that i still play and also pokemon coll is comming out or is out on gamecube and it owns GAMECUBE is more for familys and i respect it but it has some mature games

ok my rant is done

 

[Newsboy1900]

lol just for fun do this

tell me how much it costs to get
a new xbox
a kit to play dvds
1 month of service to play online with the xbox
1 or 2 new games
an extra controler

lol and tell me thats not over priced

 

[Newsboy1900]

ALSO forgot to add this to the GC only list

oh i forgot to mention V JOE one of the top selling games that is GC only by capcom


http://www.capcom.com/v-joe/

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Ok lets take a break and really listen to what your saying. Each system has its pros and cons and you did point some out to me, however, I had a gamecube and it does not have better graphics nor does it run smooth. Its like this if you went out and bought a better graphics card for your computer it is going to increase the graphics for the software your running. XBox has the best graphics and processor speed which says it has the best hardware, yes it is more expensive, hence you get what you pay for.

It's Ok to be pro gamecube but start backing your stuff up, you posted in another thread telling me that the hard drive for the PS2 can only be used for the final fantasy 11 game, where are you getting this info from, I hope its not nintendo power.

Every system has good games and bad games, but it depends on the targeted audience. I used to like Zelda but the play style changed and now I don't like it, bottom line that is my opinion.

And last but not least nintendo did sell out, they wanted to use a cartridge for the N64 and instead of them taking the extra cost on that cartridge they flat out told the developers that they had to purchase at least 100,000 units at a more expensive price than other consoles at the time. So this left a bad taste in many developers mouths and they left nintendo. Prime example Square Soft who sold the most RPG for nintendo at the time. Eventually the developers started going back to nintendo buying the over priced and over abundance amount of cartridges, but to only give the extra cost to the consumers who bought the games.

So are you still telling me Nintendo really cares for it customers?

 

[Newsboy1900]

Ok lets take a break and really listen to what your saying. Each system has its pros and cons and you did point some out to me, however, I had a gamecube and it does not have better graphics nor does it run smooth. Its like this if you went out and bought a better graphics card for your computer it is going to increase the graphics for the software your running. XBox has the best graphics and processor speed which says it has the best hardware, yes it is more expensive, hence you get what you pay for.

It's Ok to be pro gamecube but start backing your stuff up, you posted in another thread telling me that the hard drive for the PS2 can only be used for the final fantasy 11 game, where are you getting this info from, I hope its not nintendo power.

Every system has good games and bad games, but it depends on the targeted audience. I used to like Zelda but the play style changed and now I don't like it, bottom line that is my opinion.

And last but not least nintendo did sell out, they wanted to use a cartridge for the N64 and instead of them taking the extra cost on that cartridge they flat out told the developers that they had to purchase at least 100,000 units at a more expensive price than other consoles at the time. So this left a bad taste in many developers mouths and they left nintendo. Prime example Square Soft who sold the most RPG for nintendo at the time. Eventually the developers started going back to nintendo buying the over priced and over abundance amount of cartridges, but to only give the extra cost to the consumers who bought the games.

So are you still telling me Nintend really cares for it customers?

lol email sony and ask them what the hard drive is used for the ONLY hard drive ps2 is lauching is the ff one and it can only be used with the games search for it

as for the xbox lol Name 1 game they use the entire extent of the xbox card they dont its the same i can point out tons of sources mags etc that SHOW GC smooths stuff out better

also wanted to add final fantasy crys cron to the list of GC only games

GC does smooth out stuff in games more pick up a game informer or anthor mag that compares multi platform games and see what they say about grafs etc and what smooths out the best
just because the xbox has that dont mean the game runs much better cuz it dont maybe on a few FPS but thats really only what they are good for point is you dont know what they are using in the xbox sure they could put a 1 gig of ram and the top of the line proccessor in there but that DONT mean they are making games to utilize all of it point is there not look it up its all over the net no need in posting 10,000 links to support it cause the proof is all over the place name 1 xbox game that pushs its hardware to the max just 1.. because you cant

 

[Newsboy1900]

So are you still telling me Nintendo really cares for it customers?

Yes they do n64 had 0 load time it had alot of pros and cons but the fact is compared to mega money grubbers nintendo has done more for the gaming community than others and cares more about there customers

 

[Future Preacher]

XBOX is awesome

 

[Newsboy1900]

It's Ok to be pro gamecube but start backing your stuff up, you posted in another thread telling me that the hard drive for the PS2 can only be used for the final fantasy 11 game, where are you getting this info from, I hope its not nintendo power.

well seeing how i preorderd that hd i would know cause everyone at eletronics B told me so and gamestop and various websites sure there will be hack **** on the market to use it BUT SOny only is releasing it for use with final fantasy 11 so thats what its used for

 

[Newsboy1900]

all the hardrive does is save videogames like a bigger memory card and downloads data for final fantasy 11 thats all so your paying 100 bucks for a big memory card :/ you cant dl music u cant do anything else

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Ok Newsboy1900 you have your opinion and I have mine but I am not going to defend the PS2 or the XBox no more because I do not have too. So start playing Mario Cart and I will play Socom 2.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

all the hardrive does is save videogames like a bigger memory card and downloads data for final fantasy 11 thats all so your paying 100 bucks for a big memory card :/ you cant dl music u cant do anything else

and where are you getting this information from a source?

 

[Newsboy1900]

ok lets back it up

Now when you look at X-Box�s specs just about everything looks better, from RAM, MHz, and Memory Bus Bandwidth, it exceeds GameCube. You may say "wow! X-Box looks a lot more powerful than GameCube", but that�s where the line is drawn-it just looks better. X-Box has a lot of power that�s a given, but it�s nothing without control.

GameCube has hardware that�s a little dated when compared to X-Box, but that�s okay. GameCube�s one finely tweaked machine. The system architecture was designed to let the CPU/MPU, GPU, DSP, and RAM communicate, and interact with one another in total un-adulterated harmony.

GCN however, has the power where it counts. Here�s a good example�X-box has 64MB�s of shared DDR RAM, GameCube has 24MB�s of unified-standalone 1T-SRAM, along with 3MB�s on-chip, and a supplemental 16MB�s of SDRAM(AKA A-RAM("A" for Auxiliary)for a total of 43MB�s. But there�s a huge flaw with X-Box, DDR RAM is some of the slowest chunkiest RAM around. It�s double-data-rate, but that only boosts memory bus bandwidth (I'll get to that later). Now the designers at Nintendo knew that to get the maximum performance of the high-speed chipsets they�d need high speed RAM to boot. So with a call to MoSys Nintendo was able to get a deal to use the fastest RAM on the planet-MoSys 1T-SRAM. Calling it fast is a under statement. Its maximum latency has been clocked at only 10ns! The texture RAM has been clocked at half the speed 5ns! (Ns: Nanosecond 1-billionth of a second). This means that GCN will be able to stream textures in and out requiring less memory, and putting less strain on the CPU/GPU/MPU whose main job is to do calculations, and work with special Fx instead of crunching numbers.

Memory Bus Bandwidth(MBB). That�s how fast the RAM will be able to communicate with other parts of the system that use it. X-Box has a maximum of 6.4GB/s of it. GameCube has 3.2GB/s. But X-Box�s is shared. Shared you say? X-Box has 64MB�s of DDR RAM, and the developer can partion it for whatever they need. For a very simple example a developer can set aside 20MB�s as VRAM, 16 for sound, 20 for textures, 15 for animation, and 9 for the frame buffer(this is far simpler than what is actually done. Most developers will need over 20 portions). Now each of those portions will greedily take their share of the MBB, thus reducing transfer speeds to under 1GB/s (if your lucky). What does this mean to games? Well for the memory to be partioned the CPU�s going to need to manage each of those. So instead of working with AI, physics, and special effects the CPU crunching numbers. This can lead to slowdown, and since the developers can�t stream enough data in, and out quick enough more RAM will need to be used-taking away from textures, sound, animation, and the list goes on.

Polygons you say? Ahh yet another mercifully fought debate that has enraged for ages. Now lets go compare figures from both companies�

X-Box: 125M/sec
GameCube: 6 million to 12 million polygons/second (Display capability assuming actual game with complexity model, texture, etc.)
(I ripped these from the official sites)

Now note how on the official X-Box site there�s no disclaimer attached to it. It�s obviously the maximum performance rating which means absolutely nothing. It does not compensate for player interaction; the polygons are dull, flat shaded, similarly shaped, textureless, and no special effects engaged.

GameCube�s poly performance figures are noticeably low. But in typical Nintendo fashion Yamauchi wanted to keep the hype down, and made sure the poly performance wasn�t over the top. EA of Canada got they�re hands on some development kits, and in February this year they had announced performance figures of 22M/sec@60 FPS. Now cut the FPS rating in half, and you�ve doubled the poly count. And 30FPS, with 44M polygons on the screen that�s nothing short of awe inspiring.



btw you do know the GC can apply up to 8 textures without having to take another pass at the pixels (the Xbox can do 4). si despite what you think the GC can smooth stuff out better if you want i can break this down lol more

 

[Newsboy1900]

and where are you getting this information from a source?

goto google type what can the ps2 hardrive do u will get multi sites that says this

and come on back up your xbox comment to mine. up top

 

[Heaven_Bound]

goto google type what can the ps2 hardrive do u will get multi sites that says this

and come on back up your xbox comment to mine. up top

Well here is one, I do not know how accurate the source is though but I am sure it is.

http://www.playstationpro2.com/misc/ps2_online_faq6.html

4. If I don't want to wait for the official hard drive, can I just use any hard drive I have laying around and install it in my PS2?

I took a close look at my PS2 HDD, and it is very similar to regular IDE hard drives. However, you need the PS2 HDD drivers in order for your PS2 to recognize the hard drive. So don't bother trying to use a regluar hard drive. Also, there are only 3-5 PS2 games out in stores that actually support the PS2 HDD. Just because you have a HDD attached, does not mean that all your games will load faster. Just wait for the official drive to come out.

8. I see that SOCOM 2 supports the PS2 HDD. Will I be able to download new content?

Yes, you'll eventually be able to download new maps.

 

[Newsboy1900]

Well here is one, I do not know how accurate the source is though but I am sure it is.

http://www.playstationpro2.com/misc/ps2_online_faq6.html

4. If I don't want to wait for the official hard drive, can I just use any hard drive I have laying around and install it in my PS2?

I took a close look at my PS2 HDD, and it is very similar to regular IDE hard drives. However, you need the PS2 HDD drivers in order for your PS2 to recognize the hard drive. So don't bother trying to use a regluar hard drive. Also, there are only 3-5 PS2 games out in stores that actually support the PS2 HDD. Just because you have a HDD attached, does not mean that all your games will load faster. Just wait for the official drive to come out.

8. I see that SOCOM 2 supports the PS2 HDD. Will I be able to download new content?

Yes, you'll eventually be able to download new maps.

reply to the gamecube post LOL

also thats all the hd is for is a big memory card its not

 

[Heaven_Bound]

reply to the gamecube post LOL

also thats all the hd is for is a big memory card its not

The Gamecube post is just numbers to me if it faster and has better graphics for you than thats great. I bought the Gamecube for the Rougue Squadron series and I could tell a difference in choppier graphics. I am not putting down Nintendo, I grew up with the NES and SNES its just that times changed.

 

[Newsboy1900]

look at the screen shots for RE 4 lol show me 1 xbox game with that kind of grafs ps2 also

 

[CHR15T05]

........your paying 100 bucks for a big memory card :/ you cant dl music u cant do anything else

Erm.... yes you can.

Easier if you chip ur box (which basically turns the thing into a PC, letting you play MP3, DivX, MPG, etc etc file share etc etc....)

But even without chipping, using that stupid Kareoke Program I think it is, you can copy Music direct from a PC, using the ethernet port, and play it on Xbox. Of course you can also copy ANY music CD to the Xbox and use it like a duke box and that's without any extra software.

That's all I'm saying. Im not going to enter into the "which consol is better" thing because I dont care. I have an xbox. My brother in law has a Game Cube, and variouse mates have PS2's...and we all still love each other and live in peace and harmoney without the need to argue about polygons per second over dinner.