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WW2 and other 'Wars for Democracy'

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"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne

Contrary to popular opinion (and propoganda), the USA was the largest offending government in the Allies (if not the whole war). Keep in mind that much of the US doctrines, such as population warfare and economic militarization, were adopted (before or after) by all allied states. Switzerland, between 3 warring factions, did not do this and maintained integrity throughout, proving that in war as in peace, freedom is the answer.

During the 19th and early 20th century, a number of militaristic, nationalistic and anti-capitalist ideologies became prominant in major 'nation-states'. These movements combined antagonisms created by democratic-majority governments and political domination and the emiseration, both created and worsened by the State and its interventionist-socialist policies. Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler are the most famous ones of these, Hitler often getting the top billing despite coming in far behind Stalin (especially in the area of killing his own people). Invariably the military threat of these States was exagerrated, through ignorane of economics and often sheer propoganda. But for a while, in those places that had been free, the seizure of the fruits of capitalism provided socialism with the weapons to carry on war that no State had ever had, while the gradual (sometimes) disarmament and disinfranchisement of property owners insured that there were none who could resist. The seizure of education and media provided indoctrination which was even more effective in preventing resistance, for it turned enemies of the State into men who both feared and suspected those who had been their friends, and convinced men to enslave and kill their neighbours for principles which were never even clearly stated or explained by their highest executors and advocates. Only one thing remained constant: robbery, slavery, destruction.

A highly similar situation occured in the United States where , where the New Deal essentially dressed up the doctrines of the Fascist Police State in the classical liberal conservative style of the US. Like the Fuehrer, it was precipitated by the 'War to End All Wars', the child of 'Democracy'. Nationalization of Industry was 'saving capitalism' and militarization of society was 'defending liberty'. The consistent train of abuses in this case had a clear aim, the expansion of government power through a combination of rigorous economic interference, social engineering ( in propoganda in the schools). Essentially provoking an attack by Japan, the FDR Clique managed to gain entry into the European war and achieve total control of the country's economic resources and recognized powers of forced labour and military service, the seizure of all property and its conversion to foreign aggression. The population warfare and economic destruction, which was in fact militarily ineffective, managed to burn 30,000 civilians to death in one night in Dresden. And, much like the unmentioned bombs in Bosnia, that's only the tip of the ice burg. If the allies were less brutal, they were less desperate and their soldiers born into a freer world with some character of individual mental freedom. The USA and Canada being essentially impervious to attack and England controlling much of the Navy, while Germany was between the Hammer of the West and the Anvil of the East. The USSR was far more brutal, to both it's own and enemy populations, despite being virtually assured military victory by the United State's entry into the war and the repelation of Germany from the Russian lands.

None of these are questionable statements, and are based on commonly available documentation, including memoirs of Roosevelt's associates, and in the words of the Allies' highest commanders.

Take for example, Robert Macnamara quoted Curtis LeMay (general commander of the US' population warfare air doctrines)"LeMay said if we lost the war that we would have all been prosecuted as war criminals. And I think he's right. ...and I'd say I...we're behaving as war criminals."

"Support our troops?" say even those opposed to the State's wars. I say that I disavow my association with any such body of men, for no number of indoctrinated thugs and corrupted human beings will ever be the equal of one fine man. "Our" troops are the ones who blame people for protecting their property from men with guns and bombs who kill their families, "our" troops are taught that violence is the keystone to society while being taught that dissent, disobendiance and individuality are dangerous, and to be punished. If "our" troops deserved my support, they would dissolve themselves and rob the State of its violent arm, but like all bureacrats even the best among them is a gangster's secratary.

Whenever considering somebody that 'ought' to be taken out, remember that is the confiscation of property and liberty for the purposes of conducting a war, a from a person who (by definition) does not agree with its use for that war. It involves the murder of foreign men and women who often have less desire to fight you than you do them, yet are desperately pressed by the rich nations of European civilization and the governments which have confiscated capitalism's boon and turned it into the greatest enemy of civilization which has ever existed. War and socialism are merely two sides of the same coin, and the coin of government is called Power. Free men trade happiness, governments trade suffering, and to EVER support the expansion of that suffering is to deny the primacy of liberty's principles and to ignore the teachings of economics. The cure of tyranny is liberty, the cure of war is peace, and no government is preservative or well-disposed to either of these, for if it were it would have no choice but abdication and self-termination.

'National unity' and the war-excuse allowed Roosevelt and his cronies to silence opposition, even imprison them, in a way that exceeded any American dictatorship since Abraham Lincoln. Like Germany and France, we have recovered from tyrant after tyrant, but each is another hammer blow against the foundations of civilization, every regulation and expansion, every new cop car a chisel driven in for the next blow to drive. Those pillars are strong, but they are in bad need of repair.

Let the friends of freedom in all the world protect their liberty and their property, and let all war be renounced. Let trade and peace be the answer, so our peoples depend upon one another and mutually antagonize against their governments. Keep us all wealthy, healthy and armed. And all the while the foes of liberty will whither in their man-made Hells, while we grow stronger, Should the armies of some would-be conquerer comes to our homes they will find a man with a rifle behind every blade of grass.
 

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There's an old American saying. "The victors write the history books."

If the Germans won, we'd all probably have had our population reduced.
The fact that a German invasion of the US was considered possible from a socialist government displays the absurd lengths those history books have been distorted to protect the reputation of the real victors: the US Federal Government.
 
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The fact that a German invasion of the US was considered possible from a socialist government displays the absurd lengths those history books have been distorted to protect the reputation of the real victors: the US Federal Government.

Have you ever read anything about WW2? Japan attacked us, we declared war on Japan and because we declared war on Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on us.
 
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Have you ever read anything about WW2? Japan attacked us, we declared war on Japan and because we declared war on Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on us.
The Japanese government attacked the US Government after repeated threats, insinuations and political demands which no government (including the US) could possibly accede while maintaining power. A fight between rival gangsters which trapped millions of Japanese and Americans in the crossfire.
The fact that FDR provoked the war, and the attack, is practically public record like so much that falls out of the 'memory hole' of government schooling and related Statist propoganda.

FDR, the New Deal and WW2
http://www.liberty-page.com/cliches/depression.html
http://www.rooseveltmyth.com/docs/The_Revolution_Was.html
 
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Are you seriously talking to me about the New Deal programs? I'M A CAPITALIST, I oppose the new deal programs with a passion.
The New Deal and WW2 were intimately involved, furthermore there are a number of links on that page that deal with Roosevelt's actions leading up to and during the war, demonstrating it was an intentionally provoked and long-expected war so that the Anglophile Roosevelt could squander American lives and wealth to the utter ruination of Europe.

As a simple point: The Nazis couldn't even get across the English channel.
 
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Despite atrocities committed by allied forces, as well as German, Soviet, and Japanese forces, the II. World War was basically a struggle to defeat dictatorial fascist regimes and promote Democracy.

At least this was accomplished in Western Germany and Japan. It was not accomplished in Soviet dominated countries after the war.

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The Japanese government attacked the US Government after repeated threats, insinuations and political demands which no government (including the US) could possibly accede while maintaining power. A fight between rival gangsters which trapped millions of Japanese and Americans in the crossfire.
The fact that FDR provoked the war, and the attack, is practically public record like so much that falls out of the 'memory hole' of government schooling and related Statist propoganda.

This is patently BS. The Japanese invaded China in 1931 and killed thousands. Read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang. The United States was not obligated to supply Japan with the means to continue that carnage in the form of petroleum and other materials of war despite the Japanese whining that we should have. Japan's goal was the conquest of those parts of Asia that they needed and they were brutal about it. Ask the Filipinos, Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, et al.

FDR, recognizing the threat Hitler was, wanted a way to get involved in Europe. The fact is that Germany and Italy were not bound by treaty to enter the war after the Pearl Harbor attack. They would have been in the event that Japan had been attacked. When Germany invaded Russia, the Japanese did not declare war on Russia. Hitler's decision to declare war on us sealed the fate of his Third Reich.

Why would FDR want the bulk of the U. S. Pacific fleet destroyed? To get us into a war with Germany? That Japanese attack, as I have pointed out, did not mean we would fight in Europe.
 
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