Would you vote for a Mormon...

A New Dawn · Jan 23, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
I prefer a monarchy with Christ as the king. Hopefully soon.

Yes, that would be a better option, but we can't vote that in.

Osage Bluestem · Jan 23, 2012

A New Dawn said:
Yes, that would be a better option, but we can't vote that in.

If we really don't like either candidate then why should we vote at all? It's all a temporary mess anyway. How can there be utopia in this fallen world?

Apologetic_Warrior · Jan 23, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
If we really don't like either candidate then why should we vote at all? It's all a temporary mess anyway. How can there be utopia in this fallen world?

Reads like subliminal workings of Dispensationalism (doom & gloom) vs Postmillennialism (hope)... interesting how our views effect our outlook.

Osage Bluestem · Jan 23, 2012

Apologetic_Warrior said:
Reads like subliminal workings of Dispensationalism (doom & gloom) vs Postmillennialism (hope)... interesting how our views effect our outlook.

Postmilennialism is obviously incorrect due to declining Christianity and increasing brutality. Dispensationalism is the plain reading of scripture and also has the fulfilled prophecy of national Israel to demonstrate.

There is much optimism in the fact that Christ will destroy evil in the end and we will live with him forever.

cajunhillbilly · Jan 23, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
Postmilennialism is obviously incorrect due to declining Christianity and increasing brutality. Dispensationalism is the plain reading of scripture and also has the fulfilled prophecy of national Israel to demonstrate.

There is much optimism in the fact that Christ will destroy evil in the end and we will live with him forever.

Christianity has been in decline in the past and God has sent renewal and revival. Also, if you look at the 3rd World countries you will actually see an increase in the Church not a decrease. Take the long view of the past 2000 years and you will see the Gospel advancing through the world and winning victories. The current state of things does not determine whether we have a pessimistic or optimistic view. I am not postmil myself but do believe God could still send renewal and revival. If I am anything it is optimistic amil.

Anoetos · Jan 23, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
Postmilennialism is obviously incorrect due to declining Christianity and increasing brutality. Dispensationalism is the plain reading of scripture and also has the fulfilled prophecy of national Israel to demonstrate.

There is much optimism in the fact that Christ will destroy evil in the end and we will live with him forever.

1. Christianity is far from declining. It is estimated that it's center is shifting to Asia. Check there for astonishing growth. Africa as well.

2. While you're there, tell them they're going to be "raptured before the tribulation". They'll laugh at you and ask you why they're still there, they've been having tribulation for generations.

No, Dispensationalism is a lie that only sells in the comfortable, complacent west where Christians feel guilty about their luxury.

cajunhillbilly · Jan 24, 2012

Anoetos said:
1. Christianity is far from declining. It is estimated that it's center is shifting to Asia. Check there for astonishing growth. Africa as well.

2. While you're there, tell them they're going to be "raptured before the tribulation". They'll laugh at you and ask you why they're still there, they've been having tribulation for generations.

No, Dispensationalism is a lie that only sells in the comfortable, complacent west where Christians feel guilty about their luxury.

Except in the USA, the predominant view is amillenialism.

B-74 · Jan 24, 2012

6 MILLION Muslims CONVERT to CHRISTIANITY Every Year - YouTube

Thousands of Muslims Convert to Christianity in Iraq!!! - YouTube

B-74 · Jan 24, 2012

I found it interesting in that one video how they compared the church in Iraq with the church during the time of the apostle Paul. Muslims having dreams and visions of Christ and converting to Christianity, and Muslims being persecuted.

Osage Bluestem · Jan 24, 2012

trailortroll said:
I found it interesting in that one video how they compared the church in Iraq with the church during the time of the apostle Paul. Muslims having dreams and visions of Christ and converting to Christianity, and Muslims being persecuted.

Wow. Those were very encouraging videos. Thanks for posting them.

jpcedotal · Jan 24, 2012

Ole Scratch has been trying to make Christ irrelevant for centuries and he is stronger than any human movement.

Christianity is forever...

drjean · Jan 24, 2012

can't keep up with the thread...how'd we go from a Mormon to millenialism? Anyway, amillenialism has been the generally held view in all of Christian History. I however veer from the Presbyterian leaders and go premillenialism. I think it's because, at it's roots Presbyterianism didn't study eschatology in depth (even the study of Revelation) because they felt it was all figurative. Now that there are so many prophecies that have come to light (literally and figuratively) I think the study of end times has increased...as well as the understanding.

I would hope that the language of views towards dispensationalism would be toned down, for surely it isn't a "lie". It's ok to not believe as others, but that won't mean you're right (nor that they are wrong or believing a lie.) It could just as easily turn on your viewpoint. Plus... for me, I have no guilt whatsoever, especially about God's blessings upon me and my life! Coram deo!

Osage Bluestem · Jan 24, 2012

drjean said:
can't keep up with the thread...how'd we go from a Mormon to millenialism? Anyway, amillenialism has been the generally held view in all of Christian History. I however veer from the Presbyterian leaders and go premillenialism. I think it's because, at it's roots Presbyterianism didn't study eschatology in depth (even the study of Revelation) because they felt it was all figurative. Now that there are so many prophecies that have come to light (literally and figuratively) I think the study of end times has increased...as well as the understanding.

I would hope that the language of views towards dispensationalism would be toned down, for surely it isn't a "lie". It's ok to not believe as others, but that won't mean you're right (nor that they are wrong or believing a lie.) It could just as easily turn on your viewpoint. Plus... for me, I have no guilt whatsoever, especially about God's blessings upon me and my life! Coram deo!

By post 152 things tend to be a bit out of whack. lol

But that's fine with me. I like conversation. I respect that it builds and allow it to lead down whatever corridor it may in my threads.

The way we got here was based on who holds a pessimistic outlook for the future verses an optimistic one and how if at all that will determine one's perception of his need to vote for one useless candidate or another.

Postmillenialists are very optimistic in their outlook for the future of the earth pre-return. Others aren't....etc

Either way, I'm not voting for a Mormon.

JustAsIam77 · Jan 24, 2012

I voted for a Mormon today, (early voting in the Republican primary in Florida). I watched the debate last night as I was on the fence between Newt and Romney, Newts eyes were shifting back and forth all over the place waiting for an ovation from the audience on his speaking points but the rules prohibited any audience participation, when he didn't get the accolades he had in South Carolina he seemed to be deflated. All I know is Obama MUST be defeated THIS election, otherwise Obamacare will take effect and will never be repealed. It was a tossup for me but I went with who I think can defeat Obama in the general election.

Faith.Man · Jan 27, 2012

Yes, a Mormon looks good compared to what we have now. But Romney is not my first choice.

twin1954 · Jan 28, 2012

I am almost ready to vote for Mr. Obama just to stick it to the establishment Republicans. We need to start a grassroots movement of voting them all out. I am about to send my Senator, Mitch McConnell, a letter telling him that his day is over. He has been there far too long and we need to impose a forced term limit on any who have been there over 2 terms. I am sick of the establishment attacks on whoever is gaining against Romney. It is time to revolt against those who would guard their power at the expense of the people in either party. Let the establishment know that their time is limited.

AndOne · Jan 28, 2012

Twin1954 hit the nail on the head for me. I'm so disgusted with the republican party right now its not funny. I voted for Newt in the primary - but seriously - he isn't the man he was nearly 20 years ago. I just don't see any true leaders rising up in the Republican party and I think they need to clean house.

For the actual election I'm probably not even going to vote at all. This country is in deep trouble, folks.

drjean · Jan 28, 2012

May I be so bold to caution all of us to mind our attitudes in this election? To vote one way out of spite, or to give up and not vote in futility won't be doing God's will imo.

Don't doubt in the dark what you know to be true in the light. Everyone needs to exercise their right to vote, or we will lose it. With 49% of all Americans receiving some type of government payout, they are less likely to vote Mr Obama out of office for fear of losing those benefits (also not a good way to vote.)

We only have the choices we are given...but we can also write in a name...though that will surely allow the incumbent to win as well. Only 1 in 4 Christians are registered to vote to begin with... and then if those of us who are registered become frustrated over the process and don't vote, what does that say about our belief in God?

I don't have all the answers, and sometimes I have very few, especially when it comes to the frustrations that can arise with politics. What I do have is the knowledge that God wants us to vote. Pray, and let Him use our votes for the person we need (and not the person we deserve according to our apathy or negative thinking and acting.)

Be well. Pray.

AndOne · Jan 28, 2012

Was considering voting for Obama - but I can't in good conscious vote for a baby killer or a man who supports gay marriage.

I could never in good conscious vote for a mormon.

Soooo - if Romney wins the primary - I'm not voting....

nobdysfool · Jan 28, 2012

twin1954 said:
I am almost ready to vote for Mr. Obama just to stick it to the establishment Republicans. We need to start a grassroots movement of voting them all out. I am about to send my Senator, Mitch McConnell, a letter telling him that his day is over. He has been there far too long and we need to impose a forced term limit on any who have been there over 2 terms. I am sick of the establishment attacks on whoever is gaining against Romney. It is time to revolt against those who would guard their power at the expense of the people in either party. Let the establishment know that their time is limited.

In my opinion, that would be like shooting your toe off because you have a hangnail, or an ingrown toenail. How in the world could a Christian, who knows the Word, vote for a man like Obama? And before you say it, yes, I know there are a lot who have and who will, but I do not think that they have a clue as to how to discern God's Will, or even have the reasoning ability to think about what they are doing. We have seen that many Evangelicals react with their emotions, and make decisions based on emotions. I don't think that can even be debated. Their theology certainly has a large emotional component.

I'm not happy with the current crop of Republicans. The best ones either didn't run, dropped out early, or stayed out for personal reasons. Romney, is bad news, as far as I can see. Newt has flaws, but he may be the best we have. Santorum just doesn't inspire or get people moving, although he has some good things to say. Paul is a nutjob, IMHO, and God knows, we don't need a nutjob at a time like this. Slim pickin's is what we have, and I don't mean the actor.

It is an absolute truth that not voting is a default vote for Obama. Writing in a name is also in essence a vote for Obama. The only hope we have is to vote for whoever the Republican nominee is, holding your nose if you have to, if for no other reason that to NOT give an easy victory to Obama. We simply cannot afford 4 more years of the muslim-in-chief. But we can petition God and pray that He gives us the best one, and pray that that one is not Romney.

If you don't vote at all, you have no right to complain about what we get. No right at all.

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