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As being a firm believer in Christ. I wanted to see the movie "Noah" but then I found out it was made by an atheist. Now should I go and see it, putting money in the hand of an atheist? or should I boycott it like Glenn Beck asked us too?

Not to be rude, but would like answers from other believerss.
 

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You have a problem supporting the creative work of an atheist but are proudly considering supporting an idiot instead?

And you've only accomplished making yourself look rude. Which I'm sure you don't give a crap about. ...Yes, he, as a Christian, appears to have a bit of a problem supporting a movie with a Biblical subject that's been made by atheists. Kind of like how you, an atheist, would be, in the very least, skepitcal of Christians making a film with an atheistic subject.


No, I won't see the movie, and for several reasons:

A) I think it looks stupid like most other American films.
B) Made by atheists
C) Russell Crowe
D) It'll lack in Biblical accuracy like almost all other Biblical films.
E) I'm tired of spending 10 bucks a pop on movies.
 
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And you've only accomplished making yourself look rude. Which I'm sure you don't give a crap about. ...Yes, he, as a Christian, appears to have a bit of a problem supporting a movie with a Biblical subject that's been made by atheists. Kind of like how you, an atheist, would be, in the very least, skepitcal of Christians making a film with an atheistic subject.


I am not so small-minded to judge a work by what its creator may or may not believe. I judge it by the creator's competency both in the past and in the finished product.

Considering Noah's director Aronofsky has made some of the best films in the past two decades (Pi, Black Swan, The Wrestler, Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain), I find it stupid to refuse to watch his latest work because you'd rather support to antics of an avowed idiot. Besides, it wouldn't even make sense. Beck is a Mormon. You'd think his followers (most being biblical literalists) would take as much issue with his beliefs as they do with Aronofsky.^_^

 
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Why do you suppose that someone who is a believer would be an 'avowed idiot' or that she would watch a movie only made by idiots? She's a fan and avid follower of the greatest classics of all time so I think she would know a thing or two about what makes a good movie.

As for the whole atheist thing, I've watched many movies made by atheists. That's not the problem. Nor is it a hit on Aronfsky as a director. Would you want someone to make a movie about something you were passionate about, but he clearly was not and was just in it for the money?

Like Michael Bay remaking Ninja Turtles. Many people are upset because they are passionate about their favorite childhood past time being ruined. As a Christian, I would want someone to make a biblical movie who is passionate about keeping the integrity of the story together. Whether or not you believe it is a myth, the story is an important part of our faith and when an atheist makes a movie based upon something we're passionate about, messes the story up only to make a few bucks, well that's capitalism and he's entitled to it, but sorry if we're not going to support such a thing.
 
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Why do you suppose that someone who is a believer would be an 'avowed idiot' or that she would watch a movie only made by idiots? She's a fan and avid follower of the greatest classics of all time so I think she would know a thing or two about what makes a good movie.
The avowed idiot comment was directed at Beck. He himself, when criticized, has claimed he's just a 'comedian' and silly idiot in his defense.

As for the whole atheist thing, I've watched many movies made by atheists. That's not the problem. Nor is it a hit on Aronfsky as a director. Would you want someone to make a movie about something you were passionate about, but he clearly was not and was just in it for the money?
No, but considering how little money is to be made in Bible films (if you're an already acclaimed director) because of rampant believer-fanboyism, the accusation that Aronsky is just doing it for the money is a strange one.

Besides, its not like he's a stranger to Biblical inspiration. Both Pi and The Wrestler were pretty obvious with their origins. The Wrestler in particular was brilliant because of how Aronofsky used Passion symbolism and adapted it for the modern age.
 
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If you ask me, bible movies and family-centered movies make a lot of money. It's the highest demographic in the country. Why would an atheist want to make a movie on a subject he cares nothing about? It's not even like making a movie about Thor. I can only imagine he thought, "Wow, what Christian wouldn't want to see an action-packed thriller about Noah?" and then the potential controversy only to drive up revenue.

So I reckon in his mind, he's making another Gladiator, Thor, Hercules, etc. Except most Christians believe Noah was a real person and the flood a real event and when you take creative license with something we believe strongly in, well, we're not going to like it. Try making an inaccurate movie about the life of Mohammed and selling it to Muslims and see what happens.
 
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If you ask me, bible movies and family-centered movies make a lot of money. It's the highest demographic in the country.
Can you think of a single big budget bible-based movie by an acclaimed director that wasn't attacked by fervent Christians? Or even one that made oodles of money?

Why would an atheist want to make a movie on a subject he cares nothing about?
He cares about the symbolism and stories as evidenced by his entire filmography.

So I reckon in his mind, he's making another Gladiator, Thor, Hercules, etc. Except most Christians believe Noah was a real person and the flood a real event and when you take creative license with something we believe strongly in, well, we're not going to like it.
Ah, so you're a mind reader now? Interesting...not to mention wrong. Both Pi and The Wrestler were critical darlings but only modest box office successes.

Try making an inaccurate movie about the life of Mohammed and selling it to Muslims and see what happens.
Well, I didn't want to compare Christians boycotting the movie to fanatical Muslims but...I can't say I disagree lol.

Let's be honest here, the people boycotting Noah are no different than those who took issue with Ben Hur, and if released today, would sooner burn copies of the Divine Comedy rather than suffer the blasphemies that lay within ever going near their eyes.
 
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Passion of the Christ made a ton of money. I don't know if it was attacked very hard or not as most Christians I know (including me) own the movie and we watch it every year around Easter at church. It made half a billion dollars.

I actually enjoyed The Wrestler. As a wrestling fan, it was good to see the other side of the apron. Did he take creative license with that or was it mostly accurate? He's taking a story that most of us believe is true and changing it around to something unbiblical. It's different.
 
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I am not so small-minded to judge a work by what its creator may or may not believe. I judge it by the creator's competency both in the past and in the finished product.

Considering Noah's director Aronofsky has made some of the best films in the past two decades (Pi, Black Swan, The Wrestler, Requiem for a Dream, The Fountain), I find it stupid to refuse to watch his latest work because you'd rather support to antics of an avowed idiot. Besides, it wouldn't even make sense. Beck is a Mormon. You'd think his followers (most being biblical literalists) would take as much issue with his beliefs as they do with Aronofsky.^_^

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ChildOfTheLight didn't exactly say he's supporting Beck's suggestion that Christians boycott the film. In fact he seems a little on the fence about it, hence his 'asking' for advice and other personal input on the issue. Get it right.

You might be flippant with your lack of spiritual belief, but Christians take their faith seriously, and it matters to us if a film with a Biblical subject is being made and the makers of the film happen to be atheists. That poses a problem to us. Now, do I personally think we should all go boycott the film? I don't know. This is the first time I've heard about it. But again, it is something we Christians take seriously. And regardless of how idiotic you find Glenn Beck and the refusal of seeing this film due to its atheist makers, ChildOfTheLight (or any Christian on here) does not deserve your disrespect about it. He deserves for you to give him a straight and respectful answer.
 
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Passion of the Christ made a ton of money. I don't know if it was attacked very hard or not as most Christians I know (including me) own the movie and we watch it every year around Easter at church. It made half a billion dollars.
It was also made by a disgraced director who would likely never get the opportunities he used to get in Hollywood again. Simply, he had nothing to lose so he poured his own money and time in a long-shot. Plus, Gibson's PR people were also careful in courting different self-appointed Christian leaders whose blessing is a must for Christian-aimed movies to succeed (something no acclaimed self-respecting director ever does).

Aronofsky, coming off of the success of Black Swan, has a lot to lose both from general audiences, and even reactionary nonreligious who may believe the film religious pandering.

A better comparison is Martin Scorsese with his Last Temptation of Christ. Despite Scorsese being a Catholic, the religious outcry was such that it saw Christians firebombing theaters.

I actually enjoyed The Wrestler. As a wrestling fan, it was good to see the other side of the apron. Did he take creative license with that or was it mostly accurate? He's taking a story that most of us believe is true and changing it around to something unbiblical. It's different.
He had the protagonist of The Wrestler do several Christlike poses, having crosses in scenes with close ups, and more-or-less parrel the Passion plot and important characters. He was setting him up as the modern Jesus with the sacrifice made in the name of mass entertainment rather than universal salvation.

If you had no problem with that film taking important story elements from the story of your saviour to make a point, then why should you take issue when he uses the same technique to a lesser extent on a vaguer, less detailed, less important character in the Bible (whose message and themes are unknown to us as neither of us has watched the film)?
 
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Well I honestly never caught any religious symbolism in the movie. I rarely ever do catch symbolism.

Unfortunately I do.. : (

Thanks Isambard, I have a few movie suggestions I can rent on Amazon today.
 
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I'll probably go see it just because it looks pretty cool. I am not wanting to watch it for Biblical accuracy, so why should I care who makes it?

Honestly, it looks pretty lame to me. Although I have been seriously mistaken before..

It's just.. there are so many interesting stories from the Bible and he chooses Noah's flood.. eh..
 
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Honestly, it looks pretty lame to me. Although I have been seriously mistaken before..

It's just.. there are so many interesting stories from the Bible and he chooses Noah's flood.. eh..

When it was first announced, I too thought it'd be lame. I always considered Noah's Flood kinda meh. Then I saw Take Shelter, a indie modern retelling of Noah's Flood starring Micheal Shannon and man was that a great film.
 
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