Would you prefer it if “Christian universalism” were true?

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

MMXX said:
Ah yes the ol you're going to hell for not believing in hell edict.

No one goes to Hell for not believing in Hell.

Those in Hell are there because they consciously rejected Jesus Christ.

Servus · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Right. That makes as much sense as Jesus needing to die to save us from God.
Jesus says:

Luke 12:57 NIV
“Why don’t you judge for yourselves what
is right?

God having to die to save us from God?

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

MMXX said:
God having to die to save us from God?

God died to save us TO God -- not FROM God.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

As Adam Clarke puts it:

To manifest now, by the dispensation of the Gospel, his righteousness, his infinite mercy; and to manifest it in such a way, that he might still appear to be the just God, and yet the justifier, the pardoner, of him who believeth in Jesus. Here we learn that God designed to give the most evident displays both of his justice and mercy. Of his justice, in requiring a sacrifice, and absolutely refusing to give salvation to a lost world in any other way; and of his mercy, in providing THE sacrifice which his justice required. Thus, because Jesus was an atonement, a ransom price, for the sin of the world, therefore God can, consistently with his justice, pardon every soul that believeth in Jesus. This is the full discovery of God's righteousness, of his wonderful method of magnifying his law and making it honourable; of showing the infinite purity of his justice, and of saving a lost world.

Servus · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
No one goes to Hell for not believing in Hell.

Those in Hell are there because they consciously rejected Jesus Christ.

I must have misunderstood what you were getting at.

Saint Steven · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

"Translation: I was born ignorant, I will die ignorant." - AV1611VET

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
"Translation: I was born ignorant, I will die ignorant." - AV1611VET

You betcha!

How about you?

Saint Steven · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Those in Hell are there because they consciously rejected Jesus Christ.

What about the countless billions that have never so much as heard of Christ?
They obviously fall outside your assessment.

Servus · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
What about the countless billions that have never so much as heard of Christ?

I remember an atheist once saying to me, "so you just happened to be born in the right time and place to hear all about Jesus. How convenient for you."

Saint Steven · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
You betcha!

How about you?

There's a cure for ignorance. But stupid is permanent.

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
What about the countless billions that have never so much as heard of Christ?

I believe God gives them an ability to see Him in nature that others don't necessarily have.

Call it a "sixth sense," if you want.

David puts it well:

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

You do know the Plan of Salvation is in the stars, do you not?

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

MMXX said:
I remember an atheist once saying to me, "so you just happened to be born in the right time and place to hear all about Jesus. How convenient for you."

And, of course, you told him about the Protevangelium, didn't you?

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
There's a cure for ignorance. But stupid is permanent.

Well, Mr Omniscient, tell us about this cure.

Or are you ignorant as well?

Saint Steven · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
I believe God gives them an ability to see Him in nature that others don't necessarily have.

Call it a "sixth sense," if you want.

David puts it well:

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

You do know the Plan of Salvation is in the stars, do you not?

Another evangelical fallacy.
There is no plan of salvation in the physical creation. No Jesus to receive or reject. So much for that theory.

AV1611VET said:
Those in Hell are there because they consciously rejected Jesus Christ.

Saint Steven · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Well, Mr Omniscient, tell us about this cure.

Or are you ignorant as well?

I gave you a link. Do you know how to click it?

AV1611VET · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
I gave you a link.

You did?

Servus · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
And, of course, you told him about the Protevangelium, didn't you?

Very impressive. I imagine you've come across lots of fancy words during all your time here. He probably knew more theology than most Christians.

Servus · Jul 4, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Another evangelical fallacy.
There is no plan of salvation in the physical creation. No Jesus to receive or reject. So much for that theory.

Nonsense. I received the gospel from a daffodil.

Servus · Jul 4, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Yup.

Enough "food" for everyone who ever lived, and probably more.

Just come and get it -- or you'll starve to death.

Those at the Marriage Supper will be there because they got under the umbrella of God's salvation on their own free will.

No one is going to be dragged to the table.

Christian universalism doesn't teach that. One can spend as much time as they want (or need) staying outside the always open gates of heaven.

RickReads · Jul 5, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Bible versus Bible, who wins?
What do we do with the contradictions?

How about we start by finding out if the problem is really the Bible rather than our own understanding.

Answering Bible Difficulties

RickReads · Jul 5, 2021

Saint Steven said:
There's a cure for ignorance. But stupid is permanent.

That really helps your cause. Insult and maybe he`ll go away.

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