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<blockquote data-quote="Rene Loup" data-source="post: 76705945" data-attributes="member: 427478"><p><em>"Another remarkable and unexpected symptom of national decline is the intensification of internal political hatreds. One would have expected that, when the survival of the nation became precarious, political factions would drop their rivalry and stand shoulder-to-shoulder to save their country. In the fourteenth century, the weakening empire of Byzantium was threatened, and indeed dominated, by the Ottoman Turks. The situation was so serious that one would have expected every subject of Byzantium to abandon his personal interests and to stand with his compatriots in a last desperate attempt to save the country. The reverse occurred. The Byzantines spent the last fifty years of their history in fighting one another in repeated civil wars, until the Ottomans moved in and administered the coup de grâce.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Britain has been governed by an elected parliament for many centuries. In former years, however, the rival parties observed many unwritten laws. Neither party wished to eliminate the other. All the members referred to one another as honourable gentlemen. But such courtesies have now lapsed. Booing, shouting and loud noises have undermined the dignity of the House, and angry exchanges are more frequent. We are fortunate if these rivalries are fought out in Parliament, but sometimes such hatreds are carried into the streets, or into industry in the form of strikes, demonstrations, boycotts and similar activities. True to the normal course followed by nations in decline, internal differences are not reconciled in an attempt to save the nation. On the contrary, internal rivalries become more acute, as the nation becomes weaker."</em></p><p><strong>~<a href="http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf" target="_blank">The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival</a>, by <a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Bagot-Glubb" target="_blank">Sir John Bagot Glubb</a> - XXI Civil dissensions, pg. 12-13.<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecc.+1%3A9&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank"> </a></strong></p><p></p><p>Can we handle any more political drama (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecc.+1%3A9&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank">Ecc. 1:9</a>)?</p><p></p><p>We need Christ-like leaders using rhetoric leading to reform, not entertainers<span style="font-size: 10px">[1]</span> creating further division (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11%3A17-18%2C+Mark+3%3A24-26%2C+Matt.+12%3A25-26%2C+2+Pet.+2%3A17-22%2C+2+Tim.+4%3A1-5&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank">Luke 11:17-18, Mark 3:24-26, Matt. 12:25-26, 2 Pet. 2:17-22, 2 Tim. 4:1-5</a>). <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.+1%2C+Mark+1%2C+Luke+1%2C+John+1&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank">The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John</a> record the Lord Jesus Christ leading by example. Before anyone mentions Him using insults like 'dogs' (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.+7%3A6%2C+2+Pet.+2%3A17-22%2C+Prov.+26%3A11&version=KJV,NKJV,NIV,ICB" target="_blank">Matt. 7:6, 2 Pet. 2:17-22, Prov. 26:11</a>) and 'snakes' (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.+3%3A1%2C+John+8%3A44%2C+Matt.+12%3A33-37%2C+23%3A1-39%2C+Rev.+12%3A9&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank">Gen. 3:1, John 8:44, Matt. 12:33-37, 23:1-39, Rev. 12:9</a>), these have Biblically symbolic meanings. Are we the world (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+2%3A15-17%2C+John+15%3A18-16%3A4%2C+17%3A14-15%2C+Rom.+12%3A2&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank">1 John 2:15-17, John 15:18-16:4, 17:14-15, Rom. 12:2</a>)? Why and how?</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps.+146&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank"><strong>~Psalm 146 (NIV)</strong></a></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Tim.+3&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank"><strong>~2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV)</strong></a></p><p></p><p>Whom are we going to choose to serve this day (<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Josh.+24%3A15%2C+Luke+16%3A1-15%2C+Matt.+6%3A19-34&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB" target="_blank">Josh. 24:15, Luke 16:1-15, Matt. 6:19-34</a>)? Why?</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><a href="http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf" target="_blank">The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival (1976)</a> - <a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Bagot-Glubb" target="_blank">Sir John Bagot Glubb</a> - XXIII Frivolity (pg. 14) - <em>"The heroes of declining nations are always the same—the athlete, the singer or the actor. The word ‘celebrity’ today is used to designate a comedian or a football player, not a statesman, a general, or a literary genius." </em></li> </ol></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rene Loup, post: 76705945, member: 427478"] [I]"Another remarkable and unexpected symptom of national decline is the intensification of internal political hatreds. One would have expected that, when the survival of the nation became precarious, political factions would drop their rivalry and stand shoulder-to-shoulder to save their country. In the fourteenth century, the weakening empire of Byzantium was threatened, and indeed dominated, by the Ottoman Turks. The situation was so serious that one would have expected every subject of Byzantium to abandon his personal interests and to stand with his compatriots in a last desperate attempt to save the country. The reverse occurred. The Byzantines spent the last fifty years of their history in fighting one another in repeated civil wars, until the Ottomans moved in and administered the coup de grâce. Britain has been governed by an elected parliament for many centuries. In former years, however, the rival parties observed many unwritten laws. Neither party wished to eliminate the other. All the members referred to one another as honourable gentlemen. But such courtesies have now lapsed. Booing, shouting and loud noises have undermined the dignity of the House, and angry exchanges are more frequent. We are fortunate if these rivalries are fought out in Parliament, but sometimes such hatreds are carried into the streets, or into industry in the form of strikes, demonstrations, boycotts and similar activities. True to the normal course followed by nations in decline, internal differences are not reconciled in an attempt to save the nation. On the contrary, internal rivalries become more acute, as the nation becomes weaker."[/I] [B]~[URL='http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf']The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival[/URL], by [URL='https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Bagot-Glubb']Sir John Bagot Glubb[/URL] - XXI Civil dissensions, pg. 12-13.[URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecc.+1%3A9&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB'] [/URL][/B] Can we handle any more political drama ([URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecc.+1%3A9&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB']Ecc. 1:9[/URL])? We need Christ-like leaders using rhetoric leading to reform, not entertainers[SIZE=2][1][/SIZE] creating further division ([URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11%3A17-18%2C+Mark+3%3A24-26%2C+Matt.+12%3A25-26%2C+2+Pet.+2%3A17-22%2C+2+Tim.+4%3A1-5&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB']Luke 11:17-18, Mark 3:24-26, Matt. 12:25-26, 2 Pet. 2:17-22, 2 Tim. 4:1-5[/URL]). [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.+1%2C+Mark+1%2C+Luke+1%2C+John+1&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB']The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John[/URL] record the Lord Jesus Christ leading by example. Before anyone mentions Him using insults like 'dogs' ([URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.+7%3A6%2C+2+Pet.+2%3A17-22%2C+Prov.+26%3A11&version=KJV,NKJV,NIV,ICB']Matt. 7:6, 2 Pet. 2:17-22, Prov. 26:11[/URL]) and 'snakes' ([URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.+3%3A1%2C+John+8%3A44%2C+Matt.+12%3A33-37%2C+23%3A1-39%2C+Rev.+12%3A9&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB']Gen. 3:1, John 8:44, Matt. 12:33-37, 23:1-39, Rev. 12:9[/URL]), these have Biblically symbolic meanings. Are we the world ([URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+2%3A15-17%2C+John+15%3A18-16%3A4%2C+17%3A14-15%2C+Rom.+12%3A2&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB']1 John 2:15-17, John 15:18-16:4, 17:14-15, Rom. 12:2[/URL])? Why and how? [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps.+146&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB'][B]~Psalm 146 (NIV)[/B][/URL] [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Tim.+3&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB'][B]~2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV)[/B][/URL] Whom are we going to choose to serve this day ([URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Josh.+24%3A15%2C+Luke+16%3A1-15%2C+Matt.+6%3A19-34&version=KJV;NKJV;NIV;ICB']Josh. 24:15, Luke 16:1-15, Matt. 6:19-34[/URL])? Why? [LIST=1] [*][URL='http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf']The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival (1976)[/URL] - [URL='https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Bagot-Glubb']Sir John Bagot Glubb[/URL] - XXIII Frivolity (pg. 14) - [I]"The heroes of declining nations are always the same—the athlete, the singer or the actor. The word ‘celebrity’ today is used to designate a comedian or a football player, not a statesman, a general, or a literary genius." [/I] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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