Would you guys mind?

[Achichem]

I am not a Messianic Jew, but very close,

I think our difference is in only these three minor areas:

• I do not recognise the trinity, I do recognize something, but I feel no need in guessing something which has too many possibly and no direct teachings from ouR Father.
• I follow the laws of Moses a little less stringently, in other words I do not recognize any thing like the Talmud (not saying its bad to, its great)
• I do not know Hebrew, Yet! My church does not teach it., or use it, but I want to learn.

So my question is would anyone mind, if I post here, even debate here a little (do not think there is a need, but you never know), and stick around here, because you get attack a lot when you bring up questions about the law in any other form.

Anyways hope you do not mind,
DaTsar

 

[Eben Abram]

Shalom Alecheim

I am a Jew, albeit a Messianic Jew.

I do not see why you could not post, but I am not a Moderator.

I am not Torah Observant though I had been invovled in the Lubavitch Chassidim for a season or two.

You could say I am a relationship advocate.

I know the Living G-d, and thus I interact with His S-n and do enjoin myself to Him through his Ruach ha kodesh, Holy Spirit.

I know Elohim is a triune being contained in deity as Echad-One, yet still is unique and distinctive in the Father and the S-n and His Spirit.

I know this is not a Christian invention but a Jewish fact often related in terms non-jews find hard to understand like "supernal"

I know many people pretend to be offended to make a point that no self respecting Jew would say they were offended.

YhVh not yhwh is the tetragrammon for the Almighty, Holy One, Blessed be his name.

G-d my Father purposed in his heart to teach me many things that I might be able to give to every man an answer for the Hope of Humanity and evey Human Being, be they Jew or Gentile.

That tikvah, Hope, is Messiah. Some call Jesus, we say y'shua, but who actually is Y'hoshua in proper Hebrew.......(joshua)

When I can, as I can, I will respond and seek the L-rd to answer any questions.

Eben Abram

eben micha'el ya'acov ben avraham

 

[SonWorshipper]

Ask away!

 

[Achichem]

As far as the Trinity goes, have you really studied this and looked into the Word? The Trinity is established Biblically starting in Genesis 1 and woven throughout the entire Word. What "evidence" is missing for you to believe in the Trinity? (if you don't mind my asking)

I just do not get what the spirit is, it just does not seem like an entity of its own. I have no problem with seeing y-shua and the father(I was wondering away, But it was clear up).
Just how the spirit fits in.

Speaking of the Law, what Laws do you feel you are under or obligated to follow? (just curious)

Every one I can,(I try to keep all in concept)
I am in study mode, I learn of new ones and look at how to implement them all the time, there just so much to learn from them.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Datsar, I understand you completely, I think. is what you are feeling that you can see the Father and the Son and see them as "persons" but not the Holy Spirit? If so I feel the same way and don't refer to them as persons. Our G-d is echad, ONE unity, but in different manifestations.



G-d is a spirit, but has manifested himself in various ways. Many of these ways were called the "Angel of the L-rd". And then there is Yeshua, he is G-d come in the flesh. Lowering himself to make atonement for our sins in the most personal way possible, by living as a human being and dying as a criminal, when he did nothing wrong but loved us that much. When He left and went back to heaven after he raised himself from the dead He send - on Shavuot ( Pentecost) down a piece of himself, the Ruach Ha Kodesh, and that is what lives in every born again believer.



Now my beliefs from here on may be a little hard to grasp but I believe that the L-rd has revealed this to me after many years ( decades actually) of study of His word, I believe for these end times, that He now is not only the risen L-rd, but the Father as well. Revelation and Isaiah are a big part of what He has shown me the understanding of.



The traditional teaching of the Trinity however prevents many from understanding this fully, but it is what I believe to be true.



I also believe that articles were added in Matthew 28:19 that do not belong there and taking them out would give the proper deeper meaning.



I believe it should read like this:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Do you see the difference?



Have you read my study on Revelation 12 in this forum titled: Is Yeshua YHVH? It goes into depth about what I was shown, but you will see that there are a lot of protests against that, but I believe it to be true.



Yeshua is the Almighty G-d! the Everlasting Father! Praise you L-rd!!!!!!

 

[SonWorshipper]

Every one I can,(I try to keep all in concept)
I am in study mode, I learn of new ones and look at how to implement them all the time, there just so much to learn from them.

Yes, this is why the phrase that most Christians leave out is of use here, For Moses is taught in the synogogue every shabbat!

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

I don't believe in the Trinity either and I am Messianic. Welcome to the forum. I would say you sound Messianic to me as an individual that is if you observe the Torah the best that you can and are willing to learn what might be missing in your walk with YHVH with Yeshua's Faith.

Shalom,

Tag

 

[simchat_torah]

DaTsar,

You will find that there are a number of messianics who don't believe in the trinity. It is (or should be) a doctrine of no consequence to salvific concerns. From what it seems, I would think you might enjoy a messianic service quite a bit. Check out a congregation close to you and see what you think.

shalom,
Yafet.

 

[Achichem]

Check out a congregation close to you and see what you think.

I did, did not quite work out for me,and I go to both but my church runs their services at the same time.

but I still go for Yeshiva with them.

 

[simchat_torah]

please don't see me as a jerk here... just helping you out with your transliterations...

but Yeshiva is a place where you study to be a rabbi, much like christianity has seminary.

Schul is what you call it when you go to synagouge.

Shalom!
Yafet.

 

[Achichem]

but Yeshiva is a place where you study to be a rabbi, much like christianity has seminary.

Schul is what you call it when you go to synagouge.

LOL,

Yah, that Hebrew, one beautiful language, but not a quick one to pick up.


I intended to say bible study.

 

[yod]

I do not recognise the trinity, I do recognize something, but I feel no need in guessing something which has too many possibly and no direct teachings from ouR Father.

I completely agree with your position. The Lord must be some kind of multi-dimensional being to clone Himself and come to Earth (you know what I mean) but I"m not convinced that the traditional church explanation is able to encompass or fully comprehend this...much less explain it!

so I leave the discussion when it's brought up.

I follow the laws of Moses a little less stringently, in other words I do not recognize any thing like the Talmud (not saying its bad to, its great)

The Talmud is not anywhere near the Words of Moses. It is a nice book of human wisdom with some inspired men writing it. Any congregation that puts it on a level of scripture is leaning towards denying Yeshua eventually.

I do not know Hebrew, Yet! My church does not teach it., or use it, but I want to learn.

Neither do most jews so you are in good company!

Welcome to the forum..