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we can not use wisdom to commit an offense against God.don't worry, didn't think she was saying that.
Just pointing out that a Christian CAN take action, using the wisdom (or for some of us, the lack therof!) God provided.
To engage in purposefully sterile sex is the equivalant of marital sodomy.
It is a crime against nature and God.
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but, by definition, you go to a doctor, whom are you trusting?
I am not equating Cancer and pregnancy. Pregnancy is not a disease!
Okay, here's where I'm calling the bluff.
I want Book, Chapter and Verse where the Bible says that it's a crime against God to have sex that doesn't result in pregnancy - or that cannot result in pregnancy.
And make no mistake about it: I'm talking about the Bible, not more man-made rules and laws of the RCC.
Thats what they were made for, but in some cases, such as mine, they are used as medicine (though I am celibate so its not a problem).They are contraceptives and nothing more.
Lets take another example. In Africa, children are dying of starvation by the droves. Birth control is not practiced in the 3rd world countries, for the most part.
Now, given this fac, would you say God would prefer the starvation of children, or the prevention of pregnancy?
Thats what they were made for, but in some cases, such as mine, they are used as medicine (though I am celibate so its not a problem).
I'm in full agreement there.
I'm gonna play the Missouri card here: Show me.
God Bless
Till all are one.
The Missouri card . . . The proverbial Missouri Man . .
I need to find that book that describes the Missouri Man so well . . I am married to one .
It is quite enlightening!
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nooooo..... obviously not, as abortion would be clearly violating Gods law.we can not use wisdom to commit an offense against God.
Using your logic than abortion is right- stem cell research is too.
We also made the Atomic bomb- should we use it just because God gave us the wisdom to make one?
who said I was?Exactly- so tell me again why are you sterilizing?
sigh..... It isn't about PRACTICE, it's an example. I advocate (or at least, do not condemn, I'm not a placard waver) contraception as it isn't a biblical mandate not to use it.So you are advocating violating God's command and engage in the sin of contraception because children are dying of starvation?
Your logic has one huge gaping hole in it, besides the other arguments I would bring to bear:
If they can't get food to those people, how are they going to get contraceptives to those people?
Description of Red HerringTLF said:You are raising a red herring . .a totally invalid argument.
I know why there is starvation, I don't need a lesson. All starvation is due to greed. However, the african example isnt even needed, there is plenty of starvation right here at home. The individual living in the country is unable to force the government, nor the people to take care of them. They may already be living with hunger and want. But God will turn his face from them from adding another mouth to feed in an already untenable situation!TLF said:Children are starving because of the selfishness of people and nations with plenty. Not because they lack contraceptives. . . The world has the ability to end their starvation tomorrow . . but the world refuses to act in such a manner. The world is wrapped in a culture of death and does not value these lives, just as those who practice contraceptive sex do not value the lives that could have been and that they possibly created but were aborted by the contraceptives they used.
I find it wildly Ironic that the Well fed and comfortable talk about suffering, and ascribe that the poor should just shut up and suffer, as it is we are called to do. I am certain perspective would change with hunger at the door.TLF said:But this goes to a whole 'nother level . . .
Who are we to play God and decide who lives and who dies?
These are souls, precious to God. You would deny them life so they would not have to suffer.
This is so like the 21st century mindset of the West to seek comfort and personal happiness at all costs . . to avoid suffering at all costs . .
Sorry . . the pursuit of happiness at the expense of life is not God's call to us . .
God's call to us is to take up our cross (suffering), deny ourselves (seeking our own pleasure and happiness), and follow him . . .
right.Thats what they were made for, but in some cases, such as mine, they are used as medicine (though I am celibate so its not a problem).
I don't know about that... the type can not be an abortifant potential. But I don't think, well... I know, one can't use B/C pills even in marriage that has a good intent.When they are used as a necessary medication for a health problem, even if you were not celibate, but in a proper marriage, you would not be sinning as the intent is not to prevent life, but to treat another condition and the prevention of life is an unintended consequence, much like one having to have their uterus removed because of cancer, etc . . .
It is what is in the heart, the intentions of the heart that make something sin . . .
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deacon,
As shown in the lisence plate:
Show me.
God Bless
Till all are one.
which is why sterilizing oneself, whether that be for a month with drugs or for life with the knife, is also a sin.nooooo..... obviously not, as abortion would be clearly violating Gods law.
Ditto using atomic bombs.
Children are starving because of the selfishness of people and nations with plenty. Not because they lack contraceptives. . .
contraception as it isn't a biblical mandate not to use it.
If they have to use B/C pills then abstinence is in order until the problem is treated.
Please show me where in the bible God said it's okay for us to take powerful chemicals and use surgery to change the way he designed our body to work?
Using medical science to change the way God made your body is no different then a person who uses prescription drugs to get high and not to treat a actually illness.
Your argument is one of license. It's not one of God given freedom. Just because we have the brains to, does not mean we can.
Put me together the biblical argument that says you can take drugs and use surgery for the sole purpose to change the way he made your body to work?
To take a working organ that God design to work, and to on purpose break it so it won't work anymore.
You don't see that has slapping God in his face? I sure do.
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