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However, You must remember that no protestant looks to Luther as an infallible organization. Nor did he claim to be.
The RCC does.
What if a person knew they would absolutely die during child-birth? Should that person/couple keep from getting pregnant?
controlling when we get pregnant is not what makes "birth control", contraception. It's the anti baby- anti large family mentality.
for clarification, controlling birth using a moral means is not sinful. Contraception is sinful which is a mentality.
show me evidence, from Luther, stating that he was the infallible, only truth bearer.NO he did and i realize that no one really cares what his message really was. They just point to him as they cry free, free we are free at last... waving their bibles of course.
I don't know, it's kind of like poetic justice that they both share the same name and the latter one ends in "King" and he was Jr.
Martin Luther ..."King." who free us from the barbaric Catholic Church.
because she is, the bible says so.
Not if it means that they could enjoy sex while making it sterile.
I know of a woman who gave up her life to have her child. She sacrificed herself for another ..
No greater love than this . . than a man lay down his life for a friend ..
That is sacrificial love.. .
contraception is the opposite . . .
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Yes, I consider fertility and each child a gift from God.
Yes, I consider child birth a miracle.
And yes, let's DO cut the bull - and answer these questions!
1. Why do you uphold the teachings of a Church over the teachings of the Bible?
2. Why do you believe SOME forms of birth control - specifically NFP - are okay while others are "sin".
3. What makes you think you're in a position to be a judge, when the Bible CLEARLY says both that role belongs to God & Jesus, and that humans are NOT to judge?
4. And last but not least, WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY THAT BIRTH CONTROL IS A SIN?
Yes, let's. If you think the gift of a child is a blessing and fertility is a gift- who are you to make yourself sterile?Yes indeed, let's cut the bull!
Let's discuss the topic of Onan's Sin for a moment...
Read Genesis 38 - and read it without the man-made traditions of the RCC heaped on it.
Onan's sin was NOT - as the RCC has WRONGLY asserted - masturbation.
Onan's sin was simply that he refused to fulfill his God-ordained duty to provide the wife of his death brother a child.
This has NOTHING to do with Birth Control. It has NOTHING to do with masturbation. It has EVERYTHING to do with denying his dead brother an heir.
So it's stupid to sacrifice your life for your baby's life WOW_________________________________That's not heroism. That's stupid. How many children did she leave without a mother? And what has happened to those children? Why didn't she just NOT get pregnant?
Now before you go off on yet another of your tangents, I'm not promoting abortion. I'm saying that it is STUPID to intentionally get pregnant when you know it could kill you. It is STUPID to claim you're "trusting God" yet make full use of EVERY modern medical advance you can.
Then Condoms should be no different than NFP, and thusly, fine.I don't.
One reason, I have many, but one, because the majority of ABC are abortificants.
Now before you go off on yet another of your tangents, I'm not promoting abortion. I'm saying that it is STUPID to intentionally get pregnant when you know it could kill you. It is STUPID to claim you're "trusting God" yet make full use of EVERY modern medical advance you can.
logical fallacy, appealling to traditions.If you would take time to read the scriptural evidences I gave, you would see that this is not true.
It also amazes me that some people today make the claims you did above, yet all of Christianity for 1900 universally understood the sin of Onan to be that of deliberately sterilzing the sexual act . . .
Somehow, all of Christianity (not just Catholicism .. so please stop playing the Catholic card in such a manner - which is nothing more than an attempt to poison the well, a logical fallacy) got it wrong for 1900 years and now some are so enlightened as to understand what all of Chritianity failed to udnerstand all those centuries . .
Never mind that such "enlightenment" came only after secular humanism, rationalism and modernism . . . grave errors that deny God . . . began to make their mark on Protestant theology. . . .
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didn't we cover this yesterday?Then Condoms should be no different than NFP, and thusly, fine.
the "Majority" of ABC are not abortificants.
SOME pills are, the IUD is. Injections may be as well, never looked in to them.
However,
Diapraghms, Condoms, both Male and Female, Spermicidal Gels, Tubal ligations, NFP, and Vasectomies are non-abortificant. the MAJORITY are NOT abortificant.
That's not heroism. That's stupid. How many children did she leave without a mother? And what has happened to those children? Why didn't she just NOT get pregnant?
Now before you go off on yet another of your tangents, I'm not promoting abortion. I'm saying that it is STUPID to intentionally get pregnant when you know it could kill you. It is STUPID to claim you're "trusting God" yet make full use of EVERY modern medical advance you can.
I am speaking only of the abortificant property. You use it as objection, I refute the abortifican property argument, based on facts.didn't we cover this yesterday?
Do I need to draw you a picture?
Condoms prevent one spouse from totally giving themselves to the other. The man holds back his fertility from the women during the act ad the woman rejects him and her own fertility.
This is what two being made one is, it's a total self giving, accepting the whole person. Gifts and all.
Then Condoms should be no different than NFP, and thusly, fine.
the "Majority" of ABC are not abortificants.
SOME pills are, the IUD is. Injections may be as well, never looked in to them.
However,
Diapraghms, Condoms, both Male and Female, Spermicidal Gels, Tubal ligations, NFP, and Vasectomies are non-abortificant. the MAJORITY are NOT abortificant.
condoms are not drugs. Diaphragms are not drugs. Vasectomies are not drugs. Etc...."the "Majority" of ABC are not abortificants."
that is a lie from the medical community that doesn't want the truth to be known . .
Look it up on DrugDigest . ..
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really? I never knew!Do you really not understand the difference between Condoms and NFP?
Condoms prevent sperm from entering the woman . . . they sterilize the sexual act and make the couple totally closed to life.
NFP does none of this.
false.TLF said:All hormonal contraceptives are .
true, if they are ovulating.TLF said:all devices which prevent implantation are.
possibly. Are you stating everyone? Or just Christians?TLF said:The majority of those using contraceptives use hormonal contraceptives . . .
unsubstatiated. Has not been demonstrated that birth control is a crime against God. And if it is, so is NFP. You can't wiggle out of that hypocracy.TLF said:And all artifical contraceptives sterilize the sexual act and when used intentionally for that purpose are crimes against God and nature.
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