Would it be considered conservative or liberal...

[lawtonfogle]

If someone held conservative views, say homosexuality is wrong, sex before marriage is wrong, pornography is wrong, ect. but the also held the view that there morals should not influence their demands on others, just their expectations, would you consider this person conservative, liberal, or centrist?

 

[Criada]

No
It's easier not to stick label on people imo, they rarely fit totally.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

If someone held conservative views, say homosexuality is wrong, sex before marriage is wrong, pornography is wrong, ect. but the also held the view that there morals should not influence their demands on others, just their expectations, would you consider this person conservative, liberal, or centrist?

I'd say that's not necessarily a theological position at all. What it would be is socially conservative but politically libertarian. One could be almost anything theologically, and be in almost any church, with that particular combination of views.

 

[ladyt28]

I would call that person private and not imposing.

 

[Albion]

If someone held conservative views, say homosexuality is wrong, sex before marriage is wrong, pornography is wrong, ect. but the also held the view that there morals should not influence their demands on others, just their expectations, would you consider this person conservative, liberal, or centrist?

That would still be Conservative, although in the political arena, it might also be seen as Libertarian.

It is not necessary for one to impose his views on others in order for him to be a genuine Conservative as defined by his own values; and whatever those values might be, it is the definition of a Libertarian to oppose forcing others to conform.

The profile you have outlined does not appear to me to be compatible with Liberalism or Centrism.

 

[Nadiine]

I would call that person private and not imposing.

[and to the OP]
well the problem runs into if everyone wants to be "private" and not
impose any morals on others......

then you have to accept legal prostitution, legal drug abuse, legal
polygamy, legal incest, legal bestiality, legal nudity in public areas,
etc. etc. etc.

We have to have moral laws in society or we become hedonistic
anarchists (kinda like Sodom & Gomorrah).

Does that please God that we're called to be salt and light in
this world then ignore promotion of His laws & statutes in our
world?

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

That would seem to presume there is no other rationale than imposing Christian morality on the immoral to justify making such laws as are needed to maintain public order.

Protection of people's rights from being violated by others is one reason. Or simply democratic consensus -- but on second thought, I'd say no to this one if it doesn't relate to protecting rights.

I believe the role of government should be limited to defending us from enemies, maintaining order and settling disputes, and protecting our rights -- our God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If there is no other reason than enforcing morality to make a law, than I think it ought not to be made.

 

[Albion]

[and to the OP]
well the problem runs into if everyone wants to be "private" and not
impose any morals on others......

then you have to accept legal prostitution, legal drug abuse, legal
polygamy, legal incest, legal bestiality, legal nudity in public areas,
etc. etc. etc.

We have to have moral laws in society or we become hedonistic
anarchists (kinda like Sodom & Gomorrah).

Does that please God that we're called to be salt and light in
this world then ignore promotion of His laws & statutes in our
world?

But to be clear, the question did not ask how to please God or how we want the world to be structured, but only about how we would classify a person who holds Conservative views personally while not favoring the imposition of them on others.

 

[Nadiine]

But to be clear, the question did not ask how to please God or how we want the world to be structured, but only about how we would classify a person who holds Conservative views personally while not favoring the imposition of them on others.

The main point I made was that we already DO "impose" moral laws
on people - for the overall good of society and for safety reasons.

The issue becomes which laws we're going to work to keep or
ignore.
I'll also point this out, that LACK of imposing moral laws is imposing
IMMORALITY on others who do not want to live in a Sodom &
Gomorrah society.
I don't view it as any neutral becuz we're opening up the channels
to legalize immorality - like we've done with abortion and prostitution
in Las Vegas.

Social morality works both ways - they have no more right
to impose the immorality than on me than I have to impose
morality on them.
Right?
Either way, someone is disenfranchised or unhappy becuz you can't
have it both ways.

For a Christian to be IMPOSING immorality - to opt to open up more
channels for more people to participate in evil without hinderance, I
take issue with it and question the conservativism of it.

 

[Cris413]

The main point I made was that we already DO "impose" moral laws
on people - for the overall good of society and for safety reasons.

The issue becomes which laws we're going to work to keep or
ignore.
I'll also point this out, that LACK of imposing moral laws is imposing
IMMORALITY on others who do not want to live in a Sodom &
Gomorrah society.
I don't view it as any neutral becuz we're opening up the channels
to legalize immorality - like we've done with abortion and prostitution
in Las Vegas.

Social morality works both ways - they have no more right
to impose the immorality than on me than I have to impose
morality on them.
Right?
Either way, someone is disenfranchised or unhappy becuz you can't
have it both ways.

For a Christian to be IMPOSING immorality - to opt to open up more
channels for more people to participate in evil without hinderance, I
take issue with it and question the conservativism of it.

This is a really good point.

How do we know thievery is wrong...or that murder is wrong...or that bearing false witness is wrong...because God's moral laws tells us so.

God's word also tells us drunkeness and debachery is wrong, practicing homosexuality is wrong, adultery is wrong...conservatisim generally finds these practices wrong because we believe God's word and in His perfect and righteous judgment of these things.

I don't understand why some consider standing up and saying we consider these things to be wrong and vote in a manner that reflects how we wish our society to be governed is wrong?

Simply because we have a voice in how our societies are structured doesn't mean we're imposing our morality on others...just exercising our rights (for now) to share our voice regarding the direction our society is takes....when asked.

Most of us are not going about blowing up abortion clinics or burning down gay clubs, strip joints and all the lovely "spas" that are prostitution fronts or trashing liquor and "adult" stores and such. We simply voice and vote our convictions...how is that "imposing" anything on anyone?

The basic reality is sadly....my rights end where another's right begin and for some reason...we as Believers are supposed to OK with forfeiting our rights....... that it is somehow better and more acceptable in our society to infringe on our rights than for us to infringe on the rights of others. We're expected to be tolerant of everyone elses ideals...but our ideals seems to be of little value to others...

I guess we're the "smokers" of society. Someone's right not to breathe smoke supercedes another's right to smoke. It's all about whose rights are more valuable than anothers...so apparently our right to live in a moral society...is superceded by another's right to promote immorality.

And the thingy is...it's not OUR morality we support...it's God's standard for morality. So people who have a problem with us voicing our support of a moral society...don't really have a problem with us and our standards...they have a problem with God and His standards...IMHO.

And if one has these conservative values and convictions...and keeps them to themselves...never takes a stand to voice them...I guess that is their choice...and perhaps they may consider themselves a "closet" conservative.

 

[MrJim]

This is a really good point.

How do we know thievery is wrong...or that murder is wrong...or that bearing false witness is wrong...because God's moral laws tells us so.

God's word also tells us drunkeness and debachery is wrong, practicing homosexuality is wrong, adultery is wrong...conservatisim generally finds these practices wrong because we believe God's word and in His perfect and righteous judgment of these things.

I don't understand why some consider standing up and saying we consider these things to be wrong and vote in a manner that reflects how we wish our society to be governed is wrong?

Simply because we have a voice in how our societies are structured doesn't mean we're imposing our morality on others...just exercising our rights (for now) to share our voice regarding the direction our society is takes....when asked.

Most of us are not going about blowing up abortion clinics or burning down gay clubs, strip joints and all the lovely "spas" that are prostitution fronts or trashing liquor and "adult" stores and such. We simply voice and vote our convictions...how is that "imposing" anything on anyone?

The basic reality is sadly....my rights end where another's right begin and for some reason...we as Believers are supposed to OK with forfeiting our rights....... that it is somehow better and more acceptable in our society to infringe on our rights than for us to infringe on the rights of others. We're expected to be tolerant of everyone elses ideals...but our ideals seems to be of little value to others...

I guess we're the "smokers" of society. Someone's right not to breathe smoke supercedes another's right to smoke. It's all about whose rights are more valuable than anothers...so apparently our right to live in a moral society...is superceded by another's right to promote immorality.

And the thingy is...it's not OUR morality we support...it's God's standard for morality. So people who have a problem with us voicing our support of a moral society...don't really have a problem with us and our standards...they have a problem with God and His standards...IMHO.

And if one has these conservative values and convictions...and keeps them to themselves...never takes a stand to voice them...I guess that is their choice...and perhaps they may consider themselves a "closet" conservative.

It can be a "pick and choose" on this "God's moral law" business~~what's being used as a guide..the OT? Where do we draw the line-lots of stuff in "God's moral law". And since we live under grace not under the law where does that fit in to societies rules?

 

[Cris413]

It can be a "pick and choose" on this "God's moral law" business~~what's being used as a guide..the OT? Where do we draw the line-lots of stuff in "God's moral law". And since we live under grace not under the law where does that fit in to societies rules?

Well MrJim...much better minds than mine have considered these things for ages.

I can't tell others how to move through their faith...I can only act upon my personal convictions...and in the democratic society or republic or whatever it was orginally set up to be...I'm allowed a voice and I plan to use it to the best of my understanding...as the Lord leads and measuring it to the precepts and concepts as given in the full measure of Scripture prayerfully seeking the Holy Spirit for wisdom and understanding.

It's a process...always learning and growing...and I'm certainly not affraid to be corrected.......and to leave childish understandings as I mature.

I'm cool with that...all things and understanding in God's perfect timing...I trust it and I have no doubt that He will continue the work He started in me.

 

[Rhamiel]

i would say you are conservative, I do not think wanting to force your ideas on others is a conservative trait, if anything it is a liberal trait

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

That would still be Conservative, although in the political arena, it might also be seen as Libertarian........

That sounds about right to me.

 

[ladyt28]

......., I do not think wanting to force your ideas on others is a conservative trait, if anything it is a liberal trait

Are you kidding?? Both sides try desperately to impose their interpretation of right and wrong on others - one side is just as guilty of that as the other.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Are you kidding?? Both sides try desperately to impose their interpretation of right and wrong on others - one side is just as guilty of that as the other.

The only morals-related issues I can think of that conservatives are trying to "impose" (to use your word) are an end to abortion and traditional marriage as being between a man and a woman.

The thing with abortion is that murder is already illegal, and abortion is legalized murder. So its not a matter of "imposing" anything, but rather a matter of setting right a horrible wrong.

And marriage is between a man and a woman. That is so painfully obvious that I don't think it even needs to be expounded upon.

 

[Nadiine]

Are you kidding?? Both sides try desperately to impose their interpretation of right and wrong on others - one side is just as guilty of that as the other.

That's exactly true, but to say they're "guilty" for it is to essentially
even judge God for making moral laws as if moral laws are evil or something?

What is your solution if everyone's guilty of imposing/forcing morality?

The truth is, everyone including yourself is involved whether you push
or don't push for any laws to be in place.
There is no neutral position in this.

If you want to remove the laws for penalty of murder (a moral issue),
then you are forcing your moral liberality onto everyone else by not
punishing murderers and locking them up away from innocent people.

If you want to keep them in place, you're imposing penalty on
murderers. A moral preference being forced on society.

There is no neutral escape for either side of this and you are just
as guilty in your opinions and preferences where morality is concerned
in society.
Conservatives do their best to keep morality closest to the Bible
standards when at all possible; knowing that we cannot police what
everyone does in the privacy of their own homes - but those that
DO affect all of us collectively or that would lead us to worse
morality if opened up.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Don't impose any sort law at all. Anarchy rules!!!

 

[CyberPaladin]

Tu Es Petrus there are other conservative attempts to regulate morality by barring things like pornagraphy and gambling they just aren't getting national attetion or political movement instead they're more of a state/local level issue.

 

[Nadiine]

Don't impose any sort law at all. Anarchy rules!!!

HEY they should make a Vid game of that!