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Let me get this straight.True, but it's impossible to know who gets something from the Holy Spirit and not. I'm sure some Lutherans get things from the Holy Spirit, and I'm sure Catholics and Pentacostals do as well, still we got many different churches and denominations. If the Holy Spirit would give us clear guidiance reading the scripture, we would only have one Church.
For yourself, it's of course great if you know the Holy Spirit is talking to you, but I believe in most matters the Holy Spirit won't precise the scripture for you. That is why it's important to learn about the teachings of the early Church.
Leaning on the wisdom that is put in the Scriptures by the apostles and prophets is relying on God.First of all, leaning on wisdom of man, is that what you do when you lean on the wisdom of the apostles and those that were taught directly from the apostles? Ignatius and Polycarp were disciples of John. Clement of Rome was a disciple of Peter. I think we are to listen to the men of the early Church for obvious reasons.
You can not rely on that your understanding of scripture is totally from the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit shows you something in the scripture and you know it's the Holy Spirit speaking, you are blessed. This is not something that happens on ordinary basis.
You tell me why we have all these different churches and denominations, if the Holy Spirit clearly lays out the Bible for us on daily basis?
As for why we have so many denominations, people either don't listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling them through His Word or they misinterpret what He has told them.
I never claimed perfection, I am still growing, learning His Voice.And of course that never happens to you?
I never claimed perfection, I am still growing, learning His Voice.
If I tell anything to someone I encourage them to check what I say with the Scripture.
The only infallible thing we have is God's Word. All men are fallible, Scripture is not.
Whenever something is given secondhand, errors can creep in.
In my business I make keys for others. I use original keys to make copies, I never copy a copy. Because the copy, no matter how close to the original, is not an original.
As for why we have so many denominations, people either don't listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling them through His Word or they misinterpret what He has told them.
But we have the perfect Word of God to go by.What I believe is lacking in most churches is the knowledge of the teachings of the first three century Christians, or ignoring what they taught. I'm not saying that they had it all perfectly right, still we are at better odds with them than listening to medieval theologians, who knew very little of the first Christians.
But we have the perfect Word of God to go by.
Why listen to men when you know they are not perfect?
Don't give blind obedience to either 1-3 century teachers or medieval theologians.
It is not the Spirit that is giving both views.The problem is that the word is not self interpreted. You need to interpret it, and like we see, even the most Spirit filled men interpret it differently. Some believe in infant baptism, others not etc.
It is not the Spirit that is giving both views.
By checking it with the Word of God. Not checking with tradition.True, but how do we know which is right? Both believe the Holy Spirit has told them what they believe? So we also can believe the Holy Spirit has told us something that isn't of the Spirit. What makes our understanding better than those two preachers?
By checking it with the Word of God. Not checking with tradition.
Whatever you say.Sorry, but that is circular reasoning: "I can know the Holy Spirit talks to me since the Word of God says this. And I know the Word of God says this because the Holy Spirit says it to me."
Whatever you say.
This conversation has become circular and going nowhere.
Sorry, but that is circular reasoning: "I can know the Holy Spirit talks to me since the Word of God says this. And I know the Word of God says this because the Holy Spirit says it to me."
I seem to remember that the only time Peter went to a non-jew was Cornelius and then he came back and never went again. Did I miss something and there was another ministry to the non-jew?Paul did not teach anything that was different from what the other Apostles taught. If Paul were never there, Christianity would still be Christianity, and it would still look "catholic".
The reason this kind of question gets asked in the first place is because people imagine that Paul had a message that was different from the other Apostles (which is not to say that that is what you think; just that there are people who think that), and people imagine that because they grossly misunderstand what Paul was teaching. I would say that the Protestant Reformation, and its subsequent splits, occurred in large part due to gross misunderstandings of Paul's teachings. Those misunderstandings then became the lens through which people read the rest of the Scriptures.
The message which dominated most of Paul's epistles was that it is wrong to Judaize and see the Gospel as a function of the Law of Moses; that all who have been baptized into Christ are on equal footing, and it doesn't matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile. The failure to see that context and the failure to interpret Paul's words in that context has resulted his words being twisted beyond recognition by countless millions of people, and thus twisting the rest of Scripture beyond recognition.
What does that have to do with anything?I seem to remember that the only time Peter went to a non-jew was Cornelius and then he came back and never went again. Did I miss something and there was another ministry to the non-jew?
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