i have only been playing with the worship team for about three weeks now..first the lead guitarist left about the time i started..plus they brought in a new worship paster about the same time..no one would say why he left and i really didn't want to ask any questions..he had been playing for years and was really good..now another member that has been playing for years just up and left..and this guy isn't someone who would just decide to quit..he was very much in the spirit of worship..but same thing..no one will talk about what happened..now the only ones left is one person that has been on the team for years and the rest of us are new..i'm just wondering if something is going on with this new worship leader that i don't know about..like i said no one will say anything..but he has told me himself that he's had trouble making friends since he's been here..i really don't know if i should continue in this or if i'm getting into something i don't know about that can make me look like a bad guy in the end..i just wish someone in church could give me a idea what is going on..i know they had a issue with practice..and i have even got a little upset when they wanted us to practice more often and added more songs to our already long set list..it's hard to work a full time job and spend time with your wife and kids when you have to practice for 10 new songs a week..any advice..
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Sometimes Musicans Can Be Very Inflexible In Doing Thins In New Ways Or Under New People. I Wouldn't Worry About It Too Much. Try To Keep An Open Mind And Give The New Leader A Chance. Ten Songs A Week Sounds Like A Lot To Process. The Comgregation Will Feel Uncomfortable Having To Learn A Bunch Of New Songs Too.
Things Will Be Uncomfortable For The Leader As Well As Everyone Else At First Be Patient And Show Grace Toward One Another.
Things Will Be Uncomfortable For The Leader As Well As Everyone Else At First Be Patient And Show Grace Toward One Another.
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I was in a worship team that had a number of issues and they were not discussed or resolved - in the end it just all fell apart.
I think there needs to be honesty and openess in a worship team and also a realisation of the workload it involves.
If you are feeling uncomfortable then maybe you should speak to the worship pastor about your concerns because getting it out in the open will be more helpful in the long run.
Rs xxx
I think there needs to be honesty and openess in a worship team and also a realisation of the workload it involves.
If you are feeling uncomfortable then maybe you should speak to the worship pastor about your concerns because getting it out in the open will be more helpful in the long run.
Rs xxx
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If everyone is quiet about it, then they probably feel it improper to gossip or degrade someone in the church. There are sometimes conflicts with leadership, differences of opinon with how things should be done... micromanaging.
Pray that God will show the offending people the results of their actions. (Which look a little obvious from here, with people leaving.)
Sometimes churches see what other churches are doing, and want to drive their WTs to great heights -- but as you say, this is not realistic. Who knows.
In a case like this, you will probably feel subtle things in your spirit that don't always line up with what you're hearing. Keep the Holy Spirit as your guide. He will put you where you will be effective -- which isn't always where you will be comfortable.
God's primary goal is not a glitzy worship team, but a body of believers that supports each other in and through their roles in the Kingdom. Let love be your end.
Pray that God will show the offending people the results of their actions. (Which look a little obvious from here, with people leaving.)
Sometimes churches see what other churches are doing, and want to drive their WTs to great heights -- but as you say, this is not realistic. Who knows.
In a case like this, you will probably feel subtle things in your spirit that don't always line up with what you're hearing. Keep the Holy Spirit as your guide. He will put you where you will be effective -- which isn't always where you will be comfortable.
God's primary goal is not a glitzy worship team, but a body of believers that supports each other in and through their roles in the Kingdom. Let love be your end.
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live4grace
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This sounds like an account of someone playing in a band that plays night clubs or something. EVERYONE should know that it's an honor to play for the Lord, otherwise don't do the ministry. Practice is part of any musical endeavor and while there's a balance to be struck, one's spouse has to be in agreement with any decision to minister in any way. So I guess I don't understand the attitudes; God is worthy of our best. Period.
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heh heh, do you have kids? Our families are worthy of our best too. And our jobs. And our other commitments. Our whole lives are an act of worship, not just our titled ministries.
God does not ask for sacrifice, or for a quota of work. He asks for our love. If every one of the ten songs is not perfect, God is not frowning from heaven, eager to kick someone off WT.
Good point.
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I have noticed that some instruments have different practicing needs. For instance, a bass player might be asked to play only a simple line of driving undercurrent (which might drive them crazy for boredom). A drummer might be asked to invent a more complex beat. A classical guitarist might be expected to finger every note without conflict.
If the problem escalates, maybe you could speak to the worship leader about the amount of complexity you are able to handle well in a normal week. So, rather than making it an all-or-nothing issue, it puts the need for a solution into his hands.
If the problem escalates, maybe you could speak to the worship leader about the amount of complexity you are able to handle well in a normal week. So, rather than making it an all-or-nothing issue, it puts the need for a solution into his hands.
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i have thought that maybe it's not the right time for me..but about that time i was reading a daily devotional and it was on reporting for duty for God..and how our idea of sucess in our work is not viewed the same way by God..and no i don't play in night clubs..
one other issue is this new music leader has really been calling me often and asking to come by the house and asking to hang out..now i know he needs friendship but like "heron" said we have families and i have a wife i'm very close to that we already have to work hard to find time to spend by ourselves..now don't get me wrong i love everyone in the church and i like to eat out with them now and then..but i kinda feel like my wife and i privacy is being intruded on..and i'm sorry if this is wrong..but it's like this guy pops up all the time..but i do play for God and i really try to keep this in perspective even though their is 6 other players i try to focus on what i'm doing and why i'm doing it..but i'm not perfect, i'm sure i let my expectations get in the way sometimes..now i don't know how to not hurt his feelings and be a friend..but something has gotta change..i would like to see him at church and talk to him at practice and maybe go out to eat now and then..but him calling constantly and wanting to come over..and asking to go with us on the weekends is getting under my skin a little..if i am wrong for feeling like this pray for me and let me know so i can work on it..but it's driveing me crazy..sorry had to vent..
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Perhaps you need to find out what the new worship leader wants from you. Friendship, support (because of a stinky situation he was handed, counsel, etc.
You have a right to set boundaries, and you have to.
If it were me, I would spend some time just seeking God to find what He's asking me to do. That makes boundary setting easier, or at least I'm not conflicted when I know I'm doing God's will.
Also, I would get with the pastor. He may be able to assist the music leader with goal-setting and not pushing the team too hard. A church can only handle a certain number of new songs over a period of time.
Brother there's something about you that this music leader is desiring to follow. For sure you've done that much right!
Hopefully, getting a handle on the situation will help your comfort level increase.
Blessings. -PW
You have a right to set boundaries, and you have to.
If it were me, I would spend some time just seeking God to find what He's asking me to do. That makes boundary setting easier, or at least I'm not conflicted when I know I'm doing God's will.
Also, I would get with the pastor. He may be able to assist the music leader with goal-setting and not pushing the team too hard. A church can only handle a certain number of new songs over a period of time.
Brother there's something about you that this music leader is desiring to follow. For sure you've done that much right!
Hopefully, getting a handle on the situation will help your comfort level increase.Blessings. -PW
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It sounds as though his friendship is a bigger problem that his WT demands. He is consuming all areas of your life, except work.
Don't be afraid to think up devices to set boundaries. It might feel deceptive, but I suspect that even if you told him you needed space, he would just cut back once and surge in again.
1. If he asks you what you're doing (how free are you), don't let him be the one to evaluate how free you are. You "have something going on soon."
2. Set time limits when you allow him to join you --"I need to be back by 2 for something else."
3. Encourage him to take on another responsibility at church, or join a fun fellowship group. It seems that he is a personality type that needs people around constantly. Spread the wealth.
4. If he talks primarily to you when he's with your family, find ways for him to help one of your children build something, or put him to work doing dishes with someone else.
5. Remember to affirm him even when you feel like you're the one who needs the affirmation. He seems sort of desperate for approval. Which is why you might have so many songs... him wanting to prove he can run a highly-skilled WT.
Don't be afraid to think up devices to set boundaries. It might feel deceptive, but I suspect that even if you told him you needed space, he would just cut back once and surge in again.
1. If he asks you what you're doing (how free are you), don't let him be the one to evaluate how free you are. You "have something going on soon."
2. Set time limits when you allow him to join you --"I need to be back by 2 for something else."
3. Encourage him to take on another responsibility at church, or join a fun fellowship group. It seems that he is a personality type that needs people around constantly. Spread the wealth.
4. If he talks primarily to you when he's with your family, find ways for him to help one of your children build something, or put him to work doing dishes with someone else.
5. Remember to affirm him even when you feel like you're the one who needs the affirmation. He seems sort of desperate for approval. Which is why you might have so many songs... him wanting to prove he can run a highly-skilled WT.
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I'd personally say that God does do a lot of moving around in ministry and takes people to different places. You might have to be the one to step in and make sure everyone gels together so you can be closer. Set it up so everyone in the band can fellowship together. You can tell which bands are close and those that are so far apart by the way they play their music.
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Yeah I have three kids. And shockingly I've been husband, father and led music ministry for 17 years. It's a juggle, and it involves a commitment of regular work. Sacrifice and hard work (what do you mean "quota"?) are certainly expectations of ministry unto God.
This is quite different from perfect performances, of course. It's dedicated hearts and lives. I've never removed anyone from ministry for reasons of performance, but we have parted ways with several who have walked in a persistently bad attitude.
Of course family comes first and during crisis it's often wise to step down for a season.
Now, the 10-new-songs-per-week regimen is way too much for the congregation let alone the worship team. At most, 2 new songs per month should be introduced. That's all the people can handle.
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i've cut out playing on wensday night so that has dropped 2 songs and it's been a big help, plus this week has not been so bad with less phone calls so i know God is working all this out for the best..thanks for all the prayers and support..i also pray all of your ministries have success..
God Bless u all..!!
God Bless u all..!!
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OUCH. You're in a tough spot. I've been stuck in the middle of these secret battles before and it's no fun at all.
Best thing I could suggest is to push harder to find out what's going on, and don't give up until you do. You are being asked to dedicate yourself to an important ministry and it's only fair to you that they lay it all out.
Don't drive yourself nuts trying to speculate. Get some hard facts and then prayerfully consider if you're being called into this, and if you're up to the challenge.
It's hard to worship when there is underlying tension on the team. Best to insist on open communication, or back out of it before you get hurt.
Best thing I could suggest is to push harder to find out what's going on, and don't give up until you do. You are being asked to dedicate yourself to an important ministry and it's only fair to you that they lay it all out.
Don't drive yourself nuts trying to speculate. Get some hard facts and then prayerfully consider if you're being called into this, and if you're up to the challenge.
It's hard to worship when there is underlying tension on the team. Best to insist on open communication, or back out of it before you get hurt.
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This past year was also very trying for my praise team. I wonder if it's just one big test from God, but it seems many praise teams are having troubles. About the time a new guitarist came in to the team, the lead guitarist got kicked off because he wouldn't worship the way the Youth Pastor told him to. Instead, he wanted to worship how God told him to. There was a long arguement about being subject to authority, which was placed there by God, but then the response was that you should be able to worship God how he tells you, not the youth pastor. SO yeah, The Youth pastor moved, and a new one came in. IMO, they're both great men with great intentions. But the lead singer is now back on the team, but not the leader anymore. Everything is going more smoothly now, although there are only myself, a guitarist and a pianist (i'm the drummer) on the team.
Basically, all I can say is that PRAYER WORKS! whenever you are in a tough situation, just stop what you are doing, and pray. God will work everything for the better, and nothing that happens ever shocks God. He knows what you are going through, but if you tell him, he will be willing to help you out.
One key thing is getting the whole team unified. What our new Youth Pastor did when he first came in, after noticing the issues, was that he said "Before I allow any of you to play one more song, you need to get it right, first with the Lord, and then among yourselves. You cannot lead others in worship when your heart is not right with God. So I am going to leave you here, and until you feel that God wants you to play, we can just sing acapella, or play a CD or something. But as long as you are having problems among yourself, I will not let you try to lead others in worship."
That worked pretty well, because we prayed first thing. (wow I'm jabbering on...) But prayer works! Remember that!
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Responding to someone's comment about people being uncomfortable learning new songs: Old songs get old fast. Pretty soon, you're just playing songs over and over and over and over again, and people get bored. After a while, they'll be happy to learn a new song.
Some ideas on getting them to learn the song before you play it on stage to ease the tension:
Basically, all I can say is that PRAYER WORKS! whenever you are in a tough situation, just stop what you are doing, and pray. God will work everything for the better, and nothing that happens ever shocks God. He knows what you are going through, but if you tell him, he will be willing to help you out.
One key thing is getting the whole team unified. What our new Youth Pastor did when he first came in, after noticing the issues, was that he said "Before I allow any of you to play one more song, you need to get it right, first with the Lord, and then among yourselves. You cannot lead others in worship when your heart is not right with God. So I am going to leave you here, and until you feel that God wants you to play, we can just sing acapella, or play a CD or something. But as long as you are having problems among yourself, I will not let you try to lead others in worship."
That worked pretty well, because we prayed first thing. (wow I'm jabbering on...
) But prayer works! Remember that!EDIT:
Responding to someone's comment about people being uncomfortable learning new songs: Old songs get old fast. Pretty soon, you're just playing songs over and over and over and over again, and people get bored. After a while, they'll be happy to learn a new song.
Some ideas on getting them to learn the song before you play it on stage to ease the tension:
- Play the song on CD as they are coming in to the service before hand
- Run through the song once on stage and let them learn it
- Let them get over the fact that there are new songs, and they shouldn't be so resistant to change.
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Hang in there and be yourself. If you were in a secular band there would be no communication breakdown. Everyone would speak there mind. Why are we, as Christians so afaid of offending eachother. We need to just get over it and speak our minds. My advice to you is to go to the new music leader and ask what's going on. Then bring it to prayer.
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