World before the Flood

[Floodnut]

I am working on a book describing and illustrating the World before the Flood.
I need some help. As I picture it, that world was more lush and verdant, with more species of animals, most of which were more robust and larger, as is evidenced by the fossil record.
Deer were larger, dragonflies were larger, etc.

The fossil evidence supports the idea of a more vibrant world.

I can think of ONE biblical evidence that confirms this:
The record of extreme longevity in the pre-flood patriarchs.

THE QUESTION OF THIS THREAD: What other biblical evidences, inferences, proof texts, quotations can be suggested to support the idea that the world was more lush and animals more vigorous?

 

[Chief117]

I'm not real sure...but a section that has always amazed me is Job 40 and 41, which bear extremely shockingly accurate descriptions of dinosaurs. And although you won't see the words in your modern english translations, the KJV translates several words as "dragon" and "unicorn."

Most translations today don't use these words, assuming that these creatures are "mythological" and must have been mistranslations. I however, along with many others, feel that these may be references to dinosaurs as well. (The unicorn more likely a "tricerotops" type dino with 1 horn).

I don't know if that's what you were looking for...but I thought I'd throw it out there.

 

[ChristBearer]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif]There were giants in the earth in those days; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular]Genesis 6:4a[/FONT]

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

This may not really address your main question but I think it would be important to point out if you were to write a book about how the world was before the flood. As I'm sure you know we were at first vegetarians. After the flood though animals had a fear of us and we now were allowed by God to eat meat.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Genesis 9:2-3 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

 

[busterdog]

I'm not real sure...but a section that has always amazed me is Job 40 and 41, which bear extremely shockingly accurate descriptions of dinosaurs. And although you won't see the words in your modern english translations, the KJV translates several words as "dragon" and "unicorn."

Most translations today don't use these words, assuming that these creatures are "mythological" and must have been mistranslations. I however, along with many others, feel that these may be references to dinosaurs as well. (The unicorn more likely a "tricerotops" type dino with 1 horn).

I don't know if that's what you were looking for...but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I think that recently they nailed some TRex DNA, which may tell us something.

For example, snakes never stop growing. So, does this tell us why dinosaurs were so enormous? We don't really know. Since, you are publishing, the standard is different. But, Chief raises a point you might want to follow up on, if at all possible. This sort of follows your point about the age of the patriarchs.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Can't remember where I read it, but wasn't pre-flood earth under what we'd call 'hyperbaric' conditions? with a higher oxygen content in the atmosphere?

I wanna say Carl Bough...

 

[Floodnut]

The natural evidence for a more robust pre-Flood world is abundant. Quite clearly the animals and plants found in the fossil record are very often quite a bit larger. I am looking for biblical evidence which suggests that the pre-Flood world was more vigorous.

The only thing that I can find is the fact the human lifespans reached almost 1000 years.
An implied evidence is the thought that the world was originally VERY GOOD, and then God said that the ground would bear thorns and thistles. That seems to indicate something that was not instantaneous, the change was not immediate, but the degradation was gradual.
Carl Baugh's Higher Oxygen theory, which is also held by secularists, that at one stage of earth history the atmosphere was different, interesting theory, And I probably agree with it, but it is not a biblical evidence. I am looking for texts or implied teachings.

 

[FenderElctrc]

I am working on a book describing and illustrating the World before the Flood.
I need some help. As I picture it, that world was more lush and verdant, with more species of animals, most of which were more robust and larger, as is evidenced by the fossil record.
Deer were larger, dragonflies were larger, etc.

The fossil evidence supports the idea of a more vibrant world.

I can think of ONE biblical evidence that confirms this:
The record of extreme longevity in the pre-flood patriarchs.

THE QUESTION OF THIS THREAD: What other biblical evidences, inferences, proof texts, quotations can be suggested to support the idea that the world was more lush and animals more vigorous?

I'm not real sure...but a section that has always amazed me is Job 40 and 41, which bear extremely shockingly accurate descriptions of dinosaurs. And although you won't see the words in your modern english translations, the KJV translates several words as "dragon" and "unicorn."

Most translations today don't use these words, assuming that these creatures are "mythological" and must have been mistranslations. I however, along with many others, feel that these may be references to dinosaurs as well. (The unicorn more likely a "tricerotops" type dino with 1 horn).

I don't know if that's what you were looking for...but I thought I'd throw it out there.

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif]There were giants in the earth in those days; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular]Genesis 6:4a[/FONT]

So, basically, everything was huge. lol.

 

[Floodnut]

So, basically, everything was huge. lol.

Fossil evidence is abundant that there was a time when many animals were generally much larger and more robust. However, I don't know if it would be accurate to assert that "everything was huge." Some raptors were only a foot or two in height, small in comparison to an 18-foot T-rex. Many be and wasp specimens are similar in size to their modern day counter-parts.
As to the matter of hyperbaric conditions, even secular, unbelieving scientists assert that there was an era of higher oxygen content in the earth's history. However the Bible does not definitively assert this.
I am still looking for more statements from Scripture that go along with the statements about greater longevity in the pre-Flood world.
Job is post-flood, but gives a picture of the world immediately after the flood, and may even contain ideas derived from recollections of pre-flood patriarchs (possibly the sons of Noah) still living in the time of Job.

 

[FallingWaters]

I am working on a book describing and illustrating the World before the Flood.
I need some help. As I picture it, that world was more lush and verdant, with more species of animals, most of which were more robust and larger, as is evidenced by the fossil record.
Deer were larger, dragonflies were larger, etc.

The fossil evidence supports the idea of a more vibrant world.

I can think of ONE biblical evidence that confirms this:
The record of extreme longevity in the pre-flood patriarchs.

THE QUESTION OF THIS THREAD: What other biblical evidences, inferences, proof texts, quotations can be suggested to support the idea that the world was more lush and animals more vigorous?

What about when the spies came back with those gigantic grapes?
The single cluster was so heavy it was carried on a pole between two people!

Num 13:23 ESV
23 And they came to the Valley of Eshcol and cut down from there a branch with a single cluster of grapes, and they carried it on a pole between two of them; they also brought some pomegranates and figs.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I am working on a book describing and illustrating the World before the Flood.
I need some help. As I picture it, that world was more lush and verdant, with more species of animals, most of which were more robust and larger, as is evidenced by the fossil record.
Deer were larger, dragonflies were larger, etc.

The fossil evidence supports the idea of a more vibrant world.

I can think of ONE biblical evidence that confirms this:
The record of extreme longevity in the pre-flood patriarchs.

THE QUESTION OF THIS THREAD: What other biblical evidences, inferences, proof texts, quotations can be suggested to support the idea that the world was more lush and animals more vigorous?

If you are able to hear it, then hear it. Before the Flood the atmosphere was different, Had more oxygen, less radiation from the sun, Carbon 14 was also different then it is today, this is why all the readings of age of things TODAY are wrong, because they would only be accurate, if we had the same air that we do today, even the same back then, But it wasn't, it was Totally different.

Before the Flood, there was a mile thick layer of water between atmosphere and Space, Where the ozone is today. Before the flood the ozone layer was water, until which point that water rained upon the Earth for 40 days, this then depleting the layer of water.
Before the Flood, Everything lived longer, after the flood, because the atmosphere was changed so dramatically, Everything did not live as long.

Scriptural proof of this layer of water can be found here:

Gen:1:6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, ( let there be ground inbetween the water under and the water above, the midst ) and let it divide the waters from the waters. ( Water, then land/air then water) 7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. ( So then the land is inbetween the waters ) 8: And God called the firmament Heaven. ( Heaven is the area where land and air was ) And the evening and the morning were the second day.

If you can hear, then hear it

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
^i^

 

[Floodnut]

If you are able to hear it, then hear it. Before the Flood the atmosphere was different, Had more oxygen, less radiation from the sun, Carbon 14 was also different then it is today, this is why all the readings of age of things TODAY are wrong, because they would only be accurate, if we had the same air that we do today, even the same back then, But it wasn't, it was Totally different.

Before the Flood, there was a mile thick layer of water between atmosphere and Space, Where the ozone is today. Before the flood the ozone layer was water, until which point that water rained upon the Earth for 40 days, this then depleting the layer of water.
Before the Flood, Everything lived longer, after the flood, because the atmosphere was changed so dramatically, Everything did not live as long.

Scriptural proof of this layer of water can be found here:

Gen:1:6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, ( let there be ground inbetween the water under and the water above, the midst ) and let it divide the waters from the waters. ( Water, then land/air then water) 7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. ( So then the land is inbetween the waters ) 8: And God called the firmament Heaven. ( Heaven is the area where land and air was ) And the evening and the morning were the second day.

If you can hear, then hear it

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
DiscipleDave
^i^

Thanks Dave. I don't think that Genesis 1 says that it was one mile thick. Which word there tells us how thick it was? And Firmament is the Hebrew word RAQIA which means space or sky, and it can refer to the place where the birds fly as well as to the place where the stars are located. It does not mean solid ground. Ground is the word ADAMAH or Erets, and dry is Yabbashah.

Firmament in the verse you quoted is called the HEAVENS by God himself. Raqia = Hashamayim. The expanse is the heavens (and there are two usages here in chapter one for the heavens. The one is the atmospheric heavens where the birds fly and the other is the heavens where the stars and planets are located.

I have already stated that it is clear that HUMANS lived longer. The fossils show that animals were bigger and healthier. BUT the question is where does the Bible declare that animals were bigger and more vigorous?